2021 Draft

[RunDogGun]

I would rather have a rookie and Carter than a taller version of Galloway, who we failed to use for his scoring and shooting throughout the year.

[RunDogGun]

Best time for us to draft a player is when we have a great culture. We have a great culture, and decide to skip this draft to get a guy that is a taller version of Galloway?

And next year's draft as well too.
So next season if we don't extend Shamets' qualifying offer, Then we just basically dumped
Carter and a (cost controlled asset) pick for 5 million in savings? How would the trade be viewed then with reduced depth and no incoming young cost controlled talent ( depth) to surround our expensive core. Would we have not shot ourselves in the foot and basically taken a step back in interest of Sarvers' bottom line?

I still think this was a Monty/Jones trade than a Sarver trade. If it was a Sarver move to save money, just re-sign Galloway at half the cost of Shamet.

[sunsbg]

People on this board still questioning Jones and would prefer McDonough type of deals after a finals appearance ?

You really believe Javon, who I liked in the bubble, or the 29th pick will put 30pts in a game any time soon ?

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[WeekapaugGroove]

People on this board still questioning Jones and would prefer McDonough type of deals after a finals appearance ?

You really believe Javon, who I liked in the bubble, or the 29th pick will put 30pts in a game any time soon ?

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It's fine to question Jones and no GM ever hits on every move. But I think some is just a group of posters who basically hate everything, it's just kind of their thing. That too is fine because the board would be boring if it was all sunshine and roses.

With any move before we see them on the floor you can find paths that the move would work and paths where it fails. Neither side is wrong until it actually plays out.

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[RunDogGun]

"hate everything" Damn guys, if you are going to make stuff up to argue for trading for a taller version of something we can have for half the cost, then so be it. But looking at the stats, Shamet doesn't give us anything Galloway didn't already provide, besides Monty's faith. It was a waste of a draft pick. A draft pick is a controlled contract for almost four years. We have shooters.

Who's minutes is Shamet going to take? He isn't a passer, averaging 1.6 for his career. He shoots ok, but nothing great. He isn't a good defender, so he becomes a switch away from a liability on defense.

Now I sure hope I am wrong, and Shamet all of a sudden becomes a ten times better player than both Carter and the #29 pick, but as of now, and in reality, I just don't see this happening.

Damn, I am still laughing at the insult to posters, as if this trade is a no brainer. I really love the analogy of someone saying they don't like Sprite, and someone saying,"well I guess you prefer drinking out of the toilet." The jumping to conclusions without even bothering to put up a factual argument (and no, one game of scoring is not a good argument). Side argument, Galloway had 17 pts in a quarter this past season.

The Nets had 3 second rounders, and we couldn't get one of them?

[sunsbg]

"hate everything" Damn guys, if you are going to make stuff up to argue for trading for a taller version of something we can have for half the cost, then so be it. But looking at the stats, Shamet doesn't give us anything Galloway didn't already provide, besides Monty's faith. It was a waste of a draft pick. A draft pick is a controlled contract for almost four years. We have shooters.

Who's minutes is Shamet going to take? He isn't a passer, averaging 1.6 for his career. He shoots ok, but nothing great. He isn't a good defender, so he becomes a switch away from a liability on defense.

Now I sure hope I am wrong, and Shamet all of a sudden becomes a ten times better player than both Carter and the #29 pick, but as of now, and in reality, I just don't see this happening.

Damn, I am still laughing at the insult to posters, as if this trade is a no brainer.

You are the one making up stuff. When was the last time Galloway scored 30pts ? Second rounders. LOL. That's why I mentioned McD type of deals. The team is a contender for the championship. Shamet is a 40% 3PT shooter, who can get you out of a scoring slump the Suns had in the playoffs. Carter/29th pick will not see any playing time in the playoffs. It's that simple.

[Ghost of Kleine]

This is more a James Jones/Monty move than a Sarver one to me. Monty coached Shamet in Philly. We got off a bad contract a year early, we got the best player in the trade, and opened up a roster spot for an additional FA signing who would probably be better than Pick 29 anyway. This makes basketball sense, not just $ sense, unlike say, shipping out Kurt Thomas for nothing, or trading away the 7th pick when we could have drafted Iguoadala.

Again, I do get the need for upgraded shooting and the basketball side of this. But if they don't extend the qualifying offer and Shamet becomes a 1 yr rental, Then does this not become a financially motivated trade? And then would it still be deemed a good trade?

At that point, We have basically given up Carter ( depth), Our pick ( cost controlled depth), And Shamet ( 3rd guard option)?? So wouldn't our depth then be much thinner with 3 spots being discarded for around 5 million in potential savings? So for me, I see the basketball side of this for the moment. But will look at next season's contractual commitments as a more accurate barometer of the motivation for this trade.

Keep in mind we shipped out 2 for 1, if one of those additional roster spots allows us to re-sign or add someone we otherwise couldn't have, and we get deeper overall, then we are in good shape going forward. Think of it this way, who would you rather have Carter and a rookie who won't play outside of garbage time, or Shamet and Abdel Nader?

I'm getting on board with the idea of Shamet, But this trades' overall determination ( for me at least) will be predicated upon who we add in the spot of whatever cost controlled rookie scale two way payer that we basically gave away. I look at it like this............

1- Shamet for Carter ( 1 for 1 trade) I can be cool with, As Shamets' an upgrade offensively. Although he's apparently a really below average defender. So to me a wash aside from the shooting, But we'll see. Now IF we don't extend his 5 million qualifying option next season, Then this obviously just became a salary dump of Carters' contract using a draft pick to get the deal done. Because we were looking to get off of Carter's 3rd year. But again, I'll reserve judgement until I see what they choose to do with Shamets' option.

2- Was adding our only pick ( cost controlled asset) really necessary??? It's important to remember that Brooklyn was already a hard capped team, And THEY themselves were looking to offload Shamet's salary. This is because of the fact that all three of Harden, Irving, and Durant are coming due for their super max extensions, At an absurd cost of over 500 million!! They were the ones' desperate to offload salary, So why did we need to add further incentive? Swapping Carters' salary for Shamets' would've shaved two million off their tax line, But acquiring our late first equates right back to around 5 million when combined. So essentially the monetary savings is a wash. On top of that, They already had multiple 2nds with which to fill out their roster with cheaper contracts, It's not like they couldn't have balanced out the trade by sending us back at least one mid to late 2nd obviously! So depending on Shamets' production/impact this upcoming season, And IF we keep him instead of him being a 1 yr rental will determine if this trade was a win or a loss for us? Yes, He's a better shooter, But what will our already suspect back court and perimeter defense look like now? Will his offense make up for whatever he gives up defensively? Just alot of "ifs" still. So we'll have to wait to see how this turns out!

3- One of the big reasons we got beaten so badly by the bucks was our defense, And not just size in the post ( although lack of size, rebounding, and rim protection were also huge factors) but in the back court Jrue was killing both Paul and especially Booker with his size and physicality. to the point of us needing to try and put Bridges on him at times. It's no big secret that we need to get bigger, stronger and more athletic. There were plenty of low cost defensive specialist options with play making ability that we still could've acquired had we not surrendered our pick in this trade or at the very least gotten a later 2nd back in return. I'm talking guards with size ( 6'5) That had still had very good shooting metrics, But were also established strong defenders as well. And they'd have been rookie scale for the next three years( cost control). At worst, With minimal cost, We could've stashed them in the G league for more development If needed. And still resigned Nader or Craig, As neither(Nader or Craig ) really constitute two way contract players on our roster for their salaries. In the end we added more shooting off the bench, But got worse defensively in our back court. So it depends upon how we rectify this additional issue in free agency that again will determine ( at least for me personally) the perception of this trade. If Shamet doesn't show out and move the needle for u, AND we don't keep him ( one year rental) then to me it clearly becomes a salary dump and a further loss of positional depth and another cost controlled asset, When our cap constraints will be further strained going forward. Next season will tell the tale for this.

[WeekapaugGroove]

"hate everything" Damn guys, if you are going to make stuff up to argue for trading for a taller version of something we can have for half the cost, then so be it. But looking at the stats, Shamet doesn't give us anything Galloway didn't already provide, besides Monty's faith. It was a waste of a draft pick. A draft pick is a controlled contract for almost four years. We have shooters.

Who's minutes is Shamet going to take? He isn't a passer, averaging 1.6 for his career. He shoots ok, but nothing great. He isn't a good defender, so he becomes a switch away from a liability on defense.

Now I sure hope I am wrong, and Shamet all of a sudden becomes a ten times better player than both Carter and the #29 pick, but as of now, and in reality, I just don't see this happening.

Damn, I am still laughing at the insult to posters, as if this trade is a no brainer. I really love the analogy of someone saying they don't like Sprite, and someone saying,"well I guess you prefer drinking out of the toilet." The jumping to conclusions without even bothering to put up a factual argument (and no, one game of scoring is not a good argument). Side argument, Galloway had 17 pts in a quarter this past season.

The Nets had 3 second rounders, and we couldn't get one of them?

I wasn't trying to bash you and hell you don't stand out as someone I think always hits the glass half empty slant. But it's absolutely a thing on these boards, every fan base has a group that bash everything.

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[RunDogGun]

"hate everything" Damn guys, if you are going to make stuff up to argue for trading for a taller version of something we can have for half the cost, then so be it. But looking at the stats, Shamet doesn't give us anything Galloway didn't already provide, besides Monty's faith. It was a waste of a draft pick. A draft pick is a controlled contract for almost four years. We have shooters.

Who's minutes is Shamet going to take? He isn't a passer, averaging 1.6 for his career. He shoots ok, but nothing great. He isn't a good defender, so he becomes a switch away from a liability on defense.

Now I sure hope I am wrong, and Shamet all of a sudden becomes a ten times better player than both Carter and the #29 pick, but as of now, and in reality, I just don't see this happening.

Damn, I am still laughing at the insult to posters, as if this trade is a no brainer.

You are the one making up stuff. When was the last time Galloway scored 30pts ? Second rounders. LOL. That's why I mentioned McD type of deals. The team is a contender for the championship. Shamet is a 40% 3PT shooter, who can get you out of a scoring slump the Suns had in the playoffs. Carter/29th pick will not see any playing time in the playoffs. It's that simple.

Making stuff up? Like your ridiculous McD comment? It was a bad trade. We gave up a first round pick for something we already could get for a vet min contract.
Johnson was shooting 45% from three for the whole playoffs, and often couldn't get more than 20 minutes a game. And Johnson has become a good defender, and topped our team in deflections. Shamet doesn't give us anything we already have/had at half the cost. Galloway was shooting 45% from three for most of the season, and scored 17 points in one quarter.

So who is losing minutes, to add this incredible player Shamet?

[RunDogGun]

I wasn't trying to bash you and hell you don't stand out as someone I think always hits the glass half empty slant. But it's absolutely a thing on these boards, every fan base has a group that bash everything.

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I didn't take it as a bash, but to quote a poster using one game as a mic drop, when others have used actual stats, and seasons as their data, and then claim that some just "hate" everything, seemed rather silly.

As far as the facts go, Shamet doesn't give us anything Galloway didn't. We failed to use Galloway, so it would really piss me off if Monty will give more minutes to Shamet, then he did Galloway, in games where we needed points. I keep being reminded of us losing the Detroit game, because we didn't ride Galloway's 17 point second quarter.

It makes no sense to add the #29, unless we had gotten at least the early second rounder from the Nets.

So who's minutes is Shamet going to take?

[sunsbg]

"hate everything" Damn guys, if you are going to make stuff up to argue for trading for a taller version of something we can have for half the cost, then so be it. But looking at the stats, Shamet doesn't give us anything Galloway didn't already provide, besides Monty's faith. It was a waste of a draft pick. A draft pick is a controlled contract for almost four years. We have shooters.

Who's minutes is Shamet going to take? He isn't a passer, averaging 1.6 for his career. He shoots ok, but nothing great. He isn't a good defender, so he becomes a switch away from a liability on defense.

Now I sure hope I am wrong, and Shamet all of a sudden becomes a ten times better player than both Carter and the #29 pick, but as of now, and in reality, I just don't see this happening.

Damn, I am still laughing at the insult to posters, as if this trade is a no brainer.

You are the one making up stuff. When was the last time Galloway scored 30pts ? Second rounders. LOL. That's why I mentioned McD type of deals. The team is a contender for the championship. Shamet is a 40% 3PT shooter, who can get you out of a scoring slump the Suns had in the playoffs. Carter/29th pick will not see any playing time in the playoffs. It's that simple.

Making stuff up? Like your ridiculous McD comment? It was a bad trade. We gave up a first round pick for something we already could get for a vet min contract.
Johnson was shooting 45% from three for the whole playoffs, and often couldn't get more than 20 minutes a game. And Johnson has become a good defender, and topped our team in deflections. Shamet doesn't give us anything we already have/had at half the cost. Galloway was shooting 45% from three for most of the season, and scored 17 points in one quarter.

So who is losing minutes, to add this incredible player Shamet?

Not worth arguing with you as it's obvious you can't make a difference between a 19win team and a contender.

[RunDogGun]

Not worth arguing with you as it's obvious you can't make a difference between a 19win team and a contender.

You have no argument, so it makes sense that you can't even answer a single question I asked you. Galloway had a 17 pt quarter this year, and Monty played him only 2:50 the rest of the game. So your comment about Shamet scoring 30 in a game, is easily matched by Galloway's 17 point quarter.

Shamet is not an upgrade, and in no way justifies throwing in the #29. Now if we had gotten one of the first second rounders the Nets had, that might make some sense.

And Jones is far from perfect. He completely blew getting a defensive replacement big at the trade deadline, and it cost us the finals.

[sunsbg]

Not worth arguing with you as it's obvious you can't make a difference between a 19win team and a contender.

You have no argument, so it makes sense that you can't even answer a single question I asked you. Galloway had a 17 pt quarter this year, and Monty played him only 2:50 the rest of the game. So your comment about Shamet scoring 30 in a game, is easily matched by Galloway's 17 point quarter.

Shamet is not an upgrade, and in no way justifies throwing in the #29. Now if we had gotten one of the first second rounders the Nets had, that might make some sense.

And Jones is far from perfect. He completely blew getting a defensive replacement big at the trade deadline, and it cost us the finals.

How in the world you even use Galloway as an argument when he can very well be sitting on the bench next season as well ? It's bad having a 40% 3PT shooter who will actually play compared to Carter/29th pick ? Once again we are talking about a championship contender, I hope it's clear to you by now.

[LV-Suns]

I think Shamet is way better than someone like Galloway. Galloway bought very little outside of shooting. Shamets off ball movement is borderline elite with a sweet stroke. Reminds me of a smaller Cam Johnson.

[RunDogGun]

Not worth arguing with you as it's obvious you can't make a difference between a 19win team and a contender.

You have no argument, so it makes sense that you can't even answer a single question I asked you. Galloway had a 17 pt quarter this year, and Monty played him only 2:50 the rest of the game. So your comment about Shamet scoring 30 in a game, is easily matched by Galloway's 17 point quarter.

Shamet is not an upgrade, and in no way justifies throwing in the #29. Now if we had gotten one of the first second rounders the Nets had, that might make some sense.

And Jones is far from perfect. He completely blew getting a defensive replacement big at the trade deadline, and it cost us the finals.

How in the world you even use Galloway as an argument when he can very well be sitting on the bench next season as well ? It's bad having a 40% 3PT shooter who will actually play compared to Carter/29th pick ? Once again we are talking about a championship contender, I hope it's clear to you by now.

I am using Galloway, because looking at the numbers, he provides what Shamet does. If we didn't use Galloway for his scoring, then why is Shamet such a no brainer for people like yourself? Shamet doesn't change our position for title contention. So once again, I will ask you who's minutes does Shamet take? And if he is going to sit on the bench, I would rather have a defensive specialist in Carter, and a cost controlled contract of the #29th pick, where we could have grabbed a pass first point guard, or a defensive big.

You still haven't put forth an argument for this trade, other than that Shamet has had one good game, and that he shot a lesser % from three last season than Galloway.(sorry that wasn't one of your points, just a fact you seem to keep glossing over.)

We are down grading shooting for a guy who is supposed to be a sharp shooter. So the real question is, is 3 inches, and slightly better ball handing skills, worth the #29 pick? I don't think so. And if Monty trusts a guy who shot worse than Galloway last year, more than Galloway, I think our coach has issues, and will cost us many games in the future.

[thamadkant]

Shamet is better than anyone at pick 29 and is a shoe in for the Suns system.

Jevon Carter is going to be missed him not playing rotation minutes in the playoffs was telling. He was clearly a backup to a healthy Payne. This also means Suns going all out to keep Payne.

[RunDogGun]

I think Shamet is way better than someone like Galloway. Galloway bought very little outside of shooting. Shamets off ball movement is borderline elite with a sweet stroke. Reminds me of a smaller Cam Johnson.

Without the defense though. So who's minutes does he take? And going off stats, Shamet shot worse than Galloway last year, and I can't seem to get anyone to acknowledge this fact.

It wasn't worth adding the #29 pick.

[RunDogGun]

Shamet is better than anyone at pick 29 and is a shoe in for the Suns system.

Jevon Carter is going to be missed him not playing rotation minutes in the playoffs was telling. He was clearly a backup to a healthy Payne. This also means Suns going all out to keep Payne.

We don't know if Shamet will be better than anyone at #29. We could have drafted Queta, and just re-signed Galloway, all while keeping a junkyard dog defender. And if we don't keep Payne, do you really see Shamet taking that third guard spot?

The only thing that Shamet has, is Monty's trust. I am just concerned now that Monty will give away minutes to a guy, who frankly isn't any more impressive than vet min guys we already have, and could easily retain.

[Sal85012]

You have no argument, so it makes sense that you can't even answer a single question I asked you. Galloway had a 17 pt quarter this year, and Monty played him only 2:50 the rest of the game. So your comment about Shamet scoring 30 in a game, is easily matched by Galloway's 17 point quarter.

Shamet is not an upgrade, and in no way justifies throwing in the #29. Now if we had gotten one of the first second rounders the Nets had, that might make some sense.

And Jones is far from perfect. He completely blew getting a defensive replacement big at the trade deadline, and it cost us the finals.

How in the world you even use Galloway as an argument when he can very well be sitting on the bench next season as well ? It's bad having a 40% 3PT shooter who will actually play compared to Carter/29th pick ? Once again we are talking about a championship contender, I hope it's clear to you by now.

I am using Galloway, because looking at the numbers, he provides what Shamet does. If we didn't use Galloway for his scoring, then why is Shamet such a no brainer for people like yourself? Shamet doesn't change our position for title contention. So once again, I will ask you who's minutes does Shamet take? And if he is going to sit on the bench, I would rather have a defensive specialist in Carter, and a cost controlled contract of the #29th pick, where we could have grabbed a pass first point guard, or a defensive big.

You still haven't put forth an argument for this trade, other than that Shamet has had one good game, and that he shot a lesser % from three last season than Galloway.(sorry that wasn't one of your points, just a fact you seem to keep glossing over.)

We are down grading shooting for a guy who is supposed to be a sharp shooter. So the real question is, is 3 inches, and slightly better ball handing skills, worth the #29 pick? I don't think so. And if Monty trusts a guy who shot worse than Galloway last year, more than Galloway, I think our coach has issues, and will cost us many games in the future.

Shamet is an UPGRADE. Check the advanced stats better defender and 3pt shooter, played more mins and still had a better shooting on lower usage. The 29 wasnt going to crack the rotation get over it. Ya’ll also complaining about not bringing in undrafted players We were in the finals and need players with experience to get back there, we have enough young talent now we need pieces to get us over the top. We are bringing all the core pieces from the team back now just need some vet mins to fill out the roster.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Shamet is better than anyone at pick 29 and is a shoe in for the Suns system.

Jevon Carter is going to be missed him not playing rotation minutes in the playoffs was telling. He was clearly a backup to a healthy Payne. This also means Suns going all out to keep Payne.

We don't know if Shamet will be better than anyone at #29. We could have drafted Queta, and just re-signed Galloway, all while keeping a junkyard dog defender. And if we don't keep Payne, do you really see Shamet taking that third guard spot?

The only thing that Shamet has, is Monty's trust. I am just concerned now that Monty will give away minutes to a guy, who frankly isn't any more impressive than vet min guys we already have, and could easily retain.

I simply have a higher opinion of Shamet than you, that's fine we'll see this year.

Worrying about minute breakdowns is something that happens all the time this part of the off-season but then the actual season hits and guys get hurt and it works itself out. Monty also likes to play 10 in the regular season.

Lastly I do kind of think this is Cam Payne insurance. It's a unique situation with him because anything above about 10mil a year and the suns aren't even allowed to pay that if they wanted to. So it's very possible he's gone next week. If that happens I would expect the suns to add a vet backup PG but Shamet would also get some of those minutes. Monty is very familiar with Landry so I trust he has a plan in how he's going to use him.

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