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Post#1321 » by Resistance » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:32 pm

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Sacramento needs a replacement for Ranadive that will give the FO clear instructions:

1. Properly tank and don't keep trying to be a fringe playoff team.

2. If/When given a chance for another Doncic versus Bagley decision, don't screw it up.
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Post#1322 » by pacers33granger » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:34 pm

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VCfor3 wrote:
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Sacramento needs a replacement for Ranadive that will give the FO clear instructions:

1. Properly tank and don't keep trying to be a fringe playoff team.

2. If/When given a chance for another Doncic versus Bagley decision, don't screw it up.


If the team was seriously considering trading the 9th pick for JV, then there's really no hope.
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Post#1323 » by patman66 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:34 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
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Not the most reliable source but Thunder maybe looking to use cap space


I think it would have to be an overpay or a restrictive no trade + max trade bump.
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Post#1324 » by patman66 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:37 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Not the most reliable source but Thunder maybe looking to use cap space


I think it would have to be an overpay or a restrictive no trade + max trade bump.
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Post#1325 » by loserX » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:39 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
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VCfor3 wrote:
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Sacramento needs a replacement for Ranadive that will give the FO clear instructions:

1. Properly tank and don't keep trying to be a fringe playoff team.

2. If/When given a chance for another Doncic versus Bagley decision, don't screw it up.


If the team was seriously considering trading the 9th pick for JV, then there's really no hope.


I assume the #17 would have gone back to Sacramento, as it did in New Orleans, but then the Pels upped the ante with the future pick.

Otherwise why on Earth would the Griz have taken the NOP offer.
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Post#1326 » by Resistance » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:51 pm

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VCfor3 wrote:
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Sacramento needs a replacement for Ranadive that will give the FO clear instructions:

1. Properly tank and don't keep trying to be a fringe playoff team.

2. If/When given a chance for another Doncic versus Bagley decision, don't screw it up.


If the team was seriously considering trading the 9th pick for JV, then there's really no hope.



I don't know what Ranadive's main issue is:

1. He thinks that with a little patching that the team can be a contender.

2. Ordering a major teardown of what Vlade crafted will reflect poorly on Ranadive's past decision to give Vlade his position.


Ranadive is the one unchanging constant in Sacramento and that is why I have him as the one who needs to be replaced to see if they can get different results.
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Post#1327 » by Resistance » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:55 pm

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pacers33granger wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Sacramento needs a replacement for Ranadive that will give the FO clear instructions:

1. Properly tank and don't keep trying to be a fringe playoff team.

2. If/When given a chance for another Doncic versus Bagley decision, don't screw it up.


If the team was seriously considering trading the 9th pick for JV, then there's really no hope.


I assume the #17 would have gone back to Sacramento, as it did in New Orleans, but then the Pels upped the ante with the future pick.

Otherwise why on Earth would the Griz have taken the NOP offer.



#10 + Adams + Bledsoe + Future LAL first + second round pick stuff for JV + #17

Versus

#9 + Hield for JV + #17
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Post#1328 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:10 pm

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pacers33granger wrote:I would hope Presti doesn't sign one of the top free agents just as an asset. Unless he never wants to get anyone worthwhile to sign without severely overpaying.


I wouldn’t necessarily say Jake Fisher is the most reliable. He walked back all the SGA being offered in a trade stuff


Yeah he's been throwing a ton out there lately, so I doubt it's true.



It makes no sense. Collins may never play again and Presti certainly doesn't currently have access to his medicals to even think about taking a flier. And Dinwiddie wants paid. If OKC was willing to pay him, no chance he's ruling them out as an option before offers have even been made.
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Post#1329 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:27 pm

This may have been mentioned already but if not--Lowe is saying Buddy to the Lakers is probably dead because neither the Wiz or Kings want Dennis. Some chatter about the Wiz pursuing Dinwiddie and sending Kuz and/or Trez to the Nets. That makes a lot more sense if the Nets are willing to spend. Kuzma would be a good depth get for them albeit crazy expensive.
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Post#1330 » by VCfor3 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:44 pm

loserX wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Sacramento needs a replacement for Ranadive that will give the FO clear instructions:

1. Properly tank and don't keep trying to be a fringe playoff team.

2. If/When given a chance for another Doncic versus Bagley decision, don't screw it up.


If the team was seriously considering trading the 9th pick for JV, then there's really no hope.


I assume the #17 would have gone back to Sacramento, as it did in New Orleans, but then the Pels upped the ante with the future pick.

Otherwise why on Earth would the Griz have taken the NOP offer.

Maybe NOP was willing to go ahead and do the trade where as SAC was wanting to wait and see who was available at 9. If Memphis didn't pull the trigger with NOP then they may have instead traded with OKC or someone else, SAC could have liked the guy at 9, and Memphis end up with no way to move up enough to get Ziaire.

We also don't know the exact package SAC wanted. For all we know they wanted the Utah 1st or Clarke as well.
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Post#1331 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:54 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:This may have been mentioned already but if not--Lowe is saying Buddy to the Lakers is probably dead because neither the Wiz or Kings want Dennis. Some chatter about the Wiz pursuing Dinwiddie and sending Kuz and/or Trez to the Nets. That makes a lot more sense if the Nets are willing to spend. Kuzma would be a good depth get for them albeit crazy expensive.
I was thinking earlier.

Are the Lakers allowed to s&t 2 guys in 1 deal or is that against the cba?

Nobody wants Schroder at 20-25/year which makes sense. But at 13-15 he may be okay?

My thinking was

Wizards moving kuzma for Schroder on same salary

Kings moving buddy for Kuzma + THT (3/21-24)

Lakers s&t Schroder and THT for Buddy.

I figured this wasn't legal, but no idea.

Wizards need a pg, and at same price as kuz seems like a no Brainer.

Kings balance roster far better and take a chance with tht.

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Post#1332 » by Godaddycurse » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:03 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:This may have been mentioned already but if not--Lowe is saying Buddy to the Lakers is probably dead because neither the Wiz or Kings want Dennis. Some chatter about the Wiz pursuing Dinwiddie and sending Kuz and/or Trez to the Nets. That makes a lot more sense if the Nets are willing to spend. Kuzma would be a good depth get for them albeit crazy expensive.
I was thinking earlier.

Are the Lakers allowed to s&t 2 guys in 1 deal or is that against the cba?

Nobody wants Schroder at 20-25/year which makes sense. But at 13-15 he may be okay?

My thinking was

Wizards moving kuzma for Schroder on same salary

Kings moving buddy for Kuzma + THT (3/21-24)

Lakers s&t Schroder and THT for Buddy.

I figured this wasn't legal, but no idea.

Wizards need a pg, and at same price as kuz seems like a no Brainer.

Kings balance roster far better and take a chance with tht.

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i think its legal but i doubt schroder will sign for so little
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Post#1333 » by Resistance » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:06 pm

92. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?


The sign-and-trade rule allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. A sign-and-trade is treated like a single, atomic transaction, and not two separate transactions between which one party can change its mind -- if the trade is not completed, then the signing is invalidated.

To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

    * The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.

    * The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).

    * The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).

    * The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.

    * The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1

    * The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).

    * The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).
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Post#1334 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:30 pm

Pistons love their dead money. They waived Joseph and Sirvydis today which is $4M in dead money. Can still get to $16.3M in cap space if they waive McGruder as well.

Note: Waiving Joseph was obviously the correct decision. Just pointing out more dead money for a franchise with a ton of it over the years(and now).
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Post#1335 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:31 pm

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RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:This may have been mentioned already but if not--Lowe is saying Buddy to the Lakers is probably dead because neither the Wiz or Kings want Dennis. Some chatter about the Wiz pursuing Dinwiddie and sending Kuz and/or Trez to the Nets. That makes a lot more sense if the Nets are willing to spend. Kuzma would be a good depth get for them albeit crazy expensive.
I was thinking earlier.

Are the Lakers allowed to s&t 2 guys in 1 deal or is that against the cba?

Nobody wants Schroder at 20-25/year which makes sense. But at 13-15 he may be okay?

My thinking was

Wizards moving kuzma for Schroder on same salary

Kings moving buddy for Kuzma + THT (3/21-24)

Lakers s&t Schroder and THT for Buddy.

I figured this wasn't legal, but no idea.

Wizards need a pg, and at same price as kuz seems like a no Brainer.

Kings balance roster far better and take a chance with tht.

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i think its legal but i doubt schroder will sign for so little
I mean I think he's going to have a tough time getting more than 15/year.

Report is Washington likes Dinwiddie. Chicago likes ball.

Dallas/pelicans want Lowry and Schroder probably doesn't fit well with either team.

He doesn't have a ton more options. I'd be shocked if he sniffs 20. Team will have instant regret.

Maybe he signs for MLE 1+1 somewhere and attempts to increase his value but he's not coming off a great year

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Post#1336 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:35 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I mean I think he's going to have a tough time getting more than 15/year.

Report is Washington likes Dinwiddie. Chicago likes ball.

Dallas/pelicans want Lowry and Schroder probably doesn't fit well with either team.

He doesn't have a ton more options. I'd be shocked if he sniffs 20. Team will have instant regret.

Maybe he signs for MLE 1+1 somewhere and attempts to increase his value but he's not coming off a great year

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I agree. I could see a scenario where he is plan F or something for Dallas, but even then they are going to want to send out Powell/Burke almost certainly in that deal. Just burning cap space on him makes no sense since they still employ arguably the best offensive PG in the league and have a really solid backup in Brunson as well.

The idea of Lowry is he that he's still a very high level player and he fits really well on court with Luka. Dennis? Not nearly so much.
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Post#1337 » by Kilo » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:43 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Pistons love their dead money. They waived Joseph and Sirvydis today which is $4M in dead money. Can still get to $16.3M in cap space if they waive McGruder as well.

Note: Waiving Joseph was obviously the correct decision. Just pointing out more dead money for a franchise with a ton of it over the years(and now).


Somehow can get to 22M cap space if Pistons used stretch provision on Joseph and Sirvydis cap hits.
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Post#1338 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:44 pm

Kilo wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Pistons love their dead money. They waived Joseph and Sirvydis today which is $4M in dead money. Can still get to $16.3M in cap space if they waive McGruder as well.

Note: Waiving Joseph was obviously the correct decision. Just pointing out more dead money for a franchise with a ton of it over the years(and now).


Somehow can get to 22M cap space if Pistons used stretch provision on Joseph and Sirvydis cap hits.


I'd have to see the numbers. Was going on Bobby Marks and stretching $4M can't add $6M in cap space so if your number is right Marks is missing something.
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Post#1339 » by Kilo » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:50 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Kilo wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Pistons love their dead money. They waived Joseph and Sirvydis today which is $4M in dead money. Can still get to $16.3M in cap space if they waive McGruder as well.

Note: Waiving Joseph was obviously the correct decision. Just pointing out more dead money for a franchise with a ton of it over the years(and now).


Somehow can get to 22M cap space if Pistons used stretch provision on Joseph and Sirvydis cap hits.


I'd have to see the numbers. Was going on Bobby Marks and stretching $4M can't add $6M in cap space so if your number is right Marks is missing something.


Hollinger could be wrong just the same.

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Post#1340 » by Karmaloop » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:51 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I agree. I could see a scenario where he is plan F or something for Dallas, but even then they are going to want to send out Powell/Burke almost certainly in that deal. Just burning cap space on him makes no sense since they still employ arguably the best offensive PG in the league and have a really solid backup in Brunson as well.

The idea of Lowry is he that he's still a very high level player and he fits really well on court with Luka. Dennis? Not nearly so much.


I don't really see Dallas as being a candidate for Schroder. You have a better pulse on the Mavs, but I just never really saw Schroder as a possibility to the Mavs. I think it's Chicago or New York right now.

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