Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft

Mob Byers · Post #21 » by **Mob Byers** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:19 am

Mylie10 wrote:
Mob Byers wrote:
Coxy wrote:JK looks super nervous in that interview. Seems like a pretty humble sort of kid, which is a HUGE tick in the box for me.

I think he's still working on his English a bit too

Let's see if he puts in the work!

He went to high school in the states

Okay that's fine but in about 4 or 5 of his interviews I've noticed he doesn't quite understand some questions.

There's nothing wrong with it I just mentioned it bc I figured that's also a reason why he seems/looks a bit nervous and shy.

HiRez · Post #22 » by **HiRez** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:22 am

GMstatus wrote:JK reminds me of Mikael Pietrus.

He's the Congolese LeBron James!

azwfan · Post #23 » by **azwfan** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:29 am

Kuminga went by himself to dinner with Bob and company and he speaks more than 1 language. Apparently Kuminga's representation knows how to give Bob a Kevin... we're not trading this one.

Zvaart · Post #24 » by **Zvaart** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:30 am

Coxy wrote:I give this thread an A+

This post is A+ material also

SF_Warriors · Post #25 » by **SF_Warriors** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:55 am

Kinda reminds me of dare I say, iguodala?

FloydWarrior · Post #26 » by **FloydWarrior** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:47 am

Saying the right things, with good work ethic we got ourselves a beast in the making.

As to the language, another reason to pick up Nicolas Batum in free agency -> french connection for those "lost in translation" moments 8-)

lars_rosenberg · Post #27 » by **lars_rosenberg** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:18 pm

SF_Warriors wrote:Kinda reminds me of dare I say, iguodala?

Iguodala has supreme BBIQ, I don't know if Kuminga can get there. He seems to be a good passer though, so he has some playmaking potential. He may end up as a mix of Andre and Dray.

Nate the Great · Post #28 » by **Nate the Great** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:22 pm

I think he needs some more time in G league. The long term potential is there, but the timing doesn’t make sense. One would think the Warriors would have been looking for players who could help them this year.

Quazza · Post #29 » by **Quazza** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm

Watching videos hes constantly reminded me of someone but i couldn't quite place it. Finally clicked ...

Danny Granger (pre injury )

Mylie10 · Post #30 » by **Mylie10** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 pm

I think he will spend most of not all the time in the G league. But the g league schedule is not super long, so he will have sometime in real games as well. Just wouldn’t count on him being a rotation piece at all.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #31 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:44 pm

I don't really remember any top 10 picks spending a lot of time in the g-league. I don't see why he can't play 15-20 mpg with the big club, the regular season is meaningless (assuming we have no problem staying in the top 6).

GSWFan1994 · Post #32 » by **GSWFan1994** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:34 pm

FNQ wrote:Just heard something interesting - if Kuminga went to college, where they presumably would be more organized, have veterans on court, and play more offensive/defensive sets, he would have looked better, and probably been a guaranteed top 5 pick

No doubt about it. He was considered as the top pick in some mocks in the beginning of the season.

Think about it: Kuminga reclassified. He was a high school senior playing with pros this season.

Kuminga's gonna be amazing in 2-3 years. His potential is through the roof, and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and, most importantly, seems like a humble person to me.

This combination will take him far in life.

Scoots1994 · Post #33 » by **Scoots1994** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Mylie10 wrote:I think he will spend most of not all the time in the G league. But the g league schedule is not super long, so he will have sometime in real games as well. Just wouldn’t count on him being a rotation piece at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got some PT ... it's all about this off-season and how quick he learns and what he shows in SL, TC, and PS.

ChuckDurn · Post #34 » by **ChuckDurn** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:52 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:I think he will spend most of not all the time in the G league. But the g league schedule is not super long, so he will have sometime in real games as well. Just wouldn’t count on him being a rotation piece at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got some PT ... it's all about this off-season and how quick he learns and what he shows in SL, TC, and PS.

My guess is that they’re going to look at him as a long-term project who they handle very differently than they did Wiseman. (And FWIW, I think they’ll change the approach with Wiseman to be similar to what they’ll now do with Kuminga.)

Last year with Wiseman, they basically said “we’re not going to be a contender, and we want you to experiment by trying to do everything (primarily on offense, but somewhat on defense as well)”. Not focused on any specific area.

I think with Kuminga (and now with Wiseman), they’re going to take the approach of saying “in 2023-24, we want you to be able to do everything. But for 2021-22, we’re going to have you only focus on these 2-3 things on offense, and 2-3 things on defense. We want you to master those, and we’re going to use you in those roles (and not much else) this season. In 2022-23, we’re going to add 2-3 things on each side of the ball, and you’ll get more time, but you still won’t be fully optimized. But we want you to master those, and to know when to use those skills / moves, as opposed to what you learned last year. And in 2023-24, you’re going to get the rest of the package, and we expect you to be operating at the role of a very productive, net-positive starter.”

Having 3 really experienced player development coaches, whose experience Kerr will clearly respect, will probably help them to keep the focus this way. But net-net, I can easily see Kuminga getting some limited run this year with the big club, though I would expect him to spend a lot of time in Santa Cruz really focusing on a small number of skills.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #35 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:18 pm

HiRez wrote:
GMstatus wrote:JK reminds me of Mikael Pietrus.

He's the Congolese LeBron James!

King Congo™

He should buy KingCongo.com. it's only 6k.

thunderdunk · Post #36 » by **thunderdunk** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:37 pm

I sure hope that my initial reaction to this kid proves to be wrong. He's a "raw talent" that shoots 24% from 3 and 62% from the line. Teams already sag off Draymond, hoping that he'll shoot from outside, and Draymond shoots WAY better than this kid. If the plan is to keep him, they have to be praying that he learns how to shoot in the future and that he'll be a big contributor in 2-3 years. Not exactly what the Dubs need now. Maybe they're planning to package him in a deal that brings in someone else later this year, but otherwise, he's a project who will not help them at all this next season. Are the Dubs just conceding the West to the Lakers and Clippers again? Sure looks like it.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #37 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:44 pm

thunderdunk wrote:I sure hope that my initial reaction to this kid proves to be wrong. He's a "raw talent" that shoots 24% from 3 and 62% from the line. Teams already sag off Draymond, hoping that he'll shoot from outside, and Draymond shoots WAY better than this kid. If the plan is to keep him, they have to be praying that he learns how to shoot in the future and that he'll be a big contributor in 2-3 years. Not exactly what the Dubs need now. Maybe they're planning to package him in a deal that brings in someone else later this year, but otherwise, he's a project who will not help them at all this next season. Are the Dubs just conceding the West to the Lakers and Clippers again? Sure looks like it.

His shooting form looks good, he just chucked a lot in the g-league bubble. Everyone did. They didn't even run plays, just concepts. It was garbage basketball.

Scoots1994 · Post #38 » by **Scoots1994** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:45 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:I think he will spend most of not all the time in the G league. But the g league schedule is not super long, so he will have sometime in real games as well. Just wouldn’t count on him being a rotation piece at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got some PT ... it's all about this off-season and how quick he learns and what he shows in SL, TC, and PS.

My guess is that they’re going to look at him as a long-term project who they handle very differently than they did Wiseman. (And FWIW, I think they’ll change the approach with Wiseman to be similar to what they’ll now do with Kuminga.)

Last year with Wiseman, they basically said “we’re not going to be a contender, and we want you to experiment by trying to do everything (primarily on offense, but somewhat on defense as well)”. Not focused on any specific area.

I think with Kuminga (and now with Wiseman), they’re going to take the approach of saying “in 2023-24, we want you to be able to do everything. But for 2021-22, we’re going to have you only focus on these 2-3 things on offense, and 2-3 things on defense. We want you to master those, and we’re going to use you in those roles (and not much else) this season. In 2022-23, we’re going to add 2-3 things on each side of the ball, and you’ll get more time, but you still won’t be fully optimized. But we want you to master those, and to know when to use those skills / moves, as opposed to what you learned last year. And in 2023-24, you’re going to get the rest of the package, and we expect you to be operating at the role of a very productive, net-positive starter.”

Having 3 really experienced player development coaches, whose experience Kerr will clearly respect, will probably help them to keep the focus this way. But net-net, I can easily see Kuminga getting some limited run this year with the big club, though I would expect him to spend a lot of time in Santa Cruz really focusing on a small number of skills.

I think they will run them depending on what they are ready to do. I didn't want Wiseman to start last year, but Chriss struggling then getting hurt sort of locked Wiseman in to that starting role for a while.

Everyone needs to earn their time, but the plan should be to teach as much as possible to all the younger guys on the team and get them the PT they earn.

Scoots1994 · Post #39 » by **Scoots1994** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:46 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
thunderdunk wrote:I sure hope that my initial reaction to this kid proves to be wrong. He's a "raw talent" that shoots 24% from 3 and 62% from the line. Teams already sag off Draymond, hoping that he'll shoot from outside, and Draymond shoots WAY better than this kid. If the plan is to keep him, they have to be praying that he learns how to shoot in the future and that he'll be a big contributor in 2-3 years. Not exactly what the Dubs need now. Maybe they're planning to package him in a deal that brings in someone else later this year, but otherwise, he's a project who will not help them at all this next season. Are the Dubs just conceding the West to the Lakers and Clippers again? Sure looks like it.

His shooting form looks good, he just chucked a lot in the g-league bubble. Everyone did. They didn't even run plays, just concepts. It was garbage basketball.

When the NBA announced that they were going to take high school players in the GL I wondered how they would handle developing those players for the draft and the answer was ... they didn't. It essentially became an all-star game type of system and there was very little real teaching.

Mob Byers · Post #40 » by **Mob Byers** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:50 pm

thunderdunk wrote:I sure hope that my initial reaction to this kid proves to be wrong. He's a "raw talent" that shoots 24% from 3 and 62% from the line. Teams already sag off Draymond, hoping that he'll shoot from outside, and Draymond shoots WAY better than this kid. If the plan is to keep him, they have to be praying that he learns how to shoot in the future and that he'll be a big contributor in 2-3 years. Not exactly what the Dubs need now. Maybe they're planning to package him in a deal that brings in someone else later this year, but otherwise, he's a project who will not help them at all this next season. Are the Dubs just conceding the West to the Lakers and Clippers again? Sure looks like it.

Wouldn't look too much into his percentages. Obviously you'd like to see that FT% up a bit more but it was what? 13 games? On a team that was kind of a free for all. I think with some structure and better shot selection that will come with the structure, he should show improvements there. Too small a sample size to say for sure.

Only team I'd worry about is the Suns if they run it back. West is wide open otherwise and we are adding Klay, Kuminga, and Moody. Plus free agency. KL is out for the year so not worried about LAC, especially if we can snag Batum from them. LBJ-Westbrook-AD need to stay healthy. We'll see what they do in free agency as well.

Just think you are overreacting a bit much.