Lauri Markkanen Thread: PG. 13 - KC: Bulls Extend QO to Lauri

[GoBlue72391]

Might mean we're planning on letting Arci go. I'm guessing Dotson will be cheaper.

I think it's all but a given that we'll decline Archi's $3M team option, but I could see us re-signing him for the vet minimum for depth and morale purposes.

To me, this suggests that we're likely picking Dotson over Arch. There's no point in having both of them (unless Arch is replacing Sato).

Well I assume Dotson is returning on another two-way contract.

[Repeat 3-peat]

The Bulls were trying to compete, so a undrafted rookie isn't going to see the floor but Dotson has the talent to be a future contributor off the bench Imo. Lighting quick first step and competes on defense.

[Swuul]

Seems I was quite wrong assuming Lauri would take the QO. So much for my "expertise" on that matter...

[sco]

The Dotson offer is weird

Maybe they want to include him in another deal and need his salary? Or maybe they keeping him as a safety net they strike out this off season on a pg.

Right? very weird. I guess the could revoke it, but it definitely smacks of a cap/trade related move.

[MrSparkle]

It was my hunch earlier and moves seems to be hinting that way; I think Bulls are gonna work over the cap and try to get s&t or value for every possible guy.. which is smarter than waiving and eating salary, shedding 3+ rotation players to sign a mediocre FA at top dollar.

This is what every good FO has routinely done the last 20 years, except GarPax.

[Chi town]

It was my hunch earlier and moves seems to be hinting that way; I think Bulls are gonna work over the cap and try to get s&t or value for every possible guy.. which is smarter than waiving and eating salary, shedding 3+ rotation players to sign a mediocre FA at top dollar.

This is what every good FO has routinely done the last 20 years, except GarPax.

So how does that play out? Who do they get and who do they trade?

[sco]

It was my hunch earlier and moves seems to be hinting that way; I think Bulls are gonna work over the cap and try to get s&t or value for every possible guy.. which is smarter than waiving and eating salary, shedding 3+ rotation players to sign a mediocre FA at top dollar.

This is what every good FO has routinely done the last 20 years, except GarPax.

So how does that play out? Who do they get and who do they trade?

Wondering same?

[gardenofsound]

Was listening to the Lowe Post. Lakers wanted Hield, Can S&T Schroeder but cannot receive a S&T…

Sac out: Hield, Bagley
Sac In: Markkanen, Satoransky?

LAL out: Schroeder S&T
LAL In: Hield

CHI Out: Markkanen S&T, Sato
CHI In: Schroeder, Bagley

I think Sacramento needs more sweetener but does this work? Hield would be a great fit in LA… they need more shooting.

[Michael Jackson]

Was listening to the Lowe Post. Lakers wanted Hield, Can S&T Schroeder but cannot receive a S&T…

Sac out: Hield, Bagley
Sac In: Markkanen, Satoransky?

LAL out: Schroeder S&T
LAL In: Hield

CHI Out: Markkanen S&T, Sato
CHI In: Schroeder, Bagley

I think Sacramento needs more sweetener but does this work? Hield would be a great fit in LA… they need more shooting.

Why would they trade Bagley? I know why they would but why just include him in this deal? Makes more sense to give him another year to see if he can prove healthy at this point than give him away on a negative value IMHO. I don't like the trade on any level but it makes some sense.

[Chi town]

Lauri for Powell/Kleber and Brunson?

[sco]

Lauri for Powell/Kleber and Brunson?

NFW Dallas does that.

[Chi town]

Lauri for Powell/Kleber and Brunson?

NFW Dallas does that.

Thad for a combo of their PFs?

Powell makes 11M
Kleber 8M
Finney Smith 4M

[Pax for Prez]

Feels like Sato and Thad trades are coming

At least Sato. I don't feel like Thad getting traded. But hey, who knows right!?

Theis>Thad. Vuc does what Thad did at higher level. We need Theis defense.

The Rockets are expected to bring on center Daniel Theis, perhaps landing the veteran via sign-and-trade through an $8 million trade exception.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

[MGB8]

At least Sato. I don't feel like Thad getting traded. But hey, who knows right!?

Theis>Thad. Vuc does what Thad did at higher level. We need Theis defense.

The Rockets are expected to bring on center Daniel Theis, perhaps landing the veteran via sign-and-trade through an $8 million trade exception.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

If Theis is going to get 8M, why would Bulls do that?

[dougthonus]

Ah, I see. For my scenario to work, Lauri would have to accept the QO before we sign Lonzo, which as you said is highly unlikely to happen. Isn't there some obscure loophole where we could renounce Lauri, only to, I guess, de-nounce him later and offer him the QO? I swear someone posted that here the other day.

We wouldn't have the room under the cap to offer him the QO late, and I believe that rule is only if Lonzo was matched not if he joins the team. We could still sign him for the QO amount after Lonzo, but after that point he wouldn't be restricted and could take a 1 year deal anywhere and would probably find a 2 year deal at the MLE with a player option if he really wanted.

I found a way for my scenario to still happen, but its dependent upon trading all three of Thad, Sato, and Aminu for cap space, Lonzo willing to sign a 4-year/$69M contract, and Lauri then accepting the QO, all of which is unlikely. This is pipe dream level though, as in this situation we're able to sign Lonzo, keep Theis, Lauri, and Temple, and add Doug McDermott: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=5270413276104a49458c5a439306941

Anything where you have Lauri on the QO and sign someone else is really just a pipe dream due to the timing issue I mentioned again. It's technically possible, but impossible from a practical standpoint when you look at how FA has played out. There are never big FAs out after a week, and no one ever signs the QO unless they think they have absolutely no job market until October. Lauri can get offers above the OQ if the Bulls renounce him and knows it, so he isn't going to do that.

[CaPiTanAK]

Theis>Thad. Vuc does what Thad did at higher level. We need Theis defense.

The Rockets are expected to bring on center Daniel Theis, perhaps landing the veteran via sign-and-trade through an $8 million trade exception.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

If Theis is going to get 8M, why would Bulls do that?

I would do it if they give us the right to JT Thor.

[kodo]

It was my hunch earlier and moves seems to be hinting that way; I think Bulls are gonna work over the cap and try to get s&t or value for every possible guy.. which is smarter than waiving and eating salary, shedding 3+ rotation players to sign a mediocre FA at top dollar.

This is what every good FO has routinely done the last 20 years, except GarPax.

What, you weren't a fan of the Dwayne Wade and Jabari Parker big signings? They were big you know.

[ChettheJet]

Even if you want to value Thad over Theis, it's just for one year. By 23 and 24 Theis still 4 years younger is worth a lot more. The same really applies to Dotson over Arci. Dotson didn't get much action for the Bulls but he played in the G League so the team got plenty of time to evaluate what he can do. They've seen Arci, he's not going to get bigger, faster, shoot better, he's at his peak and it's just not that great so there's zero risk of keeping Dotson instead of him and believing that the 2nd year much more athletic kid could improve.

Extending the QO to Lauri sets one path for the next move, the same applies to guaranteeing Thad and Satoransky. I sure don't know what's at the end of that path but the Bulls know where each move could lead them and like most other teams they have much of what's going top happen already talked through and maybe waiting to be sealed up.

[bulls_troy]

Theis>Thad. Vuc does what Thad did at higher level. We need Theis defense.

The Rockets are expected to bring on center Daniel Theis, perhaps landing the veteran via sign-and-trade through an $8 million trade exception.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

If Theis is going to get 8M, why would Bulls do that?

Wouldn't the Bulls just sign him to that?

[thedarkstark]

if we let Theis go I'm going to be pretty upset.