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Given the only guy to actually improve his shooting has been Embiid, I'm shocked the team doesn't push more players to Hanlen.

[Kobblehead]

Maybe his best case is Tyrese Haliburton.

You know Bruce Brown from the Piston/Nets?

Think of a better shooting Bruce Brown with more efficiency.

I think that's the best comparison I can think of.

6'4" 200 poundish strong defender who's a good passer. Springer is more talented than Brown and should be a much better shooter. But they share some similar body types and traits.

[Negrodamus]

I'm hoping he can become a Dejounte Murray. I'm not expecting that though.

[Kobblehead]

Murray was just so damn shifty and quick. I think Springer has more of a power game. Also, luckily, his shooting profile is miles ahead of what Murray's was.

[Black Mage]

Murray was just so damn shifty and quick. I think Springer has more of a power game. Also, luckily, his shooting profile is miles ahead of what Murray's was.

I think the Butler comp is a pretty good one.

[Skates]

Maybe his best case is Tyrese Haliburton.

You know Bruce Brown from the Piston/Nets?

Think of a better shooting Bruce Brown with more efficiency.

I think that's the best comparison I can think of.

6'4" 200 poundish strong defender who's a good passer. Springer is more talented than Brown and should be a much better shooter. But they share some similar body types and traits.

This sounds like a reasonable comparison at least in body type and defensive ability. I definitely don't see the Zhaire Smith comparisons, Smith was a leaper who played a bigger position and never transitioned to becoming a guard, was drafted more on pure athleticism. Smith was what the Phillies always drafted, a toolsy guy you had to try to teach skills to. Springer is more of an analytics favored guy whose athleticism was hopefully better in workouts than seen in the season when his ankle was hurt. Never going to be a star, but I hold out strong hope for a developing rotation player. My guess is he moves in a trade, his age and developmental timeline really don't fit unless they plan to have him spend a lot of time in the G-League this year, and move up into the rotation next year when Milton is likely moved.

One thing that seems to stand out from Morey's first two drafts is a first round emphasis on guys with extreme work ethics as their reputation in Maxey and Springer and projectable shooters or stock creators in Joe, Reed, Bassey and Petrusev in the second round.

[76ciology]

Just laying down WARP for reference.

Zhaire Smith 1.4 WARP
Jaden Springer .9 WARP

I think Zhaire has better analytics and that doesnt mean Springer is a worse prospect because there is way more things to consider than just flat out stats.

Zhaire comparison for me, could be different for others, is the way they move and their likely role in the league which is bruce brown type 3&D guard. Morey also described him as a 3&D guard.

“He's not 19 yet, already a productive player at Tennessee. We feel good about his ability to be a 3 and D player in this league - we all know how valuable they are."

[76ciology]

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Damned, just drafted and already got the yips

[HotelVitale]

He looks to have good body control and seems to be crafty with his driving

Actually, the more i watch him, the more he reminds me of Jimmy Butler: kinda stiff and upright, but strong upper body. Maybe that’s his best case. Looks like a tough kid.

Serious question: do you all look at late 1sts and think ‘hmm could become Lowry and butler’ or is that just some loose comparison talk?

Asking cuz I definitely look at almost all of them and think ‘if they improve at x and y they can maybe become a 5th-7th man.’ Wondering how bad at fan enjoyment I’ve become.

[76ciology]

He looks to have good body control and seems to be crafty with his driving

Actually, the more i watch him, the more he reminds me of Jimmy Butler: kinda stiff and upright, but strong upper body. Maybe that’s his best case. Looks like a tough kid.

Just realized it after you mentioned it. I think its because he also has some tricks to create space using his legs.

[blargh]

He looks to have good body control and seems to be crafty with his driving

Actually, the more i watch him, the more he reminds me of Jimmy Butler: kinda stiff and upright, but strong upper body. Maybe that’s his best case. Looks like a tough kid.

Serious question: do you all look at late 1sts and think ‘hmm could become Lowry and butler’ or is that just some loose comparison talk?

Asking cuz I definitely look at almost all of them and think ‘if they improve at x and y they can maybe become a 5th-7th man.’ Wondering how bad at fan enjoyment I’ve become.

It’s describing his best case, not his likely case. Certainly not expecting him to reach that.

[the_process]

Please God, I cannot bear to parse through more shooting videos. Get the kid away from Keith Williams before he gets the yips.

[DCasey91]

Different body type to Murray, Murray is well leaner (Springer is a thick butt boy that will help him lol).

FVV, Smart, Bigger Lowry though not as savvy, not Holiday as he seems to have a longer wingspan from the eye and Butler looks a tad taller/bigger.

An outcome of Smart with better know how on playing within his limitations on offense and less flop flop acting is a great outcome for us at pick 28. That’s a bargain.

The %’s of actually getting a productive player gets lower and lower the more you go down the draft order but that’s obvious.

We got value with the pick imo (Springer is more 20-25 imo because he’s that young and showed a lot of promise and legit production as a freshman). Also the coach spots and cultivates really good talent for the Pros.

I actually don’t mind it one bit. People on this board should back Jaden Springer in.

At the very least we got another guard and young talent prospect which we desperately need. Maxey and Springer? That’s two rocks in hand which is better then air.

And if both don’t hit their absolute potential, certainly by all reports won’t be from lack of trying or work ethic. Both seem like hard workers and great young men. Maxey showed legitimate improvement in his first year (shot base, his feet got closer together on release). Dude has the best handle on our team it’s mad impressive.

Patience!

[Marty McFly]

Congrats on the pick guys. I wanted the knicks to pick Jaden, but the knicks punted at #19. Kid has lots of potential. hopefully he sucks for you guys.

[Hussien Fatal]

Reminds me of Norman Powell a little bit.

[Kobblehead]

Don't be shocked if there's not a huge separation between Suggs and Springer at the next level. They share a lot of similarities in regards to size and skillsets. Springer's starter splits compare to Suggs, as well.

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https://www.the-looney-bin.com/nbadraft/the-jaden-springer-conundrum 


Really good breakdown of his skills. He has good size and looks like a pretty good defender, very strong.

If his 3 pt ball evolves maybe he can play with Maxey, as a sg( in spurts)? He's 6.4 so he has decent size for it. He's young, maybe he can grow a little bit

It seems he has potential as a 3 and D guard

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Given the only guy to actually improve his shooting has been Embiid, I'm shocked the team doesn't push more players to Hanlen.

Meh, Hanlen doesn't do anything magical, runs the same ish every competent trainer does. Any advantage he has might amount to a very small overall outcome, but he's not going to turn a bad shooter into a good one or whisper the right words to make you jump like 10% in 3pt shooting over a summer. Your body has to learn how to shoot the ball efficiently and your brain has to learn how to shoot it accurately. It either does that or doesn't, but there's nothing more a shot doc does than give you some tips and tell you when something looks wrong, and then just have you practice for endless hours.