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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1401 » by DCZards » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:59 pm

payitforward wrote:Delon Wright would be a great pick up for us. But, trading Bryant now just creates another hole to fill. How much do they value Wright, I wonder? Could we start with Chandler Hutchison, & see what we need to add?

Even better, maybe, would be Alex Caruso. He's a FA. He'd fit our needs perfectly.

Really, re-signing Neto is probably the most practical idea.

I was all for resigning Neto...until they traded for Holiday. Now, if we re-sign Neto, the Zards will have three PGs (Holiday, Neto, Winston) who are all 6-1 or smaller. That's not good.

I like the Wright idea....and I know you've long been high on Delon. I think it would take more than Hutchison to get him though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1402 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:24 am

payitforward wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:My #1 trade target would be Delon Wright and I would offer Thomas Bryant. It makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Wright is very expendable after drafting Mitchell. The PG minutes are going Fox/Haliburton/Mitchell.

I have felt that Wright needs to run a team to show what he can do - I think he is very ready.

Like us Sacramento has a hole - they don't have a starting Center.

They will still move Hield and Bagley (my opinion).

BTW, Haliburton was tried to put a positive face on the draft when he was on NBA.tv but struggled.

There might be some additional filler - one of James or Woodard (SGs) for Hutchison (for example) (SF).


Truth be told Wright was quite good last season: 10.2 pts, 4.3 rbs, 1.6 stl, 4.4 ast (only 1.3 TOs and 1.2 fouls) in 27.7 mins. He has shot +37% from 3 over the last 2 seasons, and he has had a positive DBPM and OBPM for many seasons in a row.

He is no star to keep Beal happy, but I wonder if he is friendly with Beal given that they are of similar age (29 yrs Wright vs 28 yrs old Beal).

Delon Wright would be a great pick up for us. But, trading Bryant now just creates another hole to fill. How much do they value Wright, I wonder? Could we start with Chandler Hutchison, & see what we need to add?

Even better, maybe, would be Alex Caruso. He's a FA. He'd fit our needs perfectly.

Really, re-signing Neto is probably the most practical idea.

too late...Tristan Thompson To Kings, Delon Wright To Hawks, Kris Dunn To Celtics In Three-Way Trade

Is Tristan Thompson better than Bryant? Does he have more upside?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1403 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:32 am

Anyone like Avery Bradley as a target?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1404 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:48 am

mhd wrote:Kings just traded Delon Wright for Tristan Thompson. I would have driven Bryant to the airport for Delon Wright.

Exactly. Tommy :nonono:
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1405 » by DCZards » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:08 am

mhd wrote:Kings just traded Delon Wright for Tristan Thompson. I would have driven Bryant to the airport for Delon Wright.

…and I would have been at the airport to stop Bryant from getting on the flight. :)

I wanted Delon but not in exchange for TB.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1406 » by 80sballboy » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:53 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Anyone like Avery Bradley as a target?


Man, has he been well-traveled the last three+ years. Has played for six teams. I wouldn't want him as a my starter and wouldn't pay much or for more than a year, but he's just 30. If he's healthy, I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him as a combo guard off the bench who can hit the three, defend and play some point. I just don't know what he has left.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1407 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:59 am

DCZards wrote:
mhd wrote:Kings just traded Delon Wright for Tristan Thompson. I would have driven Bryant to the airport for Delon Wright.

…and I would have been at the airport to stop Bryant from getting on the flight. :)

I wanted Delon but not in exchange for TB.

I'm with Zards.

Basically 4 out of 5 trade "ideas" on this Board start with "we send out Thomas Bryant." :)
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1408 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:56 am

dckingsfan wrote:My #1 trade target would be Delon Wright and I would offer Thomas Bryant. It makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Wright is very expendable after drafting Mitchell. The PG minutes are going Fox/Haliburton/Mitchell.

I have felt that Wright needs to run a team to show what he can do - I think he is very ready.

Like us Sacramento has a hole - they don't have a starting Center.

They will still move Hield and Bagley (my opinion).

BTW, Haliburton was tried to put a positive face on the draft when he was on NBA.tv but struggled.

There might be some additional filler - one of James or Woodard (SGs) for Hutchison (for example) (SF).
I have always been a deal on right fan and I think it's a great idea.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1409 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:57 am

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TGW wrote:Dare I say it.









John Wall. Trade them Bertrans, KCP, and Harrell and try and get the FRP back. Or expand it and try and get Wall and Wood.

That would be the most insane, awesome, and hysterical trade of all time. It actually makes a fair amount of sense: Bertans, Harrell and Kuzma for Wall and our pick back:

PG Wall/Holiday
SG Beal/Mathews
SF KCP/Kispert
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant
Captain Picard would say make it so

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1410 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:58 am

gambitx777 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:Dare I say it.









John Wall. Trade them Bertrans, KCP, and Harrell and try and get the FRP back. Or expand it and try and get Wall and Wood.

That would be the most insane, awesome, and hysterical trade of all time. It actually makes a fair amount of sense: Bertans, Harrell and Kuzma for Wall and our pick back:

PG Wall/Holiday
SG Beal/Mathews
SF KCP/Kispert
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant
Your mind would just have to explode just to do the mental math lol
We would have ended up trading John wall and 2 seconda for John wall holiday, KCP and Todd. LoL.

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And on top of that the John Wall we get back is almost on expiring contract and he is more valuable than ever

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1411 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:24 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
TGW wrote:My lineup at this point:

Beal/KCP/Kuzma/Rui/Gafford

Holliday/Kispert/Deni/Bertans/Bryant


That 2nd line would send us back to being the league's historically worst defense. Any line with Bertans and Bryant on the floor at the same time is going to be problematic on defense.
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Beal, KCP, Rui, Kuzma,Harrell

I might roll with Beal, KCP, Rui, Kuzma and Bryant.

My bench would be potent: Holiday, Kispert, Deni, Bertans, Gafford

Sorry I have no clue because Montrezl Harrell isn't even in the top players I need to think about this some more

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1412 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:Kuzma & Bryant for Ball (S&T)?

G Lonzo Ball, Aaron Holiday
G Bradley Beal, K. Caldwell-Pope, Garrison Mathews
F Deni Avdija, Corey Kispert
F Rui Hachimura, Davis Bertans, Isaiah Todd
C Daniel Gafford, Montrezl Harrell
Dat, I like yours but I would start Rui, Bertans,Gafford,

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1413 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:30 pm

payitforward wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:My #1 trade target would be Delon Wright and I would offer Thomas Bryant. It makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Wright is very expendable after drafting Mitchell. The PG minutes are going Fox/Haliburton/Mitchell.

I have felt that Wright needs to run a team to show what he can do - I think he is very ready.

Like us Sacramento has a hole - they don't have a starting Center.

They will still move Hield and Bagley (my opinion).

BTW, Haliburton was tried to put a positive face on the draft when he was on NBA.tv but struggled.

There might be some additional filler - one of James or Woodard (SGs) for Hutchison (for example) (SF).


Truth be told Wright was quite good last season: 10.2 pts, 4.3 rbs, 1.6 stl, 4.4 ast (only 1.3 TOs and 1.2 fouls) in 27.7 mins. He has shot +37% from 3 over the last 2 seasons, and he has had a positive DBPM and OBPM for many seasons in a row.

He is no star to keep Beal happy, but I wonder if he is friendly with Beal given that they are of similar age (29 yrs Wright vs 28 yrs old Beal).

Delon Wright would be a great pick up for us. But, trading Bryant now just creates another hole to fill. How much do they value Wright, I wonder? Could we start with Chandler Hutchison, & see what we need to add?

Even better, maybe, would be Alex Caruso. He's a FA. He'd fit our needs perfectly.

Really, re-signing Neto is probably the most practical idea.
I think with the new coach Chandler Hutchison is actually closer to the type of player that he would like

Beal, KCP, Hutchison, Hachimura, Gafford

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1414 » by doclinkin » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:55 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Beal, KCP, Rui, Kuzma,Harrell

I might roll with Beal, KCP, Rui, Kuzma and Bryant.

My bench would be potent: Holiday, Kispert, Deni, Bertans, Gafford

Sorry I have no clue because Montrezl Harrell isn't even in the top players I need to think about this some more


There's a lot to play with, though I don't see the synergy yet.

Holiday - Shooter, Drive and Kick, Defense
Beal - Downhill attack, running off screens
Kispert - outside shot, efficient offense in motion
Trez - High energy interior player --OR-- Rui- face up wing forward. Decent man D on opposing 3/4's
Bryant - Inside outside Big. High percentage scorer.

Outside shooting from AHol and Kispert gives Beal room to operate, run pick and roll/pick and pop with Bryant. Trez sets screens, picks, rolls hard, crashes glass. If Bryant's outside shot is hitting then there is more room for Beal and Trez to crash the interior while the opposing Bigs leave the paint. If Rui not Trez, then we can play 5 out on offense, and Rui's decent speed can get past opposing Bigs who chase him outside.

On Defense, Bryant stays at home near the paint, let Trez chase ranged bigs outside. Holiday slows the point of attack. With shooting and points elsewhere, and players like Kispert/KCP moving off the ball, Beal can spend a little more effort on D. But yeah this is not our best Defensive line.

2nd line ends up:
Ish? -- (ballhandler who can penetrate, veteran leadership) --OR-- Neto? (try hard outside shooting guard)
KCP -- outside shot, good in transition
Bertans/Kispert -- outside shot
Deni -- 2ndary playmaker especially in the open court
Gafford -- interior finisher

Outside shooters give space for Gafford inside, and options for Deni to pass to if his interior drive is blocked. On D Gafford erases mistakes, KCP is solid, Neto harasses players.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1415 » by Gig18 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:03 pm

Maybe we don't pursue a name PG at this point; we end up going back to the all-for-one "everybody eats" mode from 2018 --- only this time with better overall players. I can see Deni serving as the Satoransky upgrade, resigning Neto or Ish and moving the ball more, rather than having a ball-dominant PG to set everything up.
I'm a little leery of the Dinwiddie talk; haven't followed him enough to know more than his stats, which are ehhhh. Holiday, Neto/Ish, Deni, and don't forget Beal ...
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Post#1416 » by bubba hotep » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:16 pm

How about:

Bertans, Bryant, and Deni for a Lonzo S+T?

Would we be giving up too much?

As much as I love Bryant, he and Bertans might be appealing as guys who could space the floor for Zion. And Deni gives them a wing with secondary playmaker upside who I could easily see working next to Ingram.
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Post#1417 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:22 pm

Bryant has 1 year left - Harrell has 1 year left. Yes, Bryant is an RFA but I don't see much difference honestly in terms of holes. I would have plugged either Bryant or Harrel in for Wright in a heartbeat.

If you think it would create at hole at C - I would ask you what our hole at PG looks like.

We wiffed on that one...
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Post#1418 » by sackings916 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:25 pm

Apologies if this was already discussed. But there are rumors in Sac that Kuzma and Harrell may still be coming to Sacramento. Is there a deal that makes sense? I would think Buddy Hield would be involved.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1419 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:31 pm

bubba hotep wrote:How about:

Bertans, Bryant, and Deni for a Lonzo S+T?

Would we be giving up too much?

As much as I love Bryant, he and Bertans might be appealing as guys who could space the floor for Zion. And Deni gives them a wing with secondary playmaker upside who I could easily see working next to Ingram.

I think that the Pelicans will end up resigning him... he is a good fit with their roster.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1420 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:12 pm

doclinkin wrote:There's a lot to play with, though I don't see the synergy yet.

Holiday - Shooter, Drive and Kick, Defense
Beal - Downhill attack, running off screens
Kispert - outside shot, efficient offense in motion
Trez - High energy interior player --OR-- Rui- face up wing forward. Decent man D on opposing 3/4's
Bryant - Inside outside Big. High percentage scorer.

Outside shooting from AHol and Kispert gives Beal room to operate, run pick and roll/pick and pop with Bryant. Trez sets screens, picks, rolls hard, crashes glass. If Bryant's outside shot is hitting then there is more room for Beal and Trez to crash the interior while the opposing Bigs leave the paint. If Rui not Trez, then we can play 5 out on offense, and Rui's decent speed can get past opposing Bigs who chase him outside.

On Defense, Bryant stays at home near the paint, let Trez chase ranged bigs outside. Holiday slows the point of attack. With shooting and points elsewhere, and players like Kispert/KCP moving off the ball, Beal can spend a little more effort on D. But yeah this is not our best Defensive line.

2nd line ends up:
Ish? -- (ballhandler who can penetrate, veteran leadership) --OR-- Neto? (try hard outside shooting guard)
KCP -- outside shot, good in transition
Bertans/Kispert -- outside shot
Deni -- 2ndary playmaker especially in the open court
Gafford -- interior finisher

Outside shooters give space for Gafford inside, and options for Deni to pass to if his interior drive is blocked. On D Gafford erases mistakes, KCP is solid, Neto harasses players.

This is interesting. If we re-sign Neto, surely he would start over Holiday. He's by far the better player. (TBH, I didn't understand trading 22 for 31 & Holiday. Seems like we could have moved the pick to the Nets for 27 & 44 -- we could have gotten Jaden Springer & either Sharife Cooper or Kessler Edwards. Maybe that trade wasn't available? Something would have been....)

Harrell at PF I like -- that's where he played his first few years in the league. OTOH, it's important that Rui get 30-32 minutes. This is a big year for him.

Key point: with Russ gone, there will be a lot more shots available for the 3, 4 & 5. Clearly, Bryant can soak up a lot of them. & for sure it creates opportunity for Kispert to show what he's got right away.

I notice you don't include Mathews in your second unit. It'll be interesting to see what develops with him. We'd be nuts not to re-sign him -- even if only because he has some value as a trade piece. OTOH, if we do manage to trade Davis, his role will increase.

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