With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[garbagnani]

Barnes wingspan is 3 inches longer than Ben. It’s very possible he becomes as good if not better on the defensive end. If he improves his shot which I think he will, I think a better version of Simmons is definitely possible

If he really works hard on his game like we saw with Demar, 25-7-5 with elite defense is doable in his prime

He seems to have the mentality and drive to get there

Ben is the best defender in the NBA IMO. But even if Barnes doesn't reach that level, he can still easily be the better player by just developing a rudimentary offensive game.

Scottie’s D looks amazing in the scouting videos.

[MavCarter]

Watched bob myers post draft conference and he said something interesting about the nba trending toward 4 versatile players that can play multiple positions + a big being on the floor and thats what it honestly sounds like the raptors are gunning for. Also said big wings are the hardest thing to find in the league. Prototypical PGs can be found up and down the draft every year but when you have a player with barnes skillset + size i think you have to take a chance. It hurts not taking suggs but i think the FO made the right choice

[Raps in 4]

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Gonna be a fan favourite

He's just a really likeable dude with a great personality. He's also friends with seemingly every high ranked prospect. Obviously it's a big unknown and it wouldn't even matter for a few years, but if he really pans out to be a star, I feel like he would be a huge asset when it comes to recruiting other great players to join our team. The one thing that we've never been able to do in our entire team's history.

He could end up being a very valuable recruiter.

Demar was friends with literally everyone in the league too. It didn't help attract any FAs, sadly. It certainly doesn't hurt to have a guy like that on the roster though.

[Raps in 4]

Watched bob myers post draft conference and he said something interesting about the nba trending toward 4 versatile players that can play multiple positions + a big being on the floor and thats what it honestly sounds like the raptors are gunning for. Also said big wings are the hardest thing to find in the league. Prototypical PGs can be found up and down the draft every year but when you have a player with barnes skillset + size i think you have to take a chance. It hurts not taking suggs but i think the FO made the right choice

How many good PGs are there in the league though? Finding a player at any position that is good is a challenge. Long, athletic guys aren't that uncommon either. Again, finding good players, regardless of position and body type is the key. Hopefully we found one in Barnes.

[DG88]

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[MavCarter]

Watched bob myers post draft conference and he said something interesting about the nba trending toward 4 versatile players that can play multiple positions + a big being on the floor and thats what it honestly sounds like the raptors are gunning for. Also said big wings are the hardest thing to find in the league. Prototypical PGs can be found up and down the draft every year but when you have a player with barnes skillset + size i think you have to take a chance. It hurts not taking suggs but i think the FO made the right choice

How many good PGs are there in the league though? Finding a player at any position that is good is a challenge. Long, athletic guys aren't that uncommon either. Again, finding good players, regardless of position and body type is the key. Hopefully we found one in Barnes.

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

[Raps in 4]

Watched bob myers post draft conference and he said something interesting about the nba trending toward 4 versatile players that can play multiple positions + a big being on the floor and thats what it honestly sounds like the raptors are gunning for. Also said big wings are the hardest thing to find in the league. Prototypical PGs can be found up and down the draft every year but when you have a player with barnes skillset + size i think you have to take a chance. It hurts not taking suggs but i think the FO made the right choice

How many good PGs are there in the league though? Finding a player at any position that is good is a challenge. Long, athletic guys aren't that uncommon either. Again, finding good players, regardless of position and body type is the key. Hopefully we found one in Barnes.

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

I'm not talking just competent starters, but actual difference makers. An elite PG is just as valuable (and rare) as an elite player at any other position. Steph has been arguably the second best player of the decade, and he's a 6'3" PG. Dame at 6'2" is a top-10 player in the league. It's nice to have a big guy who is skilled for the defensive versatility, but at the end of the day a superstar is a superstar, whether they're 6'1" or 6'11".

[MavCarter]

Also the last 6 drafts straight have had "franchise PGs" selected in the lottery. Worst case scenario we try again in the lotto. Its not like they come around every 5 years though lol

[MavCarter]

How many good PGs are there in the league though? Finding a player at any position that is good is a challenge. Long, athletic guys aren't that uncommon either. Again, finding good players, regardless of position and body type is the key. Hopefully we found one in Barnes.

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

I'm not talking just competent starters, but actual difference makers. An elite PG is just as valuable as an elite player at any position. Steph has been arguably the second best player of the decade, and he's a 6'3" PG. Dame at 6'2" is a top-10 player in the league. It's nice to have a big guy who is skilled for the defensive versatility, but at the end of the day a superstar is a superstar, whether they're 6'1" or 6'11".

Is suggs being a superstar PG a thing? I thought he was more of an all star level brogdon/holiday type pg

[mtcan]

Simmons with good shooting is an amazing player

I totally agree. But that isn't this reality and probably never will be...

If Ben cared enough to learn how to shoot...he would have done it by now. Instead...he's being traded because he doesn't think he needs listen to his coaches and try to improve.

I don't think him working on his shot off game is the issue, I think Ben is just afraid to shoot in game for whatever reason.

It doesn't matter how much you practice your shot if you are not willing to put it into practice in an actual NBA game.

Watch on YouTube

...at around 30 seconds in this clip...Ben says:
"people say you need to score to be this and that...but my team scores like 40 points off of my assists...like what I do...just appreciate what I do"...

Does this sound like the words of someone who genuinely can shoot but is scared? Sounds like the words of a man who doesn't want to learn and would rather people focus on everything but the one thing he can't do and doesn't care to do.

It isn't stage fright. It's a problem of ego. And if he really wants to add this to his game...he probably should have been taking the calls from his coaches especially after Doc Rivers said at the end of the season that he HAS a plan to fix Ben's issues and they need to get on the court in the offseason. Evidently...Ben has no plans to listen and that's why the Sixers are trading him.

I have zero respect for a guy getting paid to be the best he can be but is content being who he currently is. Absolutely unacceptable.

[Raps in 4]

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

I'm not talking just competent starters, but actual difference makers. An elite PG is just as valuable as an elite player at any position. Steph has been arguably the second best player of the decade, and he's a 6'3" PG. Dame at 6'2" is a top-10 player in the league. It's nice to have a big guy who is skilled for the defensive versatility, but at the end of the day a superstar is a superstar, whether they're 6'1" or 6'11".

Is suggs being a superstar PG a thing? I thought he was more of an all star level brogdon/holiday type pg

We don't know what kind of player Suggs is going to be just like we don't know what kind of player Barnes is going to be. Mine was just a general comment that long players aren't automatically better or more valuable because they're rarer. Skill trumps physique.

But let's go with the example that Suggs becomes a Lowry-type player and Barnes becomes a Draymond-type player. Would you have a preference for one or the other? Lowry's impact, despite being nearly a foot shorter, isn't any smaller than Draymond's.

[StopitLeo]

Watched bob myers post draft conference and he said something interesting about the nba trending toward 4 versatile players that can play multiple positions + a big being on the floor and thats what it honestly sounds like the raptors are gunning for. Also said big wings are the hardest thing to find in the league. Prototypical PGs can be found up and down the draft every year but when you have a player with barnes skillset + size i think you have to take a chance. It hurts not taking suggs but i think the FO made the right choice

How many good PGs are there in the league though? Finding a player at any position that is good is a challenge. Long, athletic guys aren't that uncommon either. Again, finding good players, regardless of position and body type is the key. Hopefully we found one in Barnes.

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

Traditional PG's aren't as important now since contenders are built around a big perimeter player that can handle the ball and create scoring opportunities. If your PG can defend and make open 3s that's often good enough - they don't need to run your offense.

[Chandan]

You know what I like about this kid, he's not afraid of using floaters. If he works on it, I can see that being a deadly part of his arsenal when he gets walled off the paint.

“Floater”? What’s a floater??

I’m a vanvleet and Lowry fan so I’m hoping to learn new terminology!

He seems like he likes the floater because of how undeveloped and uncreative his offensive game was. Its not actually a good thing considering an elite prospect shouldnt have trouble finding a higher percentage shot on the college level.
From what I've seen he has the touch for baby hooks but not the floater. Got ways to go if he wants that shot in his arsenal.

[Raps in 4]

How many good PGs are there in the league though? Finding a player at any position that is good is a challenge. Long, athletic guys aren't that uncommon either. Again, finding good players, regardless of position and body type is the key. Hopefully we found one in Barnes.

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

Traditional PG's aren't as important now since contenders are built around a big perimeter player that can handle the ball and create scoring opportunities. If your PG can defend and make open 3s that's often good enough - they don't need to run your offense.

The last great dynasty in the NBA was built around a 6'3" PG.

This year, the other team in the finals was built around 2 guards (6'5" and 6'0"). The team that lost in the ECF was built around a 6'1" PG.

Contenders are built around elite players. It's that simple. An elite PG is just as valuable as an elite SF/PF.

[Vampirate]

Barnes wingspan is 3 inches longer than Ben. It’s very possible he becomes as good if not better on the defensive end. If he improves his shot which I think he will, I think a better version of Simmons is definitely possible

If he really works hard on his game like we saw with Demar, 25-7-5 with elite defense is doable in his prime

He seems to have the mentality and drive to get there

In a way I can't blame them for picking Barnes. Suggs definitely will be good, maybe even an all star, but will Suggs be good enough to outdo what Lowry did pre Kawhi and get the Raptors into true contention?

With Barnes, he either develops enough, or his scoring won't be good.....which means another chance at a game changer.

[Blood Orange]

I originally didn't like the pick with Scottie Barnes but I will say this about Scottie, and that he plays for the team's success rather than individual accolades, which is something I really admire in the best basketball players. He's more interested in helping contribute towards how his team can win and do things that are conducive to the team winning rather than focusing on stat padding and individual success whenever he steps onto the court. I think this is one of the more admirable qualities that I've noted about his basketball playing style and something thats going to be pleasantly enjoyable for the coming years, while he's wears the black and red jersey.

[will]

I originally didn't like the pick with Scottie Barnes but I will say this about Scottie, and that he plays for the team's success rather than individual accolades, which is something I really admire in the best basketball players. He's more interested in helping contribute towards how his team can win and do things that are conducive to the team winning rather than focusing on stat padding and individual success whenever he steps onto the court. I think this is one of the more admirable qualities that I've noted about his basketball playing style and something thats going to be pleasantly enjoyable for the coming years, while he's wears the black and red jersey.

Mans is going to be dropping a few 10 points/10 boards/10 dimes triple dubs this season.

[StopitLeo]

The PG spot is the most stacked position in the league. It would be easier to name the teams that aren't set at PG than are

Traditional PG's aren't as important now since contenders are built around a big perimeter player that can handle the ball and create scoring opportunities. If your PG can defend and make open 3s that's often good enough - they don't need to run your offense.

The last great dynasty in the NBA was built around a 6'3" PG. Contenders are built around elite players. It's that simple.

The Warriors were built around the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA; Curry is hardly a traditional PG.

Contenders are almost always built around elite perimeter players. In cases where the best player is a PF/C the team usually has an elite perimeter player as well.

What was the last team built around a traditional PG that won a title? Exactly. Contenders are not built around PGs.

[MavCarter]

Traditional PG's aren't as important now since contenders are built around a big perimeter player that can handle the ball and create scoring opportunities. If your PG can defend and make open 3s that's often good enough - they don't need to run your offense.

The last great dynasty in the NBA was built around a 6'3" PG. Contenders are built around elite players. It's that simple.

The Warriors were built around the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA; Curry is hardly a traditional PG.

Contenders are almost always built around elite perimeter players. In cases where the best player is a PF/C the team usually has an elite perimeter player as well.

What was the last team built around a traditional PG that won a title? Exactly. Contenders are not built around PGs.

Its also extremely unfair to say the warriors are just built around curry. Completely downplaying the fact that they have the greatest backcourt of all time. Take klay out the equation and the warriors arent the warriors

[gbball]

Traditional PG's aren't as important now since contenders are built around a big perimeter player that can handle the ball and create scoring opportunities. If your PG can defend and make open 3s that's often good enough - they don't need to run your offense.

The last great dynasty in the NBA was built around a 6'3" PG. Contenders are built around elite players. It's that simple.

The Warriors were built around the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA; Curry is hardly a traditional PG.

Contenders are almost always built around elite perimeter players. In cases where the best player is a PF/C the team usually has an elite perimeter player as well.

What was the last team built around a traditional PG that won a title? Exactly. Contenders are not built around PGs.

Isaiah Thomas Pistons were good with him and Dumars.