Suggs reportedly had a bad workout with the Raptors

[Pooh_Jeter]

Yeah, Draymond Green - Elite role player? Allstar and DPOY and Kerr's decision to put him at C put that team over the top. I'm not speaking as a historian, just someone that simply understands the basics of basketball. And you really don't understand this game half as well as you think you do. Role player....

Oh.... and the easiest position to fill? Point guard.

Rudy Gobert, Joakim Noah, Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler. All were DPOY, all stars and are/were role players.

These are still obviously good and valuable players, but they aren't what you build a team around. It's unfortunate that you would rather argue and roll your eyes at me than have any sort of worthwhile discussion.

I can't have a discussion with you because you don't respond honestly. You just talked about players that the game passed by and call them role players and you consider them that now because THE **** GAME CHANGED BECAUSE THE GSW AND DRAYMOND GREEN CHANGED IT.

Oh and if I'm going to get blamed for rolling my eyes... then here

Draymond Green is still playing and he got totally exposed this year when he was asked to go beyond his role offensively.

Rudy Gobert is still playing.

Ben Simmons is still playing and his team has given up on building with him.

Perhaps instead of rolling your eyes it would be best to read what I have written. It would save you from getting upset and we could have a proper discussion.

[Johnny Bball]

Rudy Gobert, Joakim Noah, Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler. All were DPOY, all stars and are/were role players.

These are still obviously good and valuable players, but they aren't what you build a team around. It's unfortunate that you would rather argue and roll your eyes at me than have any sort of worthwhile discussion.

I can't have a discussion with you because you don't respond honestly. You just talked about players that the game passed by and call them role players and you consider them that now because THE **** GAME CHANGED BECAUSE THE GSW AND DRAYMOND GREEN CHANGED IT.

Oh and if I'm going to get blamed for rolling my eyes... then here

Draymond Green is still playing and he got totally exposed this year when he was asked to go beyond his role offensively.

Rudy Gobert is still playing.

Ben Simmons is still playing and his team has given up on building with him.

Perhaps instead of rolling your eyes it would be best to read what I have written. It would save you from getting upset and we could have a proper discussion.

You're the one that considers them role players!!! Imagine the hypocrisy in telling me to read what's written.

And yeah... five years of GSW at the top of the league wasn't long enough and players never age right?

[canada_dry]

Fischer already reported this days ago. Noone believed it.

Put some respek on his name.

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[arbsn]

Doesn’t matter you don’t pass on the potential next CP3 for Draymond

[ontnut]

You think that Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were important to that equation? Draymond was an elite role player for them, Steph was and is clearly what made everything else work. Draymond right now isn't even a top 50 player in the league. KD was far more important to the team when he joined as well.

Perhaps don't attempt to speak as a historian of the game just to try and justify your own argument.

Yeah, Draymond Green - Elite role player? Allstar and DPOY and Kerr's decision to put him at C put that team over the top. I'm not speaking as a historian, just someone that simply understands the basics of basketball. And you really don't understand this game half as well as you think you do. Role player....

Oh.... and the easiest position to fill? Point guard.

Rudy Gobert, Joakim Noah, Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler. All were DPOY, all stars and are/were role players.

These are still obviously good and valuable players, but they aren't what you build a team around. It's unfortunate that you would rather argue and roll your eyes at me than have any sort of worthwhile discussion.

Billups also got passed around, and I'm not sure you could say that Detroit built their team around him, actually the first piece of that team was Ben Wallace. Jrue Holiday wasn't built around. Brandon Roy was sort of built around, kinda, or maybe it was LMA?

Either way, we should be able to agree, based on the batted-around projections, that neither Suggs nor Barnes are guys you build your team around.

[ontnut]

Doesn’t matter you don’t pass on the potential next CP3 for Draymond

He's not CP3.

[Raps in 4]

i remember Suggs during an interview said he always wanted to stand on a table and celebrate like Wade or Lebron. And he did that after draining the famous game-winner. He had personal glory in mind and wasn't going to give that shot up no matter what. Some might like it but I didn't think he was at the level to warrant that kind of ego just yet.

Also he said something along the lines of now that he's giving up football and concentrating on basketball, it's scary to think how good a player he can become.

Quotes like that show that he has quite a large ego and basketball was never really his first priority, and it did honestly peeved me. Even though I understand it in no way shape or form makes him a lesser basketball player. Given equal talent, I would enjoy watching someone who has the love for the game and tries to be a team player that plays the right way.

I didn't like his demeanor in interviews either (I said this before the draft too so it's not just me coping). There was another answer he gave where he said he doesn't see any weaknesses in his game. Make no mistake, I still would have drafted him, but he definitely came off cocky and overconfident in interviews.

[kalel123]

I just find the notion that Raptors passed on Suggs due to bad workout hard to believe.

Maybe it played a factor and it is an important process but they probably gathered a ton of info before and after the workouts that a singular workout couldn't have been a deciding factor unless they already viewed Suggs and Barnes to be very close in talent level.

There was also a thread that asked whether Suggs tanked the workout on purpose, which is beyond stupid.

[Pointgod]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

[T-d0t]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

Ya I hate this. People are really on Masai's nuts thinking that he and the FO can do no wrong

[nikster]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

there were reports of this coming out from before the draft. Why would the raps need damage control, they made they're pick because theyre confident in their decision

[baller16]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

Ya I hate this. People are really on Masai's nuts thinking that he and the FO can do no wrong

Yup the classic appeal to authority crowd. According to half our board we have no right to criticize the FO because they won us a ring.

Not saying we shouldn't give Masai & Co the benefit of the doubt for this pick, but no FO in this league is ever perfect and its fair to criticize them

[Pointgod]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

there were reports of this coming out from before the draft. Why would the raps need damage control, they made they're pick because theyre confident in their decision

Probably because they’re getting killed by the media for picking Barnes over Suggs. I’m always skeptical of these reports that post draft that say x had a bad workout to justify a team not picking him. I’m sure the Raps are confident in their decision. Also damage control from a Raptors fans as well after hyping up Suggs to insane levels

[niQ]

Yeah, Draymond Green - Elite role player? Allstar and DPOY and Kerr's decision to put him at C put that team over the top. I'm not speaking as a historian, just someone that simply understands the basics of basketball. And you really don't understand this game half as well as you think you do. Role player....

Oh.... and the easiest position to fill? Point guard.

Rudy Gobert, Joakim Noah, Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler. All were DPOY, all stars and are/were role players.

These are still obviously good and valuable players, but they aren't what you build a team around. It's unfortunate that you would rather argue and roll your eyes at me than have any sort of worthwhile discussion.

I can't have a discussion with you because you don't respond honestly. You just talked about players that the game passed by and call them role players and you consider them that now because THE **** GAME CHANGED BECAUSE THE GSW AND DRAYMOND GREEN CHANGED IT.

Oh and if I'm going to get blamed for rolling my eyes... then here

Yet you two seem to always respond to each other in different threads. We have suggested both of you put each other on ignore in the past. Please consider using the ignore feature instead of derailing threads.

[mademan]

Doesn’t matter you don’t pass on the potential next CP3 for Draymond

Saying Suggs is CP3 is the equivalent of saying Barnes is the next T-Mac. It's a ridiculous comp. CP3 was/is an absolutely elite ball handling half court savant with an elite shot. Suggs cant do chit in the halfcourt, doesnt have his BBIQ, handles or shot

[nikster]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

there were reports of this coming out from before the draft. Why would the raps need damage control, they made they're pick because theyre confident in their decision

Probably because they’re getting killed by the media for picking Barnes over Suggs. I’m always skeptical of these reports that post draft that say x had a bad workout to justify a team not picking him. I’m sure the Raps are confident in their decision. Also damage control from a Raptors fans as well after hyping up Suggs to insane levels

these reports started coming out before the draft....And why would the raps care about media perception in the aftermath. They knew what the consensus was, they made their pick anyway

[Kinger95]

Suggs could easily be kris dunn. Need to wait and see

[Johnny Bball]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

there were reports of this coming out from before the draft. Why would the raps need damage control, they made they're pick because theyre confident in their decision

Probably because they’re getting killed by the media for picking Barnes over Suggs. I’m always skeptical of these reports that post draft that say x had a bad workout to justify a team not picking him. I’m sure the Raps are confident in their decision. Also damage control from a Raptors fans as well after hyping up Suggs to insane levels

Where are they getting killed in the media?

I don't get either of the perspectives. Some of us said they would take Barnes. Doesn't mean Suggs sucks. It means Barnes has qualities they value highly.

[Raps Next GM]

I just find the notion that Raptors passed on Suggs due to bad workout hard to believe.

Maybe it played a factor and it is an important process but they probably gathered a ton of info before and after the workouts that a singular workout couldn't have been a deciding factor unless they already viewed Suggs and Barnes to be very close in talent level.

There was also a thread that asked whether Suggs tanked the workout on purpose, which is beyond stupid.

I think it depends on what you assume the purpose of the singular workout is. For me, I don’t rule it out that the workout was a major factor. They’ve obviously seen all the video and what not, but what I would suspect they look for in a workout is how “fixable” a prospect’s flaws are. What can realistically be improved?

Having Suggs or Barnes shoot in an empty gym or guarding scrubs won’t tell them much, but they clearly saw a higher ceiling in Barnes that they are confident is attainable through their development than they did in Suggs.

[Public_Enemy101]

Would love to see the secret Open Gym footage of Suggs bombing his workout. THE TAPES MUST BE RELEASED!