Suggs reportedly had a bad workout with the Raptors

[disoblige]

Nurse probably think Sugg isnt coachable.

[douggood]

put some respect on his name

honestly was a breakout reporter this cycle, i have notifications turned on for him now; got my respect.

In his reddit AMA, the guy also said his belief was that OKC was trying to move up to 4 to take Barnes. In hindsight I'm inclined to put some stock in that

I think that actual NBA people might not have had Suggs as the consensus 4 guy to the level the media did - might also explain why the 'top 4' talk seemed to gradually turn into a top 3 focus in the weeks before the draft as talks and leaks kept circulating.

KOC said the same thing, thunder wanted barnes at 4 and that magic were happy with either suggs or barnes.

[Parataxis]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

Ah, the troll is back.

Bud, they've been following Barnes since he was 16/17. Likely same with Suggs. They are not basing this decision on a "singular bad workout".

Alternate Universe Pooh, had the Raptors chosen Suggs:

"We've seen how oblivious to facts this management team has been since Kawahi left, so it's not a surprise that they ignored a bad workout and drafted a worse prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore what he does in front of you because you get enamored by internet and media hype"

Some people are just never going to be happy, and are always looking for ways to complain.

[HiJiNX]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

With all due respect, please give our front office more credit than what you are giving them. You don’t think these guys have watched every minute of game footage that exists for these guys?? They ain’t going off YouTube highlights like fans.

[newsletter]

Rather than Suggs workout being bad, perhaps it was fine and they just liked Barnes more.

[will]

Scottie Barnes.
Lets get this, son!

[ItsDanger]

Could have been intentional. Or maybe his ego has gotten the best of him.

[Pooh_Jeter]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

It could also be said that those enamored with Suggs (myself included) are shortsighted since they see him being better right away. But down the road we don’t have patience to watch a guy like Barnes develop and go through ups and downs.

Suggs has a higher floor for sure, but I don’t see how it could be debated that Barnes doesn’t have a much higher ceiling.

Masai took a chance on a guy that could bust, but could also turn out to be pretty special over a guy who’s guaranteed to be decent and turn out to just be good. I don’t see Suggs becoming a top 15ish player. I do with Barnes if he reaches his potential. That’s the opposite of shortsighted.

Look at the state of the league and how the game has evolved offensively. Shot creation is by far the most important skill you can have if you want to be a star. Barnes doesn't possess anything offensively beyond some playmaking.

Suggs is getting dinged because he doesn't have a singular tool that is obviously elite, while Barnes despite having major weaknesses gets the benefit of the doubt because he is big and athletic? This is draft bust 101, getting enamored with the physical profile and not the guy who has no discernible weakness to his game and has done it all on the court.

Masai is still caught up in his Giannis dream and Barnes developing into that is the only way he becomes a top 15 guy. That ceiling simply isn't realistic. Suggs from day one is a positive contributor and he has plenty of room to grow and get better. This is why it's a short sighted move.

[Pooh_Jeter]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

With all due respect, please give our front office more credit than what you are giving them. You don’t think these guys have watched every minute of game footage that exists for these guys?? They ain’t going off YouTube highlights like fans.

Since Kawhi left what positive moves have they made? If Danny Ainge can't get the benefit of the doubt despite having Tatum/Brown why should they?

[Rebel INS]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

With all due respect, please give our front office more credit than what you are giving them. You don’t think these guys have watched every minute of game footage that exists for these guys?? They ain’t going off YouTube highlights like fans.

lol scouting isn't a 2 month exercise between the lottery and the draft. (good) NBA teams are scouting top highschool prospects from their senior year, if not earlier (which both Suggs and Barnes were). Realgm posters are watching ballislife highschool mixes of 16 year olds, but we don't think NBA teams don't start building files on guys years in advance

I would be shocked if Barnes wasn't on the raps radar well over a year ago, and if they weren't already evaluating Suggs as a prospect throughout the entire ncaa season

They might be right they might be wrong, but to think they are so incompetent that they just looked at how high a guy jumps and how long his arms are and made a call based off that is kinda arrogant for fans to assume imo. There probably are nba front offices who are that incompetent, but you don't need to think Masai and his staff are infallible to believe they don't fall in that tier

[SFour]

A single workout shouldnt be the defining factoring in picking a player….there’s more to it….Bobby yesterday said how theyve been following Barnes for many years now….NBA front offices have been following most of these players for many years while most fans have only been following for a couple months

[bon]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

It could also be said that those enamored with Suggs (myself included) are shortsighted since they see him being better right away. But down the road we don’t have patience to watch a guy like Barnes develop and go through ups and downs.

Suggs has a higher floor for sure, but I don’t see how it could be debated that Barnes doesn’t have a much higher ceiling.

Masai took a chance on a guy that could bust, but could also turn out to be pretty special over a guy who’s guaranteed to be decent and turn out to just be good. I don’t see Suggs becoming a top 15ish player. I do with Barnes if he reaches his potential. That’s the opposite of shortsighted.

Look at the state of the league and how the game has evolved offensively. Shot creation is by far the most important skill you can have if you want to be a star. Barnes doesn't possess anything offensively beyond some playmaking.

Suggs is getting dinged because he doesn't have a singular tool that is obviously elite, while Barnes despite having major weaknesses gets the benefit of the doubt because he is big and athletic? This is draft bust 101, getting enamored with the physical profile and not the guy who has no discernible weakness to his game and has done it all on the court.

Masai is still caught up in his Giannis dream and Barnes developing into that is the only way he becomes a top 15 guy. That ceiling simply isn't realistic. Suggs from day one is a positive contributor and he has plenty of room to grow and get better. This is why it's a short sighted move.

Drafting the guy who is less polished with the hopes of developing over the course of a few years is the polar opposite of a "short sighted" move.

Another day, another clown take by Pooh.

[HiJiNX]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

With all due respect, please give our front office more credit than what you are giving them. You don’t think these guys have watched every minute of game footage that exists for these guys?? They ain’t going off YouTube highlights like fans.

Since Kawhi left what positive moves have they made? If Danny Ainge can't get the benefit of the doubt despite having Tatum/Brown why should they?

You posited that Raptors front office ignored game tape and became enamoured with Barnes’ physical attributes, which is likely a very inaccurate assumption.

Ain’t nobody talking bout Danny Ainge.

[Syd-TK3]

Going to a workout and purposely being bad makes zero sense I hardly doubt suggs didn't want to be here

[ItsDanger]

Bad workout = don't draft me. These days agents are very smooth. When was the last time a player didn't want to go somewhere (near top of draft)? Can't remember? They have other methods now.

[Danny1616]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

It could also be said that those enamored with Suggs (myself included) are shortsighted since they see him being better right away. But down the road we don’t have patience to watch a guy like Barnes develop and go through ups and downs.

Suggs has a higher floor for sure, but I don’t see how it could be debated that Barnes doesn’t have a much higher ceiling.

Masai took a chance on a guy that could bust, but could also turn out to be pretty special over a guy who’s guaranteed to be decent and turn out to just be good. I don’t see Suggs becoming a top 15ish player. I do with Barnes if he reaches his potential. That’s the opposite of shortsighted.

Look at the state of the league and how the game has evolved offensively. Shot creation is by far the most important skill you can have if you want to be a star. Barnes doesn't possess anything offensively beyond some playmaking.

Suggs is getting dinged because he doesn't have a singular tool that is obviously elite, while Barnes despite having major weaknesses gets the benefit of the doubt because he is big and athletic? This is draft bust 101, getting enamored with the physical profile and not the guy who has no discernible weakness to his game and has done it all on the court.

Masai is still caught up in his Giannis dream and Barnes developing into that is the only way he becomes a top 15 guy. That ceiling simply isn't realistic. Suggs from day one is a positive contributor and he has plenty of room to grow and get better. This is why it's a short sighted move.

Maybe Masai didn't think that Suggs or Kaminga were better than Barnes?

Who is to say that Suggs or Kaminga will become premier shot creators?

[Danny1616]

We have seen how short sighted this management team has been since Kawhi left so it's not a surprise that a singular bad workout played a part in them passing on a much better prospect. It's incredible how you can ignore the obvious game tape because you get enamored by some length and athleticism.

Did you watch every single Gonzaga game and every single Florida St. game this year in order to come to your conclusion?

Not saying you are wrong, but just wondering because you said you can't ignore obvious game tape.

[Pooh_Jeter]

It could also be said that those enamored with Suggs (myself included) are shortsighted since they see him being better right away. But down the road we don’t have patience to watch a guy like Barnes develop and go through ups and downs.

Suggs has a higher floor for sure, but I don’t see how it could be debated that Barnes doesn’t have a much higher ceiling.

Masai took a chance on a guy that could bust, but could also turn out to be pretty special over a guy who’s guaranteed to be decent and turn out to just be good. I don’t see Suggs becoming a top 15ish player. I do with Barnes if he reaches his potential. That’s the opposite of shortsighted.

Look at the state of the league and how the game has evolved offensively. Shot creation is by far the most important skill you can have if you want to be a star. Barnes doesn't possess anything offensively beyond some playmaking.

Suggs is getting dinged because he doesn't have a singular tool that is obviously elite, while Barnes despite having major weaknesses gets the benefit of the doubt because he is big and athletic? This is draft bust 101, getting enamored with the physical profile and not the guy who has no discernible weakness to his game and has done it all on the court.

Masai is still caught up in his Giannis dream and Barnes developing into that is the only way he becomes a top 15 guy. That ceiling simply isn't realistic. Suggs from day one is a positive contributor and he has plenty of room to grow and get better. This is why it's a short sighted move.

Drafting the guy who is less polished with the hopes of developing over the course of a few years is the polar opposite of a "short sighted" move.

Another day, another clown take by Pooh.

So it would be short sighted to take Cade over Barnes?

[Chandan]

i remember Suggs during an interview said he always wanted to stand on a table and celebrate like Wade or Lebron. And he did that after draining the famous game-winner. He had personal glory in mind and wasn't going to give that shot up no matter what. Some might like it but I didn't think he was at the level to warrant that kind of ego just yet.

Also he said something along the lines of now that he's giving up football and concentrating on basketball, it's scary to think how good a player he can become.

Quotes like that show that he has quite a large ego and basketball was never really his first priority, and it did honestly peeved me. Even though I understand it in no way shape or form makes him a lesser basketball player. Given equal talent, I would enjoy watching someone who has the love for the game and tries to be a team player that plays the right way.

[hype_2004]

A single workout shouldnt be the defining factoring in picking a player….there’s more to it….Bobby yesterday said how theyve been following Barnes for many years now….NBA front offices have been following most of these players for many years while most fans have only been following for a couple months

I trust an NBA scouts analytical input over someone that lives in their mothers basement while watching YouTube videos of prospects.