With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

deeps6x · Post #141 » by **deeps6x** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:25 pm

mtcan wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:Still a bit bummed we didn't take Suggs, but I'm coming around on the pick more and more with every glowing report and interview/media session I've seen with Barnes in the last 24 hours.

I don't get the stance that some people have that Barnes/OG/Siakam can't coexist. They're all very versatile and have pretty varying styles of play. The thought of the Barnes/OG/Siakam trio with FVV wreaking havoc on the defensive end is extremely exciting to me too. Not sure who that 5th player may be right now, but that has to be a top defensive lineup in the league.

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Two of the three can't shoot right now. If Barnes learns to shoot or if Siakam can shoot like he did in 2018-2020, then that lineup becomes a lot better.

Honestly...if you went by only the FSU clips...ya...Scottie's shot looks bad. However...it does look like it's come a long way since...judging by the combine video and the Open Gym video. The form and rhythm just looks smooth. Now I'm curious to see him use it in-game. Yes...August 18th can't come soon enough.

Like I had said...I hope he gets the green light to let his shots fly and isn't too unselfish. I know it's easy to over-rely on the pass and the drive...but we need him to develop the scorer's mindset...

Can someone repost the combine video and the Open Gym video please?

PhilBlackson · Post #142 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm

Chandan wrote:
dgr81 wrote:

his shot looks fine

maybe his problem is that he's always surveying the floor and not looking at the basket until the last second. He shoots just fine in practice when he's focused on the rim.

...oooor hes just a 19 year that's barely scratched the surface and developing his skills that hasn't/won't just stagnate from the time we seen him in college.

Look how ridiculously uncoordinated OG looked just shooting (nvm his childish like ballhandling) coming out of college and go watch highlights of him now. It's insane growth and Barnes is easily ahead of him as a ballhandler and passer. Very encouraging stuff to see...

Boogie! · Post #143 » by **Boogie!** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 pm

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #144 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:27 pm

Ngl. Seeing Barnes’s shot drastically better than the game film I watched has helped me through this lol. But now that we got him I’m all in on going all tall and atheistic. If we can pry Barrett from the Knicks for a deal centred around Fred I’m happy as well. Let’s have all long guys on the roster who can dribble pass and shoot

will · Post #145 » by **will** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
Chandan wrote:
dgr81 wrote:

his shot looks fine

maybe his problem is that he's always surveying the floor and not looking at the basket until the last second. He shoots just fine in practice when he's focused on the rim.

...oooor hes just a 19 year that's barely scratched the surface and developing his skills that hasn't/won't just stagnate from the time we seen him in college.

Look how ridiculously uncoordinated OG looked just shooting (nvm his childish like ballhandling) coming out of college and go watch highlights of him now. It's insane growth and Barnes is easily ahead of him as a ballhandler and passer. Very encouraging stuff to see...

ADOBE!

VancouverRaps · Post #146 » by **VancouverRaps** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:29 pm

djsunyc wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20

so we drafted kawhi?

Not saying that I don't buy the rumour that Suggs had a bad workout for us, but I find it interesting that teams put so much stock into a shooting workout when there's easily accessible video of all these guys playing full games, with a way bigger sample size and actual in-game shooting that can be analyzed.

I have complete faith in this front office but just find this rumour interesting. I feel like they likely had Barnes ranked higher going into workouts and Suggs didn't do anything to change their mind and blow them away, while Barnes actually impressed with his measurements and workout.

WeTheNorth123 · Post #147 » by **WeTheNorth123** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:31 pm

This guy kinda does have the 'It" factor .... that reaction at 4.18 lol

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VanWest82 · Post #148 » by **VanWest82** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:32 pm

With Scottie in the fold we now have the personnel to run box and one on both sides of the floor.

NBA Sheady · Post #149 » by **NBA Sheady** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:35 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
Chandan wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:47cm?(hand) that can't be right either. The laughter though.

27.

kawhi was 28.5

his handle is going to be deceivingly tight as long as he spends time with that footwork.

It's the Kawhi thumb to pinkie, with "conversion". Idk I still hear 47, maybe it's my cans.

It's the "Iv'e never seen that before" that gets me. We had Kawhi.

I had the same thought. Presumably, the trainers didn't measure Kawhi.

Los_29 · Post #150 » by **Los_29** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:44 pm

Kikosmooth wrote:Is it me or doesn't it feel like David Johnson and Suggs are the exact same kind of player it's just that one was Branded really well because of winning and the other one is just like in the corn Flakes that you would see in the supermarket that's not branded Kellogg's

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From all accounts DJ was extremely under-utilized in his sophmore season and played a position he was uncomfortable in. He's a guy that wants the ball in his hands, wants to be the facilitator but instead played off the ball. What I do like about him is his athleticism, his defense and his playmaking. His 3pt shooting went up from year 1 to year 2 which is a good sign, unfortunately his fg% plummeted. Definitely an intriguing prospect that can probably develop into a pretty solid NBA'er in our development system.

gha4life · Post #151 » by **gha4life** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:45 pm

Wished we had suggs but since we drafted barnes no choice but to support him , I hope he's successful

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Los_29 · Post #152 » by **Los_29** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:45 pm

NUCKER101 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20

so we drafted kawhi?

Not saying that I don't buy the rumour that Suggs had a bad workout for us, but I find it interesting that teams put so much stock into a shooting workout when there's easily accessible video of all these guys playing full games, with a way bigger sample size and actual in-game shooting that can be analyzed.

I have completely faith in this front office but just find this rumour interesting. I feel like they likely had Barnes ranked higher going into workouts and Suggs didn't do anything to change their mind and blow them away, while Barnes actually impressed with his measurements and workout.

Yeah exactly, also why in the world would we believe some random twitter account? :lol:

NBA Sheady · Post #153 » by **NBA Sheady** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:47 pm

will wrote:So, after reviewing the footage of his workout, I am scratching my head to figure out what is REALLY wrong with his J?

Yeah, it could be improved - that could be said for the majority of rookies.

The mechanics look good. Doesn't seem to get much lift from the legs...that would be helpful in getting his shot off once official games are played, and there are actual players defending his shot.

Other than that, the mechanics look real good. Pause.

He shoots from the center of his body instead of to the right of his face. His tray position is too low. His shooting hand isn't cocked back nearly enough.

But the actual movement/mechanics and follow-through aren't bad at all. Should be easily fixed.

ItsDanger · Post #154 » by **ItsDanger** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:50 pm

Barnes' shooting will likely improve over time. But he has to add more to his bag because his half court game is pretty weak currently. But with his decent handles, he's got a solid foundation to build from.

PhilBlackson · Post #155 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:52 pm

Someone help me out here because I haven't changed my sig in ages, what are you using to upload your AV that's fairly easy?!

Think I'm gonna use one of Ya Boi!

NBA Sheady · Post #156 » by **NBA Sheady** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:53 pm

I'm in the process of watching Scotties whole college season. I think a big part of the shooting concerns is that the misses are really bad. Obviously, the results of his shooting are not good (the percentages) but it feels like many people are reacting to how fugly the misses are.

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Kikosmooth · Post #157 » by **Kikosmooth** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:59 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:This guy kinda does have the 'It" factor .... that reaction at 4.18 lol

Watch on YouTube

Omg hahahha this guy is weird in a funny way! Love his energy!! :lol:

WuTang_CMB · Post #158 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:01 pm

Kikosmooth wrote:Is it me or doesn't it feel like David Johnson and Suggs are the exact same kind of player it's just that one was Branded really well because of winning and the other one is just like in the corn Flakes that you would see in the supermarket that's not branded Kellogg's

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Listening to chad ford, johnson was a really under the radar pick because he had a great freshman season and they told him to go back and improve his shot, which he did. However, lousville kinda messed him up this year because they put a point guard beside him and that was his position

will · Post #159 » by **will** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:01 pm

MadDogSHWA wrote:
will wrote:So, after reviewing the footage of his workout, I am scratching my head to figure out what is REALLY wrong with his J?

Yeah, it could be improved - that could be said for the majority of rookies.

The mechanics look good. Doesn't seem to get much lift from the legs...that would be helpful in getting his shot off once official games are played, and there are actual players defending his shot.

Other than that, the mechanics look real good. Pause.

He shoots from the center of his body instead of to the right of his face. His tray position is too low. His shooting hand isn't cocked back nearly enough.

But the actual movement/mechanics and follow-through aren't bad at all. Should be easily fixed.

100%.

Practice to build that muscle memory. We can that that would apply for the large majority of the players in the NBA.

Goddamn, I am getting excited.

Los Manos · Post #160 » by **Los Manos** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:14 pm

I see a player who has reworked his mechanics and now has a passable set shot. It’s a good start and he’s clearly open to any adjustments our development staff can offer which is all positive.

I’m feeling a lot better about the pick but he’s only going to go from high end role player to a true offensive threat if he develops a pull up jump shot. That could take a few years though so be prepared. Until then every time he brings the ball up the floor teams will sag off limiting most of his options, preventing drives to the rim and nullifying his passing ability.