With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[will]

I'm in the process of watching Scotties whole college season. I think a big part of the shooting concerns is that the misses are really bad. Obviously, the results of his shooting are not good (the percentages) but it feels like many people are reacting to how fugly the misses are.

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Yeah, a lot of arm...very little to no lift from his legs.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

With the word "genuine" emphasized, I kind of think Suggs father had him selling the sizzle more than the steak. He was a money baller, so in other words not good enough to make the league. Bad sign to be born under.

[Raptors_Dynasty]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Agree 100% and great points

[JPriest]

With the word "genuine" emphasized, I kind of think Suggs father had him selling the sizzle more than the steak. He was a money baller, so in other words not good enough to make the league. Bad sign to be born under.

for sure. he comes off as kinda fake goody two shoes focused on self promotion and trying to adorn himself to the media for self gain. give me someone genuine like barnes who's focused on working, getting better and winning regardless of self-glory.

[deeps6x]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Quit repeating this lie. OG's shooting averages from year 1 to the past year haven't changed. They are virtually identical.

What he IS doing is taking more shots. But he is making them at the same rate as in his rookie season.

I HOPE Barnes can improve or develop his shooting, but I'm not going to believe that he can because people keep spewing this crap saying the Raptor's staff did the same for OG.

Now, as for choosing Barnes because Suggs might have had bad workouts, or might not have wanted to come play in Toronto, I'm fine with it. I thought Barnes was definitely the next best prospect right now. I would have been disappointed if we'd have made Kaminga or anyone else that went 6-30 our pick instead. If Masai and his staff thought this was the best option at the moment, then I'll continue to believe in their expertise.

[Public_Enemy101]

I'm in the process of watching Scotties whole college season. I think a big part of the shooting concerns is that the misses are really bad. Obviously, the results of his shooting are not good (the percentages) but it feels like many people are reacting to how fugly the misses are.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, a lot of arm...very little to no lift from his legs.

Well with exception to the Open Gym video, that's all we can base our expectations on. This is a good indication though of how he deals with pressure in real game situations. He rushes shots in the paint so coaches will really need to slow him down and rebuild his shooting mechanics. Also it's one thing to struggle against NCAA players, imagine how he's gonna fare against NBA level players where the speed of the game is so much faster. So it's gonna be like double whiplash for him. He needs to adjust both to the super fast pace of the NBA also while trying to learn how to shoot. That's the risk.

Ben Simmons is a good example of what Barnes might be. If you look at Simmons during practice he actually nails his jumpers and looks pretty good. Come game time it's like he completely retreats and second guesses all his shots. Raps need to look out for that.

[Jcity08]

When teams play a big lineup with a tall PG, we can just counter with Barnes at the 1.

[Boogie!]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Quit repeating this lie. OG's shooting averages from year 1 to the past year haven't changed. They are virtually identical.

What he IS doing is taking more shots. But he is making them at the same rate as in his rookie season.

I HOPE Barnes can improve or develop his shooting, but I'm not going to believe that he can because people keep spewing this crap saying the Raptor's staff did the same for OG.

Now, as for choosing Barnes because Suggs might have had bad workouts, or might not have wanted to come play in Toronto, I'm fine with it. I thought Barnes was definitely the next best prospect right now. I would have been disappointed if we'd have made Kaminga or anyone else that went 6-30 our pick instead. If Masai and his staff thought this was the best option at the moment, then I'll continue to believe in their expertise.

Sorry idk what lie you're talking about... Coming out of college og was a good shooter?

Point still stands that Barnes has way more upside and natural skills than og... So if you're high on og, there's no reason to not think barnes has superstar potential.

[anotherhomer]

Good point to those who say that Barnes n Ben Simmons need to be able to use those shot mechanics in an actual game

[sofargone]

anyone have the barnes draft vid where they dont show suggs first

[720]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Quit repeating this lie. OG's shooting averages from year 1 to the past year haven't changed. They are virtually identical.

What he IS doing is taking more shots. But he is making them at the same rate as in his rookie season.

I HOPE Barnes can improve or develop his shooting, but I'm not going to believe that he can because people keep spewing this crap saying the Raptor's staff did the same for OG.

Now, as for choosing Barnes because Suggs might have had bad workouts, or might not have wanted to come play in Toronto, I'm fine with it. I thought Barnes was definitely the next best prospect right now. I would have been disappointed if we'd have made Kaminga or anyone else that went 6-30 our pick instead. If Masai and his staff thought this was the best option at the moment, then I'll continue to believe in their expertise.

I doubt he didnt want to come here. We were apparently the only team he worked out for. But what's done is done. All in on Barnes now.

[Vampirate]

I'm in the process of watching Scotties whole college season. I think a big part of the shooting concerns is that the misses are really bad. Obviously, the results of his shooting are not good (the percentages) but it feels like many people are reacting to how fugly the misses are.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, a lot of arm...very little to no lift from his legs.

Well with exception to the Open Gym video, that's all we can base our expectations on. This is a good indication though of how he deals with pressure in real game situations. He rushes shots in the paint so coaches will really need to slow him down and rebuild his shooting mechanics. Also it's one thing to struggle against NCAA players, imagine how he's gonna fare against NBA level players where the speed of the game is so much faster. So it's gonna be like double whiplash for him. He needs to adjust both to the super fast pace of the NBA also while trying to learn how to shoot. That's the risk.

Ben Simmons is a good example of what Barnes might be. If you look at Simmons during practice he actually nails his jumpers and looks pretty good. Come game time it's like he completely retreats and second guesses all his shots. Raps need to look out for that.

The difference though is Simmons NEVER shoots 3s in game, even in college. Barnes is a bad shooter, but one of the best ways to get better at shooting in an NBA game........is to actually shoot in an NBA game.

Let's all keep in mind Siakam was a horrible shooter in his first few years but became better because he got his in game reps in. This is what Scottie needs, forget the wins and losses.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Agimat]

OG is on the verge of a breakout combine this with a player like Barnes who has a huge upside and say what you want on Paskal but when he's motivated, he definitely a good player. We could possibly create a trend in the league.

[HumbleRen]

Been watching a lot of Scottie tape. He really reminds me of Lamar Odom but with WAY less polish.

Can guard 1-5, good handles and great passing vision for that size.

[Los_29]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Quit repeating this lie. OG's shooting averages from year 1 to the past year haven't changed. They are virtually identical.

What he IS doing is taking more shots. But he is making them at the same rate as in his rookie season.

I HOPE Barnes can improve or develop his shooting, but I'm not going to believe that he can because people keep spewing this crap saying the Raptor's staff did the same for OG.

Now, as for choosing Barnes because Suggs might have had bad workouts, or might not have wanted to come play in Toronto, I'm fine with it. I thought Barnes was definitely the next best prospect right now. I would have been disappointed if we'd have made Kaminga or anyone else that went 6-30 our pick instead. If Masai and his staff thought this was the best option at the moment, then I'll continue to believe in their expertise.

OG posted a career high TS% this year on the most attempts of his career. Aside from the year with Kawhi, OG has improved his percentages every year while at the same time increasing the number of attempts. His FT% has also significantly improved throughout his career.

[DAcReator]

When I think about what we/Masai hopes Scotties trajectory looks like… are we thinking a poor mans ben Simmons bit can shoot the three at acceptable rate.

Because with the expectation of making a three (which I know is a big deal) I don’t see him being better than Simmons at any other aspect of the game.

Btw, I’m not complaining if this is the case. Just think out loud m

[Mehar]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Quit repeating this lie. OG's shooting averages from year 1 to the past year haven't changed. They are virtually identical.

What he IS doing is taking more shots. But he is making them at the same rate as in his rookie season.

I HOPE Barnes can improve or develop his shooting, but I'm not going to believe that he can because people keep spewing this crap saying the Raptor's staff did the same for OG.

Now, as for choosing Barnes because Suggs might have had bad workouts, or might not have wanted to come play in Toronto, I'm fine with it. I thought Barnes was definitely the next best prospect right now. I would have been disappointed if we'd have made Kaminga or anyone else that went 6-30 our pick instead. If Masai and his staff thought this was the best option at the moment, then I'll continue to believe in their expertise.

I doubt he didnt want to come here. We were apparently the only team he worked out for. But what's done is done. All in on Barnes now.

Exactly how I feel. I was on the Suggs train since January. Wish him nothing but the best in Orlando. Thought for sure that Suggs would end up here, but got to give management the benefit of the doubt. I hope Barnes is excited to be a Raptor, when it is -25 in January or February (LOL). Barnes has never left the State of Florida. The Orlando Sentinel was saying last month, Barnes very much liked the idea of playing with the Magic, since he would in his home state of Florida, and closer to home.

Suggs on the other hand, said he had no problem playing in the cold weather, being from Minnesota. Hoping Barnes does not pull a T-Mac, and return to Florida in 4-5 years after Toronto develops him. However, all of a sudden I am seeing a lot of Suggs slander by Toronto fans on Twitter, based on this bogus report he purposely "tanked" a workout. He might have had a bad workout, but doubt he tanked anything. He said good things about Toronto in a couple of interviews, and I am sure he had no problem being picked by Toronto. Will be rooting for him Orlando, since that franchise outside of a 7th and 8th place finish, and has been terrible for a decade.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

damn coming to Toronto already?

[djsunyc]