Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

iLLmatic860 · Post #1381 » by **iLLmatic860** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:57 pm

What time can we sign free agents tommorow

WargamesX · Post #1382 » by **WargamesX** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:01 pm

DowNY wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Evan Fournier .. blah

Yep, I won’t go over a 1 year or 2 year (with 2nd being a team option)

That’s what I hope it is. A contract worth more than he would get in the market, but short so we can still go Star hunting next year.

TBD PG
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Mitch

All I know is that **** better not try to pull that “google my name” stunt when he comes here

DaGawd · Post #1383 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:01 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:What time can we sign free agents tommorow

Starts Monday I believe

Polk377 · Post #1384 » by **Polk377** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:03 pm

DaGawd wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:What time can we sign free agents tommorow

Starts Monday I believe

Still starting at midnight or did they change the official time?

iLLmatic860 · Post #1385 » by **iLLmatic860** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:09 pm

Polk377 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:What time can we sign free agents tommorow

Starts Monday I believe

Still starting at midnight or did they change the official time?

Aww ****. Thought its tommorow. It’s Monday 6pm

DaGawd · Post #1386 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:13 pm

Polk377 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:What time can we sign free agents tommorow

Starts Monday I believe

Still starting at midnight or did they change the official time?

Monday 6pm

thebuzzardman · Post #1387 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:17 pm

A quick thought on the statement "Knicks won't get bogged down with RFA's since it might screw them over, as teams could wait to match, Knicks left holding the bag". I'm paraphrasing some pundit here.

I don't really buy it. I mean, sure, if the situation is a straight RFA thing, yeah. But most RFA stuff winds up being a S&T situation. Original team knows player isn't coming back, gets a little something out of the situation, maintains relations with the player/agent/fellow GM's.

I mean, I guess there is the "hostile takeover RFA offer" where a team just tries to snatch a player, but I don't think it'll go like that.

If the Knicks want Ball, they'll S&T with the Pelicans and the Pels will get something. I get the cap matters, so there is where intel on the other team's intentions goes. Knicks make an offer knowing the Pels won't match or f*ck around. For instance. I'm not saying Ball is the #1 target.

Maybe regarding the wing player they clearly need they are more likely to go UFA and not strike out. That's if they aren't saving for 2022.

seren · Post #1388 » by **seren** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:18 pm

Technically speaking, there is no signing on Monday at 6 pm. That is when players are allowed to start having negotiations with other teams. Obviously, magically, most come to agreement within a minute or so after negotiations are allowed to start

nykballa2k4 · Post #1389 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:18 pm

snadler wrote:Rumors of Ball wanting 4 yrs 80 million..

Ball is a good starting point guard, triple double threat, plays defense, reliable shooter. 20M/year is a bargain.
Dennis Schroder turned town a similar deal, can't play defense, streaky on offense, and has resting @$$ hole face.

Marty McFly · Post #1390 » by **Marty McFly** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:23 pm

they should sign Paul if they can. I don't want to hear **** about a timeline considering this team wants to compete and isn't looking to score a franchise player through the draft. the suns core is younger than ours anyway and we're not going to get anyone great in FA this off season nor the next. **** a pipe dream.

malik959 · Post #1391 » by **malik959** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:25 pm

I don’t see us going for Schroder due to his lack of defense, he would be in Thibs doghouse day 1. Schroder is a 6th man and should never be given the keys to a car.

Juco24 · Post #1392 » by **Juco24** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:25 pm

snadler wrote:Rumors of Ball wanting 4 yrs 80 million..

Source?

Richard4444 · Post #1393 » by **Richard4444** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:A quick thought on the statement "Knicks won't get bogged down with RFA's since it might screw them over, as teams could wait to match, Knicks left holding the bag". I'm paraphrasing some pundit here.

I don't really buy it. I mean, sure, if the situation is a straight RFA thing, yeah. But most RFA stuff winds up being a S&T situation. Original team knows player isn't coming back, gets a little something out of the situation, maintains relations with the player/agent/fellow GM's.

I mean, I guess there is the "hostile takeover RFA offer" where a team just tries to snatch a player, but I don't think it'll go like that.

If the Knicks want Ball, they'll S&T with the Pelicans and the Pels will get something. I get the cap matters, so there is where intel on the other team's intentions goes. Knicks make an offer knowing the Pels won't match or f*ck around. For instance. I'm not saying Ball is the #1 target.

Maybe regarding the wing player they clearly need they are more likely to go UFA and not strike out. That's if they aren't saving for 2022.

I agree RFA offer usually ends in an S&T situation. My point is S&T for RFA players will cost us assets. Since we have cap space to get UFA players "for free", the RFA players have to be a really great fit and way better than the UFA options. If we had to trade assets, I think Rozier and Sexton would be better options than RFA alternatives.

Polk377 · Post #1394 » by **Polk377** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:29 pm

seren wrote:Technically speaking, there is no signing on Monday at 6 pm. That is when players are allowed to start having negotiations with other teams. Obviously, magically, most come to agreement within a minute or so after negotiations are allowed to start

WWW has been signing players in the shadows for the last 2 weeks.

Jay10 · Post #1395 » by **Jay10** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:31 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:What time can we sign free agents tommorow

Aug. 2: Teams can begin negotiating with free agents (6 p.m. ET)
Aug. 6: Teams can begin signing free agents (12:01 p.m. ET)

Richard4444 · Post #1396 » by **Richard4444** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:42 pm

More guessing:

Cp3 ,Kawhi, Conley, Norman: stand pat.

Lowry - should choose a contender. Dallas, Sixers or Heat.

RFA options - it will be a contingency plan.

Trades - Only if we get a good deal until then or start to strike out.

UFA most probable targets:

PG: Dennis or Spencer
Wing: Fournier, Oubre or DeRozan.
Center: I think we need a replacement for Noel. I would rather give the Room MLE to someone. But it can be enough to get a workable big. Noel was a steal for his salary. Maybe Noel or Drummond.

ny-n-md · Post #1397 » by **ny-n-md** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:43 pm

I’m actually hoping we sign Kelly Oubre. Let me leave that here.

snadler · Post #1398 » by **snadler** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:12 pm

More and more I see how this playing out barring Lowry or CP, or a blockbuster trade which doesn’t look likely, think Rose and crew punt this summer once again, sign 1 yr deal guys and be ready for next summer with better options

8516knicks · Post #1399 » by **8516knicks** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:44 pm

snadler wrote:More and more I see how this playing out barring Lowry or CP, or a blockbuster trade which doesn’t look likely, think Rose and crew punt this summer once again, sign 1 yr deal guys and be ready for next summer with better options

The FO has enough punters to start an NFL franchise. 8-)

DaGawd · Post #1400 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:01 pm

We can’t keep punting every off season lol