ac1011990 wrote:Los_29 wrote:ac1011990 wrote:
What part of what I said was wrong… maybe elaborate instead of saying I’m completely wrong? These are real problems going into the season, it’s kind of obvious. We will have a huge hole at PG, our team will struggle to hit 100 points on many nights and we have a win now vs develop for the future issue that’s going to rear it’s ugly head. There are already rumblings of Siakam being upset with the organization, I have no idea if that’s true or not but there is no way, as constructed, this team will make any noise in the playoffs (if they even get there). An all defence no offense team is not how a winning team looks, we’ve seen the opposite of that falling flat (Nets playing all offence) what makes you think being a one dimensional team is winning anything. Nurse literally looked like he was having an aneurysm half the season, without Lowry, the dude might actually keel over mid season.
Look, I get the hype with Barnes I really hope he pans out and we’ve got a superstar in the making but all this talk about his shot changing drastically in the last few months means nothing till he hits the court. OG is still developing into a good offensive player and he was miles better then Barnes on that end. This dude is a project and honestly, I’m ok with that as long as we fully commit to this. No half assing things and yanking Barnes for mistakes he makes. If our front office wants to draft a raw, full of potential guy, then give these young dudes the reigns and see what we got,
You never draft for need. You always draft BPA. The Raptors felt like Barnes was the BPA and apparently they weren't alone as many other teams had Barnes in their top 4 and some even had him at #3.
The problem is you're seeing this is as a sprint and not a marathon. Suggs would've filled more of a need but from all accounts his ceiling is far lower.
OG was not miles better as a shooter than Barnes. He shot 47% from the FT line in his freshman season. Siakam also couldn't shoot and was 2-3 years older than Barnes was. And I mentioned this previously, Kawhi shot 20% from the 3pt line in his freshman season. In his sophmore season he shot 27%. Not only does Barnes have an incredibly high ceiling but his floor is also very high. Even if he never improves his jumpshot (which is highly unlikely), the guy is still going to be a very solid player in this league because of what he can do on the court.
Ok, if your going to argue that OG wasn’t a better shooter then Barnes, I’m not sure it’s even worth replying back. Ya, he wasn’t a good FT shooter but he’s always been a good catch and shoot guy, especially at the 3pt line. His TS was 62 vs 53 for Barnes, his 2P% was higher, his 3P% was higher, he was known as a catch and shoot guy who could occasionally straight line drive and dunk. Kawhi and Barnes didn’t have the same offensive role. I’ll compare college postseasons. Kawhi averaged about 14 fga per game, during his 3 games Barnes took 15 shots in total…. his first 2, he shot 4. It’s not simply “oooooo he had a lower fg so he must be worse on offense”. Jalen Green has a lower overall fg% then Barnes, are you going to sit here and tell me Scottie is the better offensive player? Sure, I’ll give you Siakam, dude wasnt good offensively but he worked hard and got better over the years. I’m hoping Barnes does the same.
It’s just weird to me how people on here are acting like Suggs was a draft for fit guy when the reality is he was probably going to be taken by most teams ahead of Barnes. The fact that our pick shocked people, proves just that. When you have 2 guys who are pretty equal, ya sometimes you have to think about fit. It’s ridiculous how your sitting here telling me I’m being short sighted becuase I think Suggs would have been a better fit for our team. You people are acting like the talent difference between Barnes and Suggs is like Cade and Sharife Cooper. Suggs and Barnes are are in the same tier, with Suggs possibly being higher because of his well roundedness. Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out? So ya, I feel like we messed up but it is what it is. I’m going to cheer for the dude and hope he becomes a superstar. I know he’s massively talented and a great prospect but these kinds of decisions can crumble a front office. It’s ok to play around with the 20th pick but if Suggs is clearly the better pick in a few years, I’ll be pissed. Anyways, I’m done complaining, nothing anyone can do. I’m excited to see what the kid can do and where the season goes.
You said he was MILES better but OG shot 52% from the FT line during his college career. He shot 36% from the 3pt line BUT only 31% in his sophomore season. In OG's 2nd year he was 14/45 from the 3pt line. Barnes was 11/40 in his freshman year. Barnes also shot better from the FT line than OG did. To act like OG was a MILES better shooter than Barnes is just simply not true. You say that Kawhi and Barnes didn't have the same offensive role but do you really think OG and Barnes did? Did you ever watch OG in college? Guy was never a primary ball handler on his team, scored most of his points in transition, off put backs and the shots he did take were largely created by others. Barnes was one of the primary ball handlers on his team.
Also why are you comparing postseasons and not the regular season which has a significantly larger sample size? Per 40 minutes Barnes took 1 less shot per game than Kawhi and the same amount of threes at a better percentage. And it's also important to note that none of these guys took a lot of threes which is why it's silly to think that OG was some kind of marksmen when in reality he barely took 3's and there was a huge disparity between his 1st year 3pt percentages and his 2nd year percentages and likely the reason for the big drop off was in his 2nd year he attempted far more shots and played significantly more minutes. The bottom line is he was a poor shooter and the numbers prove it.
I agree with you on Siakam, he worked hard and improved his jumpshot. Just like OG did. Barnes can hopefully do the same. To say OG was miles better than Barnes is wrong though. Was he a better shooter? Yes, but not miles better.
The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans. And once again, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said Suggs wasn't the better fit. I said that you should never draft someone based on fit. You draft based on BPA. That's why they drafted Barnes and not Suggs. They felt Barnes was the better player with the higher ceiling and they weren't the only team that felt that way.
"Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out?"Dude, just stop. That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to get into that last paragraph that you wrote because there is just way too much to untangle there. But to think Bruno's ceiling was KD like is absolutely absurd. Bruno was the 20th pick of the draft and went way off his draft board to draft him. No one even knew who he was. Why in the world would teams let a KD like player slip to 20?
And no, the types of decisions that crumble franchises are drafting for fit in the top 5 of the lottery. Barnes isn't some unknown prospect. The dude can ball and has a high floor and an extremely high ceiling. Even if he never improves his jumpshot he's going to have a successful NBA career. The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.
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