2021-22 regular season thread

[jbk1234]

So in the deepest draft in years for PG's with good 2 way size Altman failed to get a 2nd round pick smh
Instead he trades one of the floor spacers they did have for a good veteran back up pg but one that cant shoot or defend...just pathetic.
Should have went after several of the first round talent prospects that fell to the 2nd.
For a team needing more spacing and doing nothing at all in the draft to address it I am not impressed.
Great we got what could be the best player in the draft in Mobley but c'mon man I watched the entire fkn draft and our GM is a no show.
There are a few prospects that went UDFA that might be worth looking at I guess so maybe he can bring in some like he did with Dean Wade but beyond that all thats left is the reject market that are released to bring in the newly drafted .
I would be hoping for Jaq Mclaughlin or Mac Mclung as UDFA as 3rd pg options maybe Matt Mitchell or Sam Hauser on the wing
Hurt Ayayi Wright Duke Onu etc are also potential role players

Maybe he's lost a step, but Rubio was really underrated defensively for a long time. Look at his steals. Like Nance, he had good advanced numbers as well.

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[jbk1234]

I’m good with last night and glad that Altman didn’t rush into a Sexton trade. Always believed it was better to wait until after teams are disappointed in FA and when 2022 draft is a year away; or keep him.

I’m also glad they selected Mobley. He’s young, raw, and mostly arms and legs, but seems to have a feel for the game.

I’m glad LNJ is still on the team. I think he’s a key to properly developing Mobley.

I know some people are disappointed the Cavs didn’t buy back into the draft. But honestly, I’m not sure more rookies/youth is what this team needs.
Allen, Sexton, Garland, Windler, Okoro, Mobley is a lot…

Adding Rubio was a solid move. Don’t much care about the Wizards 2022 2nd rounder and don’t care about Gilbert’s money. Vet PG who can backup and defend both positions. A player like that was needed in the backcourt for the same reason LNJ is needed in the front court. It’s stabilizing.

So where does the team go from here? I don’t like having Love/Windler in any plan, so this team desperately needs floor spacing on the wing/paint.


Do the Cavs try to add someone like McDermott or Otto Porter Jr. who can play across the front and knock down 3s? Do they go after an Olynyk to stretch the post for the second unit?


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They need to see if Dallas or Portland will give away DJJ or J. Rich.

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[LivingLegend]

I love the pick, love that they didn't go crazy with a huge move, love adding Rubio but at the cost of Prince who was out only 3/D player with size on the wing sort of sucks.

Everything is great, question though remains--we still don't have a legitimate SF on this roster. Lots of guards and lots of bigs. Need to make a move before the season starts to get a SF. Badly. Would really like to see them make a run at THT. He would be perfect.

It's also surprising that with all of the Sexton/Love smoke something didn't materialize

[Wisedude]

I have not seen an official attendance count at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse for the Cavs Draft Party but since I was there, there must have been around 10,000 people there. It was very well attended.

[Stillwater]

I love the pick, love that they didn't go crazy with a huge move, love adding Rubio but at the cost of Prince who was out only 3/D player with size on the wing sort of sucks.

Everything is great, question though remains--we still don't have a legitimate SF on this roster. Lots of guards and lots of bigs. Need to make a move before the season starts to get a SF. Badly. Would really like to see them make a run at THT. He would be perfect.

It's also surprising that with all of the Sexton/Love smoke something didn't materialize

You just said it why nothing materialized ... it was never about moving Sexton it was about establishing value before an extension.

[JonFromVA]

I love the pick, love that they didn't go crazy with a huge move, love adding Rubio but at the cost of Prince who was out only 3/D player with size on the wing sort of sucks.

Everything is great, question though remains--we still don't have a legitimate SF on this roster. Lots of guards and lots of bigs. Need to make a move before the season starts to get a SF. Badly. Would really like to see them make a run at THT. He would be perfect.

It's also surprising that with all of the Sexton/Love smoke something didn't materialize

You just said it why nothing materialized ... it was never about moving Sexton it was about establishing value before an extension.

I'd wait for the free-agent market and Beal/Simmons/Lillard trade talks to settle down before getting too comfortable with that viewpoint.

Literally nothing has changed, or else we should be hearing about the two sides reaching an agreement on an extension pretty soon.

We've got:

1) Collin wants the max
2) The Cavs aren't ready to pay him the max
3) No team has been willing to give up a much just to get the rights to pay Collin the max

What's most likely to change this Summer?

Only #3 might if some teams feels they need to make a big move and trading for Collin is the only move left.

Once we start rolling in to the season, there will be another chance for things to shift, and perhaps having the right pieces to put around Collin will give the Cavs and other teams a better opportunity to evaluate his value.

But do we have that?

A starting lineup of Rubio-Sexton-Okoro-Mobley-Allen is like toxic disaster level floor spacing ... Collin's best chance to shine might come with a bench bunch with something like Rubio-Sexton-Windler-Love-Nance ... but that would likely only solidify his upside as a 6th man.

Which all and all could work out for the Cavs who presumably would be pleased to have Collin back at a depressed price, but Collin sure wouldn't like it.

So, I'll be very surprised if they do anything other than continue to start Sexland until/if one of them is traded.

[Stillwater]

I love the pick, love that they didn't go crazy with a huge move, love adding Rubio but at the cost of Prince who was out only 3/D player with size on the wing sort of sucks.

Everything is great, question though remains--we still don't have a legitimate SF on this roster. Lots of guards and lots of bigs. Need to make a move before the season starts to get a SF. Badly. Would really like to see them make a run at THT. He would be perfect.

It's also surprising that with all of the Sexton/Love smoke something didn't materialize

You just said it why nothing materialized ... it was never about moving Sexton it was about establishing value before an extension.

I'd wait for the free-agent market and Beal/Simmons/Lillard trade talks to settle down before getting too comfortable with that viewpoint.

Literally nothing has changed, or else we should be hearing about the two sides reaching an agreement on an extension pretty soon.

We've got:

1) Collin wants the max
2) The Cavs aren't ready to pay him the max
3) No team has been willing to give up a much just to get the rights to pay Collin the max

What's most likely to change this Summer?

Only #3 might if some teams feels they need to make a big move and trading for Collin is the only move left.

Once we start rolling in to the season, there will be another chance for things to shift, and perhaps having the right pieces to put around Collin will give the Cavs and other teams a better opportunity to evaluate his value.

But do we have that?

A starting lineup of Rubio-Sexton-Okoro-Mobley-Allen is like toxic disaster level floor spacing ... Collin's best chance to shine might come with a bench bunch with something like Rubio-Sexton-Windler-Love-Nance ... but that would likely only solidify his upside as a 6th man.

Which all and all could work out for the Cavs who presumably would be pleased to have Collin back at a depressed price, but Collin sure wouldn't like it.

So, I'll be very surprised if they do anything other than continue to start Sexland until/if one of them is traded.

I mean I am not surprised that is your stance lol but the reality is trading Sexton was never a good idea and if they do go that route it will only be because they are blown away at the offer which would be the same thing for any core player. the difference is a blown away offer is far more likely given for a player not entering into a season where they want to get paid...
It is not rocket science but some of you are so hung up on benching or shipping Sexton you can't see the forest for the trees imo

[JonFromVA]

You just said it why nothing materialized ... it was never about moving Sexton it was about establishing value before an extension.

I'd wait for the free-agent market and Beal/Simmons/Lillard trade talks to settle down before getting too comfortable with that viewpoint.

Literally nothing has changed, or else we should be hearing about the two sides reaching an agreement on an extension pretty soon.

We've got:

1) Collin wants the max
2) The Cavs aren't ready to pay him the max
3) No team has been willing to give up a much just to get the rights to pay Collin the max

What's most likely to change this Summer?

Only #3 might if some teams feels they need to make a big move and trading for Collin is the only move left.

Once we start rolling in to the season, there will be another chance for things to shift, and perhaps having the right pieces to put around Collin will give the Cavs and other teams a better opportunity to evaluate his value.

But do we have that?

A starting lineup of Rubio-Sexton-Okoro-Mobley-Allen is like toxic disaster level floor spacing ... Collin's best chance to shine might come with a bench bunch with something like Rubio-Sexton-Windler-Love-Nance ... but that would likely only solidify his upside as a 6th man.

Which all and all could work out for the Cavs who presumably would be pleased to have Collin back at a depressed price, but Collin sure wouldn't like it.

So, I'll be very surprised if they do anything other than continue to start Sexland until/if one of them is traded.

I mean I am not surprised that is your stance lol but the reality is trading Sexton was never a good idea and if they do go that route it will only be because they are blown away at the offer which would be the same thing for any core player. the difference is a blown away offer is far more likely given for a player not entering into a season where they want to get paid...
It is not rocket science but some of you are so hung up on benching or shipping Sexton you can't see the forest for the trees imo

Why is it so hard for you to express your opinion without making up lies about other posters?

As long as Collin Sexton is a member of the team, I wish him nothing but the best; but the clock is ticking and the Cavs have to decide what they want to do with him. Are they holding out for a deal better than just letting him playout his contract and see what happens in RFA? Absolutely.

As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. So, I'm not going to bother going over the gazillion reasons we've gotten to this point ... just caution you to cut out your attacks or I'm going stop trying to talk with you and start reporting you.

I've about had enough.

[Stillwater]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

[jbk1234]

I love the pick, love that they didn't go crazy with a huge move, love adding Rubio but at the cost of Prince who was out only 3/D player with size on the wing sort of sucks.

Everything is great, question though remains--we still don't have a legitimate SF on this roster. Lots of guards and lots of bigs. Need to make a move before the season starts to get a SF. Badly. Would really like to see them make a run at THT. He would be perfect.

It's also surprising that with all of the Sexton/Love smoke something didn't materialize

You just said it why nothing materialized ... it was never about moving Sexton it was about establishing value before an extension.

I'd wait for the free-agent market and Beal/Simmons/Lillard trade talks to settle down before getting too comfortable with that viewpoint.

Literally nothing has changed, or else we should be hearing about the two sides reaching an agreement on an extension pretty soon.

We've got:

1) Collin wants the max
2) The Cavs aren't ready to pay him the max
3) No team has been willing to give up a much just to get the rights to pay Collin the max

What's most likely to change this Summer?

Only #3 might if some teams feels they need to make a big move and trading for Collin is the only move left.

Once we start rolling in to the season, there will be another chance for things to shift, and perhaps having the right pieces to put around Collin will give the Cavs and other teams a better opportunity to evaluate his value.

But do we have that?

A starting lineup of Rubio-Sexton-Okoro-Mobley-Allen is like toxic disaster level floor spacing ... Collin's best chance to shine might come with a bench bunch with something like Rubio-Sexton-Windler-Love-Nance ... but that would likely only solidify his upside as a 6th man.

Which all and all could work out for the Cavs who presumably would be pleased to have Collin back at a depressed price, but Collin sure wouldn't like it.

So, I'll be very surprised if they do anything other than continue to start Sexland until/if one of them is traded.

That won't be the starting lineup. We're about to have a very expensive bench. Love will stay healthy, play well with Rubio off the bench, or not.

I wouldn't even pencil in Mobley as a starter. He's a 19 year old big man who is thin.

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[jbk1234]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

Sexton was on the block. The Cavs didn't like the offers. That's the truth. Again, there's an ignore function.

You can keep going at Jon, and I get that you like to argue, but you should understand that there's a good chance he's going to be the next mod for this forum. I'm about done.

You should also brace yourself for at least the possibility of Sexton still getting traded. There are a lot of playoff teams with tight windows who are about to run out of options. Their pre-draft-day offers won't be the same as their post-free-agency offers. I suspect that if the Knicks were able to trade up and draft Duerte, then Sexton would've already been traded. They're not nearly as high on Barrett as they're pretending.

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[Stillwater]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

Sexton was on the block. The Cavs didn't like the offers. That's the truth. Again, there's an ignore function.

You can keep going at Jon, and I get that you like to argue, but you should understand that there's a good chance he's going to be the next mod for this forum. I'm about done.

You should also brace yourself for at least the possibility of Sexton still getting traded. There are a lot of playoff teams with tight windows who are about to run out of options. Their pre-draft-day offers won't be the same as their post-free-agency offers. I suspect that if the Knicks were able to trade up and draft Duerte, then Sexton would've already been traded. They're not nearly as high on Barrett as they're pretending.

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See this is the part where I say prove it... and noone can so anything beyond that is speculative yet some chose apparently including yourself to believe what made sense to you since you think Sexton does not deserve to get paid etc etc and the people that said things of the nature that he was available as if that meant he was any more available than anyone else which imo is absolute speculation and there is zero proof of it have been silenced.
It's alright I am walking away for now anyway , there is nothing more to say
Peace out

[jbk1234]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

Sexton was on the block. The Cavs didn't like the offers. That's the truth. Again, there's an ignore function.

You can keep going at Jon, and I get that you like to argue, but you should understand that there's a good chance he's going to be the next mod for this forum. I'm about done.

You should also brace yourself for at least the possibility of Sexton still getting traded. There are a lot of playoff teams with tight windows who are about to run out of options. Their pre-draft-day offers won't be the same as their post-free-agency offers. I suspect that if the Knicks were able to trade up and draft Duerte, then Sexton would've already been traded. They're not nearly as high on Barrett as they're pretending.

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See this is the part where I say prove it... and noone can so anything beyond that is speculative yet some chose apparently including yourself to believe what made sense to you since you think Sexton does not deserve to get paid etc etc and the people that said things of the nature that he was available as if that meant he was any more available than anyone else which imo is absolute speculation and there is zero proof of it have been silenced.
It's alright I am walking away for now anyway , there is nothing more to say
Peace out

Peace.

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[LivingLegend]

But what about the SF position........

[jbk1234]

But what about the SF position........

If we trade Sexton for Barrett, I'd feel real good about SF, but when the Knicks couldn't trade up for Duarte, well I think we might be back to Nance at SF, which I'm fine with, but we're starting a rookie at PF and that's good for 5 Ls a season.

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[JonFromVA]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

By all means give us your version of the truth, your take, your opinion ... whatever you want to call it, just don't try to tell me how I feel or claim I have some sort of agenda or even hate one of our guys, because I dont and in that case if you can't prove your claim it is a personal attack.

I'm just glad the preponderance of evidence was right and you were wrong when the Cavs turn in the draft came up Im especially glad they didnt trade back to 5 to get Barnes.

[JonFromVA]

You just said it why nothing materialized ... it was never about moving Sexton it was about establishing value before an extension.

I'd wait for the free-agent market and Beal/Simmons/Lillard trade talks to settle down before getting too comfortable with that viewpoint.

Literally nothing has changed, or else we should be hearing about the two sides reaching an agreement on an extension pretty soon.

We've got:

1) Collin wants the max
2) The Cavs aren't ready to pay him the max
3) No team has been willing to give up a much just to get the rights to pay Collin the max

What's most likely to change this Summer?

Only #3 might if some teams feels they need to make a big move and trading for Collin is the only move left.

Once we start rolling in to the season, there will be another chance for things to shift, and perhaps having the right pieces to put around Collin will give the Cavs and other teams a better opportunity to evaluate his value.

But do we have that?

A starting lineup of Rubio-Sexton-Okoro-Mobley-Allen is like toxic disaster level floor spacing ... Collin's best chance to shine might come with a bench bunch with something like Rubio-Sexton-Windler-Love-Nance ... but that would likely only solidify his upside as a 6th man.

Which all and all could work out for the Cavs who presumably would be pleased to have Collin back at a depressed price, but Collin sure wouldn't like it.

So, I'll be very surprised if they do anything other than continue to start Sexland until/if one of them is traded.

That won't be the starting lineup. We're about to have a very expensive bench. Love will stay healthy, play well with Rubio off the bench, or not.

I wouldn't even pencil in Mobley as a starter. He's a 19 year old big man who is thin.

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If the Cavs land on some lineup that actually wins, I suppose anything is possible... but until then it's a pretty safe bet the Cavs will start their 19 year old lottery pick regardless of how bad he might play.

Sure it seemed this might finally be the year they cut that out, but then they drafted a potential franchise player so forget that and start considering which mountains Altman will move to make sure it happens.

I'm teasing ... we all know that mountain's name.

[Stillwater]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

By all means give us your version of the truth, your take, your opinion ... whatever you want to call it, just don't try to tell me how I feel or claim I have some sort of agenda or even hate one of our guys, because I dont and in that case if you can't prove your claim it is a personal attack.

I'm just glad the preponderance of evidence was right and you were wrong when the Cavs turn in the draft came up Im especially glad they didnt trade back to 5 to get Barnes.

If you do take over as mod you should at least bother to get it right... I always said I was cool with Mobley and was down with taking Barnes over Green and if they could get 5 and 8 was cool with either Barnes or Suggs at 5 and whoever at 8 because imo Green wasn't worth Barnes or Suggs add another top 10 prospect.
The only thing i was wrong about is how much Mobley was slept on by Det and Hou. Cavs got the best upside prospect hands down outside Barnes.
Anyway im just sick of the Sexton trade bs they move him they deserve DG to get hurt or something.
My feelings are dead about this now

[JonFromVA]

Life is too short to take offense to basketball forum disagreements but if you dont like what I said it wasn't personal... it was the truth though...as I see it anyway just like someone else will have what they consider to be the truth as they see it.
The truth is nobody knows for certain what news that was reported about Sexton is fact or fiction and using my discretion I feel far more informed ignoring unreasonable theories suggesting they should dump him for peanuts which is all they will get for him right now. Maybe Altman is that stupid that he would trade him now, but I would like to think he isnt that dumb....and no I am not calling anyone stupid for disagreeing with me lol I am just saying I think it is stupid to trade him
EH Its almost football season anyway

By all means give us your version of the truth, your take, your opinion ... whatever you want to call it, just don't try to tell me how I feel or claim I have some sort of agenda or even hate one of our guys, because I dont and in that case if you can't prove your claim it is a personal attack.

I'm just glad the preponderance of evidence was right and you were wrong when the Cavs turn in the draft came up Im especially glad they didnt trade back to 5 to get Barnes.

If you do take over as mod you should at least bother to get it right... I always said I was cool with Mobley and was down with taking Barnes over Green and if they could get 5 and 8 was cool with either Barnes or Suggs at 5 and whoever at 8 because imo Green wasn't worth Barnes or Suggs add another top 10 prospect.
The only thing i was wrong about is how much Mobley was slept on by Det and Hou. Cavs got the best upside prospect hands down outside Barnes.
Anyway im just sick of the Sexton trade bs they move him they deserve DG to get hurt or something.
My feelings are dead about this now

lol, I've only ever talked about helping jbk1234 out, babysitting this board is not high on my life priorities nor do I really wish to change how I post.

It won't be BS if they move Collin and we've tried to explain why over the years. It could certainly turn out to be a decision they regret - but it sure won't be Garland's fault. It's all about Collin's value, future development, and cap management.

A team can collect a ton of picks but that doesn't mean they can pay them all the max. Yet the system requires the Cavs to decide before these players have earned it let alone shown they can contribute to winning.

On a 20 something win team there really should be no regrets if someone gets traded.

[LivingLegend]

But what about the SF position........

If we trade Sexton for Batter, I'd feel real good about SF, but when the Knicks couldn't trade up for Duarte, well I think we might be back to Nance at SF, which I'm fine with, but we're starting a rookie at PF and that's good for 5 Ls a season.

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I find it hard to believe the cavs would be okay with going into next season with only Cedi Osman as the only true, not playing out of position SF.