Suggs reportedly had a bad workout with the Raptors

[Raps in 4]

Reminiscent of the fultz workout with Celtics, had a bad day and they traded down. Raptors didn't have the trade down option available seemingly.

Normally I don't like passing on guys for bad workouts, but it worked out for Boston. Let's hope it works out for us too.

[WaltFrazier]

I’m honestly kind of confused at this pick, it has nothing to do with Barnes but when I look at everything as a whole, I’m kind of disappointed. The front office has obviously proved themselves and I’ll give them the full benefit of the doubt, but and I’ll list the reasons as to why I’m feeling the way I am.

1) Lowry is almost 100% gone and we’re linked to players like Lonzo and Dinwiddie for crying out loud, it’s obvious the front office doesn’t view FVV as the long term starting PG. I’m not saying FVV is going to be traded or that’s a ding on him, it’s just that he’s more valuable when you have a starting caliber PG alongside him, like a Lowry. I would have much rather taken Suggs over paying Lonzo or Spencer 20 mil plus. The alternative is forcing Fred to become a pass first PG or hoping Flynn becomes the next Lowry. We literally have a massive hole at our previously strongest position.

2) I really doubt Raps are going to give Barnes a lot of PG duties, if that’s the case, at this point, he’s completely useless as a player standing around waiting for FVV to pass it to him, considering he can’t do much offensively. It’s pretty much the 76ers situation without an MVP caliber player offsetting the lack of offense. We’ve all witnessed the beauty of McCaw and Johnson, that’s what we’re getting for awhile.

2) Barnes is super raw and when games mattered most (in 3 post season games) he shrunk. Dude averaged 6 points 3 assists 2 rebounds and almost 4 turnovers. In his first 2 of the postseason, he was scared to shoot, taking a whopping 4 shots total. His 3rd game, he took 11 shots and made 4. The Raps as constructed really do not need an all defence no offence guy. There is no indication that Barnes is going to develop a passable offensive game anytime soon, anyone can go into the gym and drain a few wide open jumpers. Young players who can’t shot or have 0 offensive game usually don’t come into the NBA and become MJ right away.

3) This is going to be another confusing season, we absolutely did not get better in any position. We are losing Lowry, most likely without getting anything back and half our team is win now and the other half is a few years away. I’m not saying Suggs is going to be a Lowry replacement, especially his first year but I’m almost 100% certain he would have helped with the loss of Lowry more then Barnes will in the first year. Masai and company have some super hard decisions to make coming up. This squad is a mess and the older guys and fans are going to become real tired after a season or 2. I’m fine with a complete rebuild, picking Barnes is kind of an indication that’s the direction they chose but I don’t want the front office pretending we are still competitive at this point.

I went into this tanking season thinking it was going to be a quick turnaround, boy was I wrong. Buckle up kids, this is going to be a messy long rodeo. Your going to see a lot of ups and downs and possibly a lot of drastic changes coming the Raps way. Either way, welcome Barnes and I hope he lives up to his potential.

Awesome summary. That's the main reason I'm so upset, I don't want another whole year of waiting to compete. It's ugly to watch and there's no guarantee next year's lottery will pan out. Suggs would have helped with the "quick turnaround' like you said.

[Public_Enemy101]

lol that would be a trash tier move to do that to any kid. I'd be pretty disappointed with the organization if they did that

I'm optimistic about the Barnes pick and looking forward to how this plays out - kinda reminds me of nostalgia of craptors realgm era when all we had to look forward to was obsessively breaking down summerleague play and seeing rookies develop during the season

But this board needs to move on from Suggs in both thinking about 'what coulda been' as well as **** on the kid to justify taking a chance on Barnes

Would make a great Dave Chappele episode

I can already picture Dave in a Gonzaga jersey smoking a cigarette and dribbling around his left leg with his off hand.

[tecumseh18]

I’m honestly kind of confused at this pick, it has nothing to do with Barnes but when I look at everything as a whole, I’m kind of disappointed. The front office has obviously proved themselves and I’ll give them the full benefit of the doubt, but and I’ll list the reasons as to why I’m feeling the way I am.

1) Lowry is almost 100% gone and we’re linked to players like Lonzo and Dinwiddie for crying out loud, it’s obvious the front office doesn’t view FVV as the long term starting PG. I’m not saying FVV is going to be traded or that’s a ding on him, it’s just that he’s more valuable when you have a starting caliber PG alongside him, like a Lowry. I would have much rather taken Suggs over paying Lonzo or Spencer 20 mil plus. The alternative is forcing Fred to become a pass first PG or hoping Flynn becomes the next Lowry. We literally have a massive hole at our previously strongest position.

2) I really doubt Raps are going to give Barnes a lot of PG duties, if that’s the case, at this point, he’s completely useless as a player standing around waiting for FVV to pass it to him, considering he can’t do much offensively. It’s pretty much the 76ers situation without an MVP caliber player offsetting the lack of offense. We’ve all witnessed the beauty of McCaw and Johnson, that’s what we’re getting for awhile.

2) Barnes is super raw and when games mattered most (in 3 post season games) he shrunk. Dude averaged 6 points 3 assists 2 rebounds and almost 4 turnovers. In his first 2 of the postseason, he was scared to shoot, taking a whopping 4 shots total. His 3rd game, he took 11 shots and made 4. The Raps as constructed really do not need an all defence no offence guy. There is no indication that Barnes is going to develop a passable offensive game anytime soon, anyone can go into the gym and drain a few wide open jumpers. Young players who can’t shot or have 0 offensive game usually don’t come into the NBA and become MJ right away.

3) This is going to be another confusing season, we absolutely did not get better in any position. We are losing Lowry, most likely without getting anything back and half our team is win now and the other half is a few years away. I’m not saying Suggs is going to be a Lowry replacement, especially his first year but I’m almost 100% certain he would have helped with the loss of Lowry more then Barnes will in the first year. Masai and company have some super hard decisions to make coming up. This squad is a mess and the older guys and fans are going to become real tired after a season or 2. I’m fine with a complete rebuild, picking Barnes is kind of an indication that’s the direction they chose but I don’t want the front office pretending we are still competitive at this point.

I went into this tanking season thinking it was going to be a quick turnaround, boy was I wrong. Buckle up kids, this is going to be a messy long rodeo. Your going to see a lot of ups and downs and possibly a lot of drastic changes coming the Raps way. Either way, welcome Barnes and I hope he lives up to his potential.

Awesome summary. That's the main reason I'm so upset, I don't want another whole year of waiting to compete. It's ugly to watch and there's no guarantee next year's lottery will pan out. Suggs would have helped with the "quick turnaround' like you said.

Agreed. Awesome summary of exactly the wrong way to look at this team. Raps are slowly turning into Nick's vision of how a winning basketball team should look. Let's give one of the elite coaches in the league a chance to put his stamp on the Raptors.

[Roco14]

The question now becomes - was he playing 4D chess and chose to workout and look bad on purpose? An argument can be made that his odds of being drafted by us would've been higher if he had no workout at all.

Quit pulling **** out of your ass.

0 evidence of that.

wtf are you smoking? I simply asked the question and didn't make any claims... Since many people said he looked excited to not get picked by the raps. Weirdo.

[ac1011990]

I’m honestly kind of confused at this pick, it has nothing to do with Barnes but when I look at everything as a whole, I’m kind of disappointed. The front office has obviously proved themselves and I’ll give them the full benefit of the doubt, but and I’ll list the reasons as to why I’m feeling the way I am.

1) Lowry is almost 100% gone and we’re linked to players like Lonzo and Dinwiddie for crying out loud, it’s obvious the front office doesn’t view FVV as the long term starting PG. I’m not saying FVV is going to be traded or that’s a ding on him, it’s just that he’s more valuable when you have a starting caliber PG alongside him, like a Lowry. I would have much rather taken Suggs over paying Lonzo or Spencer 20 mil plus. The alternative is forcing Fred to become a pass first PG or hoping Flynn becomes the next Lowry. We literally have a massive hole at our previously strongest position.

2) I really doubt Raps are going to give Barnes a lot of PG duties, if that’s the case, at this point, he’s completely useless as a player standing around waiting for FVV to pass it to him, considering he can’t do much offensively. It’s pretty much the 76ers situation without an MVP caliber player offsetting the lack of offense. We’ve all witnessed the beauty of McCaw and Johnson, that’s what we’re getting for awhile.

2) Barnes is super raw and when games mattered most (in 3 post season games) he shrunk. Dude averaged 6 points 3 assists 2 rebounds and almost 4 turnovers. In his first 2 of the postseason, he was scared to shoot, taking a whopping 4 shots total. His 3rd game, he took 11 shots and made 4. The Raps as constructed really do not need an all defence no offence guy. There is no indication that Barnes is going to develop a passable offensive game anytime soon, anyone can go into the gym and drain a few wide open jumpers. Young players who can’t shot or have 0 offensive game usually don’t come into the NBA and become MJ right away.

3) This is going to be another confusing season, we absolutely did not get better in any position. We are losing Lowry, most likely without getting anything back and half our team is win now and the other half is a few years away. I’m not saying Suggs is going to be a Lowry replacement, especially his first year but I’m almost 100% certain he would have helped with the loss of Lowry more then Barnes will in the first year. Masai and company have some super hard decisions to make coming up. This squad is a mess and the older guys and fans are going to become real tired after a season or 2. I’m fine with a complete rebuild, picking Barnes is kind of an indication that’s the direction they chose but I don’t want the front office pretending we are still competitive at this point.

I went into this tanking season thinking it was going to be a quick turnaround, boy was I wrong. Buckle up kids, this is going to be a messy long rodeo. Your going to see a lot of ups and downs and possibly a lot of drastic changes coming the Raps way. Either way, welcome Barnes and I hope he lives up to his potential.

Awesome summary. That's the main reason I'm so upset, I don't want another whole year of waiting to compete. It's ugly to watch and there's no guarantee next year's lottery will pan out. Suggs would have helped with the "quick turnaround' like you said.

Agreed. Awesome summary of exactly the wrong way to look at this team. Raps are slowly turning into Nick's vision of how a winning basketball team should look. Let's give one of the elite coaches in the league a chance to put his stamp on the Raptors.

What part of what I said was wrong… maybe elaborate instead of saying I’m completely wrong? These are real problems going into the season, it’s kind of obvious. We will have a huge hole at PG, our team will struggle to hit 100 points on many nights and we have a win now vs develop for the future issue that’s going to rear it’s ugly head. There are already rumblings of Siakam being upset with the organization, I have no idea if that’s true or not but there is no way, as constructed, this team will make any noise in the playoffs (if they even get there). An all defence no offense team is not how a winning team looks, we’ve seen the opposite of that falling flat (Nets playing all offence) what makes you think being a one dimensional team is winning anything. Nurse literally looked like he was having an aneurysm half the season, without Lowry, the dude might actually keel over mid season.

Look, I get the hype with Barnes I really hope he pans out and we’ve got a superstar in the making but all this talk about his shot changing drastically in the last few months means nothing till he hits the court. OG is still developing into a good offensive player and he was miles better then Barnes on that end. This dude is a project and honestly, I’m ok with that as long as we fully commit to this. No half assing things and yanking Barnes for mistakes he makes. If our front office wants to draft a raw, full of potential guy, then give these young dudes the reigns and see what we got,

[RoyceDa59]

Suggs sucks. Dime a dozen ‘star guard’, I mean, look around the league.

Every team has 2 guards similar/better than a Suggs.

He’s average size for a guard at 6’4, average athleticism by NBA standards, average shooter.

[PANDABREAD]

We always say to draft the best player but some are saying that they should've drafted Suggs because Kyle is most likely leaving and we need a PG. If we're thinking it then i bet that the management is too so I would say that if this is the case then it's a sign that they drafted in their minds the best player at #4.

Also let's face it, Suggs didn't have a chance from the start because Masai can't resist short shorts.

[tecumseh18]

Suggs sucks. Dime a dozen ‘star guard’, I mean, look around the league.

Every team has 2 guards similar/better than a Suggs.

He’s average size for a guard at 6’4, average athleticism by NBA standards, average shooter.

Jeff. Teague. That is the probable career arc for Suggs. A fine pro in his day, who in retrospect could have been taken earlier than #19 in 2009 (two slots after Jrue Holiday).

Of course, there's the shorter Brandon Roy upside the team that drafted him would be hoping for. And he can defend at the point of attack, so maybe the Holiday comparison is apt. Not bad. But not ... GREAT.

[ATLTimekeeper]

This is most likely false. The Raptors have no incentive to leak this, because it means their entire decision was based on the workout portion, and if Suggs ends up better than Barnes they'd look like fools. Also that the workout was criticized for bad shooting, but they preferred a guy like Barnes who shot the ball poorly in college (and they're willing to work with him and wait).

Second, I have a hard time buying that someone who works for the Raptors would risk their job by leaking workout information on reddit. At best we have Ryan Wolstat say he heard the same thing from someone not connected to the Raptors at all?

This is a case of people inventing stuff to rationalize.

[Kreamy]

In case it wasn't posted, Suggs clearly wanted to be here.

Read on Twitter

[tecumseh18]

What part of what I said was wrong… maybe elaborate instead of saying I’m completely wrong? These are real problems going into the season, it’s kind of obvious. We will have a huge hole at PG, our team will struggle to hit 100 points on many nights and we have a win now vs develop for the future issue that’s going to rear it’s ugly head. There are already rumblings of Siakam being upset with the organization, I have no idea if that’s true or not but there is no way, as constructed, this team will make any noise in the playoffs (if they even get there). An all defence no offense team is not how a winning team looks, we’ve seen the opposite of that falling flat (Nets playing all offence) what makes you think being a one dimensional team is winning anything. Nurse literally looked like he was having an aneurysm half the season, without Lowry, the dude might actually keel over mid season.

Look, I get the hype with Barnes I really hope he pans out and we’ve got a superstar in the making but all this talk about his shot changing drastically in the last few months means nothing till he hits the court. OG is still developing into a good offensive player and he was miles better then Barnes on that end. This dude is a project and honestly, I’m ok with that as long as we fully commit to this. No half assing things and yanking Barnes for mistakes he makes. If our front office wants to draft a raw, full of potential guy, then give these young dudes the reigns and see what we got,

Who was the first Raptors guy to talk to the media after the draft? Answer: Nick Nurse.
Who is Nurse's favourite all-time Raptor (in inverse proportion to their lack of talent)? Answer: Pat McCaw.

Raptors were never going to outscore the Nets next season. And, assuming Nets are healthy, Nurse wasn't going to Box and 1 them. Something that someone said in the last two days resonated - Raps want to be able to do low risk switching. It doesn't help for a long, range-y defender to get switched-off a star. Having two long, range-y defenders (OG and Pascal) helps, but what happens if you're facing KD+Kyrie+Harden? Or a Giannis who is better than he was in 2019, and has better complementary players? I think Barnes himself talked about the benefits of having OG, Pascal AND him when going up a team with three superstars.

Nick Nurse has taken over construction of this team. Are we trying to win next year? Of course. Nurse is usually coaching to win - e.g. he was coaching to win that last Orlando game without Kyle, Fred, OG or Pascal. (But Watson and Yuta combined for 50, and Raps beat the Magic.) We weren't necessarily trying to tank around that time, we were trying to develop the players, and it was upper level management's decision as to whether the stars would play or not. Raps wanted to see what they had on the bench going into next season.

That development focus will continue into next season, especially with Pascal out for the first month or so. Raps are going to develop Barnes, while holding him accountable on defence. That seems to be his calling card, so it shouldn't be a problem. Recall that Pascal started games in the first 20-30 games of his rookie season, before finally being sent down to the G-League. But Barnes will stay with the big club all season, and try to get into rhythm shooting 3s (as Pascal did in his second season). As a much more talented version of McCaw, Barnes will get all the minutes he wants from Nurse.

Lowry's not coming back. Nurse never wants to run out the two/too small PG lineup again. Fred, Pascal, OG and Barnes will take turns bringing the ball up. And a LOT of offence will come in transition, because all four of those guys can really dig in on the ball handler and force TOs. If Lowry can be signed and traded to NO for Lonzo, then Raps would be a crazy defence to play against. It will be like the 90s Nets - winning 92 to 85 most nights. Some losses, and I think more wins.

The fascinating issue is what to do at C. Birch is OK, depending on the matchup, but even a guy like Baynes helped to shut Embiid down in that Sixers mini-series. If Raps really are going for Lonzo, it's a sign that they simply don't believe in over-investing in a centre in today's game. They'll just split the MLE between Birch and a random big body (Cody Zeller?). But Portis looked really good moving his feet on the perimeter in Game 6 of the Finals, and making those shots, so maybe he (or Kelly O, or Theis) gets the full MLE and Raps try to sign Birch with the BAE. But my guess is that Kyle walks for nothing and Raptors use cap space and the room exception to round out the C rotation.

Anyway, I'm not going to even attempt to rebut your Negative Nancy thesis on a point-by-point basis. The selection of Barnes shows that the Post-Kawhi, post-Lowry Raptors are on a different, long-term trajectory - with the goal of having the most ferocious defence in the league. It may not all come together next season. But eventually it will.

[Raptaurus]

Bad workout = don't draft me. These days agents are very smooth. When was the last time a player didn't want to go somewhere (near top of draft)? Can't remember? They have other methods now.

It’s possible Suggs didn’t want to come here but Suggs “throwing” a workout would be a bad idea. Your draft stock could take a hit and the amount of your guaranteed $$$ would drop. Even quite a few of these lottery guys flame out of the league and this contract could be the only NBA money they are gonna get.

And it’s not like Suggs is from sunny SoCal or Miami or even Atlanta for that matter. He’s from Saint Paul and played college ball in Spokane. The weather and city life there is not better or even worse than Toronto.

[SHFT]

Lmao.

Because picking the guy with a higher ceiling, even though he has a lower floor, is "short sighted".

I don't think you know what that term means.


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[ac1011990]

What part of what I said was wrong… maybe elaborate instead of saying I’m completely wrong? These are real problems going into the season, it’s kind of obvious. We will have a huge hole at PG, our team will struggle to hit 100 points on many nights and we have a win now vs develop for the future issue that’s going to rear it’s ugly head. There are already rumblings of Siakam being upset with the organization, I have no idea if that’s true or not but there is no way, as constructed, this team will make any noise in the playoffs (if they even get there). An all defence no offense team is not how a winning team looks, we’ve seen the opposite of that falling flat (Nets playing all offence) what makes you think being a one dimensional team is winning anything. Nurse literally looked like he was having an aneurysm half the season, without Lowry, the dude might actually keel over mid season.

Look, I get the hype with Barnes I really hope he pans out and we’ve got a superstar in the making but all this talk about his shot changing drastically in the last few months means nothing till he hits the court. OG is still developing into a good offensive player and he was miles better then Barnes on that end. This dude is a project and honestly, I’m ok with that as long as we fully commit to this. No half assing things and yanking Barnes for mistakes he makes. If our front office wants to draft a raw, full of potential guy, then give these young dudes the reigns and see what we got,

Who was the first Raptors guy to talk to the media after the draft? Answer: Nick Nurse.
Who is Nurse's favourite all-time Raptor (in inverse proportion to their lack of talent)? Answer: Pat McCaw.

Raptors were never going to outscore the Nets next season. And, assuming Nets are healthy, Nurse wasn't going to Box and 1 them. Something that someone said in the last two days resonated - Raps want to be able to do low risk switching. It doesn't help for a long, range-y defender to get switched-off a star. Having two long, range-y defenders (OG and Pascal) helps, but what happens if you're facing KD+Kyrie+Harden? Or a Giannis who is better than he was in 2019, and has better complementary players? I think Barnes himself talked about the benefits of having OG, Pascal AND him when going up a team with three superstars.

Nick Nurse has taken over construction of this team. Are we trying to win next year? Of course. Nurse is usually coaching to win - e.g. he was coaching to win that last Orlando game without Kyle, Fred, OG or Pascal. (But Watson and Yuta combined for 50, and Raps beat the Magic.) We weren't necessarily trying to tank around that time, we were trying to develop the players, and it was upper level management's decision as to whether the stars would play or not. Raps wanted to see what they had on the bench going into next season.

That development focus will continue into next season, especially with Pascal out for the first month or so. Raps are going to develop Barnes, while holding him accountable on defence. That seems to be his calling card, so it shouldn't be a problem. Recall that Pascal started games in the first 20-30 games of his rookie season, before finally being sent down to the G-League. But Barnes will stay with the big club all season, and try to get into rhythm shooting 3s (as Pascal did in his second season). As a much more talented version of McCaw, Barnes will get all the minutes he wants from Nurse.

Lowry's not coming back. Nurse never wants to run out the two/too small PG lineup again. Fred, Pascal, OG and Barnes will take turns bringing the ball up. And a LOT of offence will come in transition, because all four of those guys can really dig in on the ball handler and force TOs. If Lowry can be signed and traded to NO for Lonzo, then Raps would be a crazy defence to play against. It will be like the 90s Nets - winning 92 to 85 most nights. Some losses, and I think more wins.

The fascinating issue is what to do at C. Birch is OK, depending on the matchup, but even a guy like Baynes helped to shut Embiid down in that Sixers mini-series. If Raps really are going for Lonzo, it's a sign that they simply don't believe in over-investing in a centre in today's game. They'll just split the MLE between Birch and a random big body (Cody Zeller?). But Portis looked really good moving his feet on the perimeter in Game 6 of the Finals, and making those shots, so maybe he (or Kelly O, or Theis) gets the full MLE and Raps try to sign Birch with the BAE. But my guess is that Kyle walks for nothing and Raptors use cap space and the room exception to round out the C rotation.

Anyway, I'm not going to even attempt to rebut your Negative Nancy thesis on a point-by-point basis. The selection of Barnes shows that the Post-Kawhi, post-Lowry Raptors are on a different, long-term trajectory - with the goal of having the most ferocious defence in the league. It may not all come together next season. But eventually it will.

Yes yes, me having feelings that are different then yours means I’m a negative nancy. Cool, the raps will be monsters in transition and on defence during the regular season but that’s going to go to **** in the playoffs. Like I said, I’m fine without Lonzo, I’d much rather just throw a blank cheque at Lowry. Lowry wasn’t the problem with our midget backcourt, it’s the guy who pounds the ball for 20 secs and looks off of wide open players. Fred isn’t a starting PG, ideally he’s a 6th man but we all know that will never happen. At this point I just want a total rebuild. We have good young pieces but this team doesn’t make any sense. You might be able to win 92 to 85 against teams like the Timberwolves but no defence is going to stop the superstars of the league, not enough to the point where our anemic offence will score more then them.

Either way, I’ve warmed up to the idea of Barnes. I really hope he works out and becomes the superstar we are hoping for. I’m going into this season to watch our young guys develop.

[JN]

If the Raptors had picked Suggs it is 100% a sure thing thAt Steelo and Pooh would be stating that the Raps were stupid to make the pick since it was reported before the draft that he had a poor workout. That’s the way they roll.

[Stromile12]

I don't see why Suggs would throw a workout, just to come back and do another one

[Los_29]

Awesome summary. That's the main reason I'm so upset, I don't want another whole year of waiting to compete. It's ugly to watch and there's no guarantee next year's lottery will pan out. Suggs would have helped with the "quick turnaround' like you said.

Agreed. Awesome summary of exactly the wrong way to look at this team. Raps are slowly turning into Nick's vision of how a winning basketball team should look. Let's give one of the elite coaches in the league a chance to put his stamp on the Raptors.

What part of what I said was wrong… maybe elaborate instead of saying I’m completely wrong? These are real problems going into the season, it’s kind of obvious. We will have a huge hole at PG, our team will struggle to hit 100 points on many nights and we have a win now vs develop for the future issue that’s going to rear it’s ugly head. There are already rumblings of Siakam being upset with the organization, I have no idea if that’s true or not but there is no way, as constructed, this team will make any noise in the playoffs (if they even get there). An all defence no offense team is not how a winning team looks, we’ve seen the opposite of that falling flat (Nets playing all offence) what makes you think being a one dimensional team is winning anything. Nurse literally looked like he was having an aneurysm half the season, without Lowry, the dude might actually keel over mid season.

Look, I get the hype with Barnes I really hope he pans out and we’ve got a superstar in the making but all this talk about his shot changing drastically in the last few months means nothing till he hits the court. OG is still developing into a good offensive player and he was miles better then Barnes on that end. This dude is a project and honestly, I’m ok with that as long as we fully commit to this. No half assing things and yanking Barnes for mistakes he makes. If our front office wants to draft a raw, full of potential guy, then give these young dudes the reigns and see what we got,

You never draft for need. You always draft BPA. The Raptors felt like Barnes was the BPA and apparently they weren't alone as many other teams had Barnes in their top 4 and some even had him at #3.

The problem is you're seeing this is as a sprint and not a marathon. Suggs would've filled more of a need but from all accounts his ceiling is far lower.

OG was not miles better as a shooter than Barnes. He shot 47% from the FT line in his freshman season. Siakam also couldn't shoot and was 2-3 years older than Barnes was. And I mentioned this previously, Kawhi shot 20% from the 3pt line in his freshman season. In his sophmore season he shot 27%. Not only does Barnes have an incredibly high ceiling but his floor is also very high. Even if he never improves his jumpshot (which is highly unlikely), the guy is still going to be a very solid player in this league because of what he can do on the court.

[CANsportsguru]

Suggs has a much easier road to win ROY down in Orlando then he does with us. He'd get much more playing time with the magic even if we S&T Lowry. Suggs looked elated that we pick Barnes and he was going to Orlando. Still don't think he threw the workout intentionally.

[djsunyc]

Lmao damage control. This is embarrassing, I should post all the Suggs is the greatest Raptor comments from the draft thread. Raps fans are only now turning on Suggs because he wasn’t the pick. No need to bash the guy because just because we didn’t pick him.

Ya I hate this. People are really on Masai's nuts thinking that he and the FO can do no wrong

Yup the classic appeal to authority crowd. According to half our board we have no right to criticize the FO because they won us a ring.

Not saying we shouldn't give Masai & Co the benefit of the doubt for this pick, but no FO in this league is ever perfect and its fair to criticize them

ok...so let's look at this.

a fan wants suggs and goes all in on suggs. meanwhile the best drafting and development org decides to take someone else and the fan gets angry.

but instead of some self reflection and actually asking themselves..."hey wait a min. the best drafting and development org thought someone else wouls be better. maybe barnes is?"...its continued anger towards not taking the player they wanted.

this isnt about the raptors not taking suggs...its about the inability to overcome one's own ego.