Draft Grades and Impressions

[Brofessor24]

Players are short sighted snd awful GMs. By the middle of next season there is a good chance all 3 of the high draft picks are very solid players with a potential star waiting to burst. Someone like Beal isn’t even necessarily going to make the Warriors better than filling out the bench with versatile multi talented athletes with size and skill. Usually if rookies are quality players, they’ll resemble good rotation players by the end of their rookie year, and will be quality in their second year.

Can’t let your stars bully you into trading all your youth for their friends that don’t necessarily fill needs.

Fans are too idealistic and would make awful GMs. Some of y'all don't appreciate just how fragile an NBA career can be. Hopefully Curry (as well as Klay and Dray) can stay healthy, but there is no guarantee that he is gonna have a super long career. A serious injury can prevent that from happening (and that can happen at any time).

Right now, the front office needs to be doing everything it can to acquire another All-Star level player. Expecting two rookies to be immediate contributors on a championship contender is asinine/way too idealistic.

Stop overrating youth. Front offices (as well as players) should never let delusional/idealistic fans influence their team-building decisions.

you can make the same stupid ass argument the other way...what if we completely gut our depth/trade all of our assets and Steph gets injured next year? then what?

you don't **** make plans on 'what if this or that' scenarios. you look at your team and its current window (we've decided that it's the next 5 years or so) and are making moves to make we're maximizing those next 5 years...not just next season.

we have 3 all stars, we now finally have decent depth, probably the best depth since 14-16 and we have young talent, also probably the best young talent since our first championship...the vast majority of franchises would kill to be in the Warriors' position right now and anyone like you suggesting we should trade 3/4ths of our roster because herp derp NeXT SeASOn has no clue what they are talking about.

You can't predict the future. What is clear though, is that the Warriors need to be doing everything possible in order to maximize their chances of being title contenders. IMO they aren't doing that.

Dray most likely will never make another All-Star team, and we still don't know what Klay will look like when he gets back on the court. The Warriors could definitely use another All-Star caliber player (or at least a borderline All-Star).

You are way too idealistic. People like you are delusional.

[DCasey91]

Players are short sighted snd awful GMs. By the middle of next season there is a good chance all 3 of the high draft picks are very solid players with a potential star waiting to burst. Someone like Beal isn’t even necessarily going to make the Warriors better than filling out the bench with versatile multi talented athletes with size and skill. Usually if rookies are quality players, they’ll resemble good rotation players by the end of their rookie year, and will be quality in their second year.

Can’t let your stars bully you into trading all your youth for their friends that don’t necessarily fill needs.

So burn a year and hope for rookies to progress, and maybe next year is better. I’m sure Curry loves that plan.

Curry can sook in the corner he’s not the GM, Meyers is.

It’s all for naught anyway, if Klay isn’t fit they are not a contender. So it’s going to be a wait and see.
Can’t push the chips all in its way too risky because no one knows what Klay’s return is going to be like.

[DCasey91]

It’s better for the Warriors to have Pascal over Beal but that’s just me. (Even the idea of moving Green somewhere else has validity).

Beal is not what you want.

Pascal isn’t expensive anyway to get so GSW fans chill, patience is a virtue.

[SNPA]

Players are short sighted snd awful GMs. By the middle of next season there is a good chance all 3 of the high draft picks are very solid players with a potential star waiting to burst. Someone like Beal isn’t even necessarily going to make the Warriors better than filling out the bench with versatile multi talented athletes with size and skill. Usually if rookies are quality players, they’ll resemble good rotation players by the end of their rookie year, and will be quality in their second year.

Can’t let your stars bully you into trading all your youth for their friends that don’t necessarily fill needs.

So burn a year and hope for rookies to progress, and maybe next year is better. I’m sure Curry loves that plan.

Curry can sook in the corner he’s not the GM, Meyers is.

It’s all for naught anyway, if Klay isn’t fit they are not a contender. So it’s going to be a wait and see.
Can’t push the chips all in its way too risky because no one knows what Klay’s return is going to be like.

So if Klay isn’t himself then what? Tear it down? No, you try to trade for an all-star/high end win now players.

Klay returns and is 90+% his old self. Great. Now you have the core three in their early thirties ready to win this year. So what do you do? Trade for another high end player(s), not keep rookies and a super raw Wiseman.

It all leads to the same end. Want to maximize chances of a title with this core? Trade, not collect rookies. There is no guarantee four or five years out. Look at the next two/three years, and go for or waste it on rookies learning how to play. Myers choice, we’ll see. I feel very confident what West would do.

[DCasey91]

Emotions get the better of people.

I find the Lowry to the Lakers is a championship or Lowry to the Sixers is a championship comments to be funny as hell. Newsflash if Lowry went to either teams guess what? The results is the same. Both teams would have lost.

GSW is forced to wait and see with Klay, you don’t want to jump the gun. Also Wiggins + Wiseman for Siakam is already an upgrade imo. So there is moves you can make.

But once again it’s Klay fit = contender, Klay isn’t then no.

[BlackThought]

I am really curious as to one thing, perhaps Toronto fans can enlighted me.

But why did they take Barnes? Suggs seems like the perfect fit, to me at least,
Suggs
Trent
OG
Siakam
center
6th man FVV

It seems like Barnes at his best will be a player that has to share the position with either OG or Siakam.

Is the team looking to deal siakam or OG?

short story is Masai thinks Barnes is better than Suggs. I wanted Suggs but will give Masai 2 years to prove his judgement. Position isn't the most important since you can play all 3 at the same time against most teams without dominant centers.

[Skybox]

Players are short sighted snd awful GMs. By the middle of next season there is a good chance all 3 of the high draft picks are very solid players with a potential star waiting to burst. Someone like Beal isn’t even necessarily going to make the Warriors better than filling out the bench with versatile multi talented athletes with size and skill. Usually if rookies are quality players, they’ll resemble good rotation players by the end of their rookie year, and will be quality in their second year.

Can’t let your stars bully you into trading all your youth for their friends that don’t necessarily fill needs.

Fans are too idealistic and would make awful GMs. Some of y'all don't appreciate just how fragile an NBA career can be. Hopefully Curry (as well as Klay and Dray) can stay healthy, but there is no guarantee that he is gonna have a super long career. A serious injury can prevent that from happening (and that can happen at any time).

Right now, the front office needs to be doing everything it can to acquire another All-Star level player. Expecting two rookies to be immediate contributors on a championship contender is asinine/way too idealistic.

Stop overrating youth. Front offices (as well as players) should never let delusional/idealistic fans influence their team-building decisions.

you can make the same stupid ass argument the other way...what if we completely gut our depth/trade all of our assets and Steph gets injured next year? then what?

you don't **** make plans on 'what if this or that' scenarios. you look at your team and its current window (we've decided that it's the next 5 years or so) and are making moves to make we're maximizing those next 5 years...not just next season.

we have 3 all stars, we now finally have decent depth, probably the best depth since 14-16 and we have young talent, also probably the best young talent since our first championship...the vast majority of franchises would kill to be in the Warriors' position right now and anyone like you suggesting we should trade 3/4ths of our roster because herp derp NeXT SeASOn has no clue what they are talking about.

Kuminga was the consensus #5 in a "5 man draft" for most of the summer and much higher a year ago. I'm not sure WTF happened where all of a sudden Barnes became the phenom and Kuminga was suddenly a bust after scoring and rebounding in a league against pros. He's raw and inefficient but his upside is off of the charts. If he came to ORL (for example) his bust potential was higher as he would likely anoint himself team leader and team scoring threat and ball stopper. With GSW, HOF vets with rings on their fingers will tell him what to do, where to stand and how to play championship bball. Even if he's only put in a position to play defense, rebound, and dunk when the opportunity presents, he'll have a much more successful path. He's years from his peak but that certainly doesn't make him unable to contribute today. Just a few weeks ago Kuminga and Moody would have been a hugely successful draft for ORL at 5 & 8. Moody can flat out shoot, so there's always a place for him and his defensive potential will also be harvested by playing with Draymond and the GSW coaching staff that has made great defense out of not-so-great individual defenders...I can't imagine what they could have done to be happier, except pull off "the BIG trade" (which I'm not even sure who that is...maybe Siakim, not Beal).

[Catchall]

Butler should be plug+play, I would give him at least 15 mins a game to start, maybe 20

Having Butler should let the Jazz load-manage Conley without overtaxing other guys like Joe Ingles.

[Blood Orange]

Biggest winners
-Hawks won this easy by getting Jalen Johnson who'll provide them additional depth off the bench and be a great back up to Collins or Bogey, as well as getting Cooper whose going to be an awesome back up and apprentice to Trae Young.

Biggest losers
-Kings drafting Mitchell seems like an odd choice, unless they're trying to unload one of Haliburton or Fox, in the offseason, but atm it seems like a terrible pick, in terms of fit for the team

Biggest steals
-Hawks again, by getting Jalen Johnson who was a projected lottery pick a month or two ago @ 20 and Cooper who was a mid-teen FRP but got him at 48
-76ers getting Springer @ 28 seems like excellent value
-Bulls acquiring Ayo @ 38 also appears like it may pay dividends in the future
-Raps selecting David Johnson @ 47 who was originally suppose to go as a first rounder and is going be a great pick up for us

Biggest reaches
-Spurs reaching for Johshua Primo @ 12
-OKC reaching for Giddey @ 6 but then again they weren't likely going to get him at 16 in truth
-Grizz reaching for Ziaire @10 but they had no other first rounder so I suppose its nice that they got their guy

Biggest surprises
-Raps picking Barnes over Suggs was the obvious one, thought we'd opt for the safe pick with Suggs
-Keon Johnson falling all the way to 21, didn't expect that, thought he'd go much earlier than that

Best UDFAs
-Moses Wright & Justin Champagnie to the Raps

Grade your team's performance
-Solid B+ for the Raps since they decided on the riskier route and go big with Barnes cause they're banking on his potential/ceiling and I thought the David Johnson pick was an absolute steal for them.

[Sea2003]

Some winners

CHA: Getting Kai at 19 and Jt in the 2nd was great. Not a fan of Bouk but he should do well with LaMelo
Hawks: Value wise the hawks did a tremendous job getting Johnson at 20 and Cooper in the late 2nd
76ers: getting Springer at 26 alone puts them here. He's gonna be great next to Maxey
Clippers: Keon and BJ were 2 great selections.
some Losers

Spurs: Primo at 12 was a huuuge reach.

Warriors: Selecting another project when you have Steph was just a horrible decision. Kuminga will most likely be bad for a couple of seasons and with Steph aging this selection didn't make sense. Moody at 14 was great value though

SAC: Taking Mitchell at 9 was so idiotic. There were so many better options on the board( Moody, Springer, Garuba, etc.)


OKC draft: Felt very meh about it. Didn't really like the selection of Giddey at 6 but it seems like the org is targeting wing creators/imitators( Bazley, Giddey, Mann, SGA). I liked the selection of JRE in the 2nd tho


Best UDfA: Lakers hands down.They got 2 great pickups in Reeves and Joel Ayayi

[HardenGoat]

Biggest surprise was Rockets going from almost no assets last year and a disgruntled star to drafting almost an entire team of 19 year olds that could be pretty damn good in a couple years.

[QingJames]

Emotions get the better of people.

I find the Lowry to the Lakers is a championship or Lowry to the Sixers is a championship comments to be funny as hell. Newsflash if Lowry went to either teams guess what? The results is the same. Both teams would have lost.

GSW is forced to wait and see with Klay, you don’t want to jump the gun. Also Wiggins + Wiseman for Siakam is already an upgrade imo. So there is moves you can make.

But once again it’s Klay fit = contender, Klay isn’t then no.

Pretty bad example. Lowry on the Sixers would have assuredly gotten them to the conference finals with a great chance at the title. Sixers actually made a huge blunder not going for him, just as the Warriors will do in delusionally expecting an incredibly raw Kuminga to help them win titles in the next 3 years.

[eminence]

A note - I think the G League rookies will be a little further along than people expect.

Still I do think it would've been justifiable for the Warriors to look at other guys in place of Kuminga at #7 (or a trade down or something). Maybe see how they look in camp, but I think GS should be strongly leaning towards moving at least one of Wiseman/Kuminga for guys more ready to win now (Wiseman probably the better option due to higher salary). Memphis is a team I come back to who makes the most sense.

#14 wasn't a mega value piece to start with, landing Moody is very nice, I'd just ride that one out at this point unless there's a high end star on the market (higher than Beal) and the Moody inclusion makes the difference.

[NO-KG-AI]

Players are short sighted snd awful GMs. By the middle of next season there is a good chance all 3 of the high draft picks are very solid players with a potential star waiting to burst. Someone like Beal isn’t even necessarily going to make the Warriors better than filling out the bench with versatile multi talented athletes with size and skill. Usually if rookies are quality players, they’ll resemble good rotation players by the end of their rookie year, and will be quality in their second year.

Can’t let your stars bully you into trading all your youth for their friends that don’t necessarily fill needs.

So burn a year and hope for rookies to progress, and maybe next year is better. I’m sure Curry loves that plan.

Or trade for “veterans” that you’re not sure even move the needle or make a noticeable difference.

If you know something we don’t about an MVP candidate being on the block, and the Warriors are dragging their feet, do tell. Because right now, the big get seems to be Christian Wood or Jerami Grant.

I’m sure Curry would have loved trading Klay for Kevin Love too. You know what else Curry would have loved at the time? Going to the Knicks instead of the Warriors. Great call.

[DCasey91]

Emotions get the better of people.

I find the Lowry to the Lakers is a championship or Lowry to the Sixers is a championship comments to be funny as hell. Newsflash if Lowry went to either teams guess what? The results is the same. Both teams would have lost.

GSW is forced to wait and see with Klay, you don’t want to jump the gun. Also Wiggins + Wiseman for Siakam is already an upgrade imo. So there is moves you can make.

But once again it’s Klay fit = contender, Klay isn’t then no.

Pretty bad example. Lowry on the Sixers would have assuredly gotten them to the conference finals with a great chance at the title. Sixers actually made a huge blunder not going for him, just as the Warriors will do in delusionally expecting an incredibly raw Kuminga to help them win titles in the next 3 years.

Embiid injured = Zero chance that simple
AD injured = Zero chance that simple

Easy things to grasp.

Not a great chance, zero chance.

Embiid with another 12+ games conference and finals? Zero chance

Thy huge blunder is thinking the result would be any different. It wouldn’t be

Also another interesting add on..Lowry isn’t the most durable player either.

[QingJames]

Emotions get the better of people.

I find the Lowry to the Lakers is a championship or Lowry to the Sixers is a championship comments to be funny as hell. Newsflash if Lowry went to either teams guess what? The results is the same. Both teams would have lost.

GSW is forced to wait and see with Klay, you don’t want to jump the gun. Also Wiggins + Wiseman for Siakam is already an upgrade imo. So there is moves you can make.

But once again it’s Klay fit = contender, Klay isn’t then no.

Pretty bad example. Lowry on the Sixers would have assuredly gotten them to the conference finals with a great chance at the title. Sixers actually made a huge blunder not going for him, just as the Warriors will do in delusionally expecting an incredibly raw Kuminga to help them win titles in the next 3 years.

Embiid injured = Zero chance that simple
AD injured = Zero chance that simple

Easy things to grasp.

Not a great chance, zero chance.

Embiid with another 12+ games conference and finals? Zero chance

Thy huge blunder is thinking the result would be any different. It wouldn’t be

Also another interesting add on..Lowry isn’t the most durable player either.

I agree with you regarding the Lakers because AD WAS injured. Embiid was not. Or at least, no more than any other players with the nagging injuries nearly 3 rounds into the playoffs. He just always has an excuse, but if you watched the series he was completely fine.

Also Lowry is actually quite durable, don’t know where you got the idea otherwise. He’s not always-injured Kyrie or Kemba with degenerative issues or anything.

But the point I’m trying to make is you can’t avoid upgrading your roster while in your contention issue because you think someone “might” get injured, or because you think your rookie might be good in 5 years, when your current window will almost certainly be closed. Sixers were really, really dumb not to go all-in and trade Maxey (who was awful in the postseason aside from perhaps one big scoring game) for Lowry. I see it the same way for Golden State. Moody is a good get for them and I do think he will contribute right away, but Kuminga is a terrible pick for their window of contention.

I know the other guy in here thinks it’s conservative to say the Warriors have merely 5 years of contention left, but I think that’s nuts. They MAYBE have 3 years UNLESS they significantly upgrade the roster through FA (impossible, they are capped out) or trades.

[SNPA]

Players are short sighted snd awful GMs. By the middle of next season there is a good chance all 3 of the high draft picks are very solid players with a potential star waiting to burst. Someone like Beal isn’t even necessarily going to make the Warriors better than filling out the bench with versatile multi talented athletes with size and skill. Usually if rookies are quality players, they’ll resemble good rotation players by the end of their rookie year, and will be quality in their second year.

Can’t let your stars bully you into trading all your youth for their friends that don’t necessarily fill needs.

So burn a year and hope for rookies to progress, and maybe next year is better. I’m sure Curry loves that plan.

Or trade for “veterans” that you’re not sure even move the needle or make a noticeable difference.

If you know something we don’t about an MVP candidate being on the block, and the Warriors are dragging their feet, do tell. Because right now, the big get seems to be Christian Wood or Jerami Grant.

I’m sure Curry would have loved trading Klay for Kevin Love too. You know what else Curry would have loved at the time? Going to the Knicks instead of the Warriors. Great call.

This post is fantastic in its ability to dodge.

No one is suggesting trade for vets that don’t move the needle.

The Love and Knicks episodes are ancient history, Curry has a massively different standing now.

And Wood would be much better for GS over the next two years than Wiseman. Myers should jump at that.

[QingJames]

the window is not 2-3 years, the window is 5 years, and that's being conservative, Klay/Steph/Dray are all still in their primes, and now might have the deepest team since the 14-16 Warriors.

we can go deeper into this, but i've already proved on the GB to many people like you why your position is clearly the wrong one.

So 38 year old Curry? And that’s conservative?

Sorry, I don’t see it. This core has a few years left at a championship level. Klay might never be the same, Draymond is clearly starting to decline and Curry can play a long career but he’ll find losing a step makes it harder to get off shots. The arch’s of these rookies and the core don’t intersect soon enough.

of course it's conservative -- Steph doesn't have to be MVP Steph to be a great player...he's 33 and is coming off a top 3 or 4 season of his career, and shooters in general are the one group in the entire NBA that age the best. this also includes Klay, who's still 31 by the way. Dray's only 31 and he's also a skill based player.

and, really, people need stop using the 'Klay will never be the same' argument...that possibility is exactly why we SHOULD'NT make any stupid ass trades right now and completely gut our depth...because if Klay isn't anywhere near his old self, this entire discussion is moot.

and again, there is nothing more valuable in this NBA that rookie scale players that can play...especially ones at THE most valuable position in the NBA (wing) like Kuminga/Moody...will they be that? who knows...if not...guess what? we're still contenders. and if they are...we'll we've just indefinitely extended our window to the next 5 years and beyond.

Curious what you think now that your own GM has come out and essentially said he doesn’t think the team has a window to contend next year, let alone 5+ years.

[clyde21]

So 38 year old Curry? And that’s conservative?

Sorry, I don’t see it. This core has a few years left at a championship level. Klay might never be the same, Draymond is clearly starting to decline and Curry can play a long career but he’ll find losing a step makes it harder to get off shots. The arch’s of these rookies and the core don’t intersect soon enough.

of course it's conservative -- Steph doesn't have to be MVP Steph to be a great player...he's 33 and is coming off a top 3 or 4 season of his career, and shooters in general are the one group in the entire NBA that age the best. this also includes Klay, who's still 31 by the way. Dray's only 31 and he's also a skill based player.

and, really, people need stop using the 'Klay will never be the same' argument...that possibility is exactly why we SHOULD'NT make any stupid ass trades right now and completely gut our depth...because if Klay isn't anywhere near his old self, this entire discussion is moot.

and again, there is nothing more valuable in this NBA that rookie scale players that can play...especially ones at THE most valuable position in the NBA (wing) like Kuminga/Moody...will they be that? who knows...if not...guess what? we're still contenders. and if they are...we'll we've just indefinitely extended our window to the next 5 years and beyond.

Curious what you think now that your own GM has come out and essentially said he doesn’t think the team has a window to contend next year, let alone 5+ years.

when he's talking about where we don't know what our window is without knowing where Klay is? well no ****. all these convos are moot if Klay isn't the same.

Klay not being the same is even more of a prerogative don't to do any stupid ass short sighted trades.

[King Ken]

I generally always think everyone had a solid draft outside of my team where I am a lot more detailed. That said, there are always teams I tend to love more than the norm. Usually it's the Nuggets or Nets.

This year, the high drafting teams, the Hornets, and the Hawks.

I loved what the Pistons, Rockets, Magic, and Warriors did.

Outside of the top 10, Atlanta and Charlotte

DET just had a masterclass draft. While I wasn't a fan of drafting Stewart that high, I loved Bey and Hayes. All three had a great rookie year to a degree. This year, they just continue to hit. Cade is a no brainer. I love him as a prospect. A legit star. After that, Garza and Koprisa just continue the system of center they want in DET which Is a banger who can score in the post and play drop coverage.

Livers is a legit shooter who has some scoring chops where he's not just a C&S guy. They just get guys who fit how they want to play.

Houston had the best draft I've seen in awhile. I felt Green was legit close to Cade. Sengun and Garuba were guys with high upsides who had to play in a specific system to be most effective. Of course, Josh Christopher is more of a Gleague player but his upside as a legit scoring guard off the bench is high.

Loved the Suggs/Wagner and Kuminga/Moody combo.

Charlotte and Atlanta went upside and fit galore and hit big long term. While I have my doubts with all four prospects day 1, they could be some of the best in this class in five years. All went to optimal situations.