With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[mtcan]

When I think about what we/Masai hopes Scotties trajectory looks like… are we thinking a poor mans ben Simmons bit can shoot the three at acceptable rate.

Because with the expectation of making a three (which I know is a big deal) I don’t see him being better than Simmons at any other aspect of the game.

Btw, I’m not complaining if this is the case. Just think out loud m

If Barnes is able to make the 3, is able to accept coaching, is a good personality while still being able to provide the defence he is lauded for along with passing...he's a better Ben Simmons.

[DAcReator]

When I think about what we/Masai hopes Scotties trajectory looks like… are we thinking a poor mans ben Simmons bit can shoot the three at acceptable rate.

Because with the expectation of making a three (which I know is a big deal) I don’t see him being better than Simmons at any other aspect of the game.

Btw, I’m not complaining if this is the case. Just think out loud m

If Barnes is able to make the 3, is able to accept coaching, is a good personality while still being able to provide the defence he is lauded for along with passing...he's a better Ben Simmons.

I’m definitely not questioning the intangibles and personality is/will be better than Simmons. I can’t stand the guy.
But from a pure talent and capabilities perspective can Scottie really be better than Ben at any other aspect other than shooting (defense, passing, driving).. I have my doubts

[Basketball_Jones]

Well, Ben would probably average 20 a game if he hit free throws and threes opened up his drives. So Barnes at 20ppg, 5 boards, 4-5 assists at his peak is what I’m hoping

[NBA Sheady]

I'm in the process of watching Scotties whole college season. I think a big part of the shooting concerns is that the misses are really bad. Obviously, the results of his shooting are not good (the percentages) but it feels like many people are reacting to how fugly the misses are.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, a lot of arm...very little to no lift from his legs.

Well with exception to the Open Gym video, that's all we can base our expectations on.

Totally. Any way you consider it the results of his shooting last season are bad.

I think some people look at 27% from 3 and excuse it as a 19yr old still learning to shoot and some people look at his particularly egregious misses and think his shooting is a lost cause.

Sounds like his shooting is trending upward and he's one half-decent summer league game away from being extremely overrated.

[StopitLeo]

What's crazy is so many people on this board are high on og calling him a future star etc... I've never been as high on og as anyone simply because he lacks the overall mobility, ball handling body control that stars possess...

Barnes is younger than og, has a similar physical profile, and yet already has much better natural handling, coordination and playmaking than og alrrady, and is supposed to be just as elite defensively and yet people don't like him? Weird. Meanwhile let's not forget og didn't have a shot coming into the league either and look where he is now... I mean, idk why people would be high on og who has much less upside, and down on Barnes...

Quit repeating this lie. OG's shooting averages from year 1 to the past year haven't changed. They are virtually identical.

What he IS doing is taking more shots. But he is making them at the same rate as in his rookie season.

I HOPE Barnes can improve or develop his shooting, but I'm not going to believe that he can because people keep spewing this crap saying the Raptor's staff did the same for OG.

Now, as for choosing Barnes because Suggs might have had bad workouts, or might not have wanted to come play in Toronto, I'm fine with it. I thought Barnes was definitely the next best prospect right now. I would have been disappointed if we'd have made Kaminga or anyone else that went 6-30 our pick instead. If Masai and his staff thought this was the best option at the moment, then I'll continue to believe in their expertise.

Sorry idk what lie you're talking about... Coming out of college og was a good shooter?

Point still stands that Barnes has way more upside and natural skills than og... So if you're high on og, there's no reason to not think barnes has superstar potential.

OG shot the 3 well in his rookie year and has really improved his 3P% and FT% over the past two seasons. In college, however, OG shot as well/poorly as Barnes.

College shooting in draft year (small sample size of shots of course):

OG:
3P% = 31% (14/45)
FT% = 56% (27/48)

Barnes:
3P% = 28% (11/40)
FT% = 62% (41/66)

If OG can come into the league and make open 3s after being a poor shooter in college there is no reason to think Barnes can’t do the same. It seems that Barnes’ biggest problem is consistency- his shot isn’t broken or anything. I’m fact, we have seen video of him making 3s at the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

[mtcan]

When I think about what we/Masai hopes Scotties trajectory looks like… are we thinking a poor mans ben Simmons bit can shoot the three at acceptable rate.

Because with the expectation of making a three (which I know is a big deal) I don’t see him being better than Simmons at any other aspect of the game.

Btw, I’m not complaining if this is the case. Just think out loud m

If Barnes is able to make the 3, is able to accept coaching, is a good personality while still being able to provide the defence he is lauded for along with passing...he's a better Ben Simmons.

I’m definitely not questioning the intangibles and personality is/will be better than Simmons. I can’t stand the guy.
But from a pure talent and capabilities perspective can Scottie really be better than Ben at any other aspect other than shooting (defense, passing, driving).. I have my doubts

I don't think Ben's defence is THAT much better. They can both pass. Other than that...is it that hard to average 14 points. 6 assists and 7 rebounds a game?

[garbagnani]

When I think about what we/Masai hopes Scotties trajectory looks like… are we thinking a poor mans ben Simmons bit can shoot the three at acceptable rate.

Because with the expectation of making a three (which I know is a big deal) I don’t see him being better than Simmons at any other aspect of the game.

Btw, I’m not complaining if this is the case. Just think out loud m

If Barnes is able to make the 3, is able to accept coaching, is a good personality while still being able to provide the defence he is lauded for along with passing...he's a better Ben Simmons.

I’m definitely not questioning the intangibles and personality is/will be better than Simmons. I can’t stand the guy.
But from a pure talent and capabilities perspective can Scottie really be better than Ben at any other aspect other than shooting (defense, passing, driving).. I have my doubts

Simmons with good shooting is an amazing player

[mtcan]

If Barnes is able to make the 3, is able to accept coaching, is a good personality while still being able to provide the defence he is lauded for along with passing...he's a better Ben Simmons.

I’m definitely not questioning the intangibles and personality is/will be better than Simmons. I can’t stand the guy.
But from a pure talent and capabilities perspective can Scottie really be better than Ben at any other aspect other than shooting (defense, passing, driving).. I have my doubts

Simmons with good shooting is an amazing player

I totally agree. But that isn't this reality and probably never will be...

If Ben cared enough to learn how to shoot...he would have done it by now. Instead...he's being traded because he doesn't think he needs listen to his coaches and try to improve.

[dgr81]

our boy is home

[HumbleRen]

I think you guys are underrating Ben lol.

He’s an elite finisher with all time athleticism. Barnes is a okay finisher and with a relatively average first step for how athletic he is on paper.

[Senor Waffles]

our boy is home

HE STAY

[mtcan]

I think you guys are underrating Ben lol.

He’s an elite finisher with all time athleticism. Barnes is a okay finisher and with a relatively average first step for how athletic he is on paper.

I think he is overrated and is potentially a bad locker room influence. He sets a terrible example for younger players with the way he refuses to work on his game.

Barnes is also a freak of nature with really good court vision. If his willingness to be coached and he is the gym rat that he says he is...no question he can be better than Ben.

[bboyskinnylegs]

nice, he's here! I guess he'll spend a few days here before heading out to Vegas.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Gonna be a fan favourite

[720]

Well, Ben would probably average 20 a game if he hit free throws and threes opened up his drives. So Barnes at 20ppg, 5 boards, 4-5 assists at his peak is what I’m hoping

I hope peak Barnes (if everything goes well, his handles improve, three point shot becomes consistent, free throws, etc) is probably like 24-25 points, 7-8 rebounds, and 5-6 assists with elite defense.

[sofargone]

scottie already is in toronto and hanging out with fans

[DG88]

Scottie in the 6ix

[bboyskinnylegs]

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Gonna be a fan favourite

He's just a really likeable dude with a great personality. He's also friends with seemingly every high ranked prospect. Obviously it's a big unknown and it wouldn't even matter for a few years, but if he really pans out to be a star, I feel like he would be a huge asset when it comes to recruiting other great players to join our team. The one thing that we've never been able to do in our entire team's history.

[Vampirate]

When I think about what we/Masai hopes Scotties trajectory looks like… are we thinking a poor mans ben Simmons bit can shoot the three at acceptable rate.

Because with the expectation of making a three (which I know is a big deal) I don’t see him being better than Simmons at any other aspect of the game.

Btw, I’m not complaining if this is the case. Just think out loud m

This alone would put him above Simmons imo.

You can't have your point guard afraid to shoot outside the paint.

[TNRaps4life]

scottie already is in toronto and hanging out with fans

Nothing not to like about this Kid. He will be a fan favorite.