The Official Franz Wagner Thread

[basketballRob]

Chuma is a playmaker?

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Franz 11.8
Chuma 11.3
Otto 14 pretty close for all 3

I do think Franz will be able to create a little, both off the dribble and passing. Again I am not talking about Orlando Magic Otto Porter, I am talking about Washington Porter. If Franz turns out as good as Porter, it will be a tremendous pick, hopefully we can say the same of Chuma.

I will be curious to see what kind of Contract Otto gets, he still can shoot and defend. Lakers fans are all over themselves thinking they are going to get him for the tax payer MLE. Orlando has a real chance to S&T, or to sign and then trade at the deadline.

My original point was that I compared him to Hayward not because he was white. Hayward has been the player most have compared him to. Franz used to be a 6'4" guard in Europe and was similar to Hayward back then. Also the Chuma similarities came from how smart Franz is on the court.

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My point is that a lot of the draft Prognosticators do only compare white guys to white guys and then we regurgitate it. Or other lazy comps like RJ hamptons most common comp Dante Exum, they look a like. Giddey, Joe ingles, even though Giddey had elite passing stats, while Ingles never passed until he was in the nba, and is just ok

I get what you're saying about white players being compared to white players. If anything I think Wagner gets a bad rap. I've heard people say who's he going to guard, just assuming he can't move his feet, because he's European.

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[cedric76]

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I didn't like Franz's reply about playing with his brother. Something like "he's a free agent" and then never really addressing it. He TOOK Mo's number 21...this seems like a clear indicator that Mo Wagner is leaving...any insights (beyond guesses), anyone address the number thing in interviews?

I'd really like to keep MW...it's not the end of the world, but I like him.

Mo is young and needs playing time and he is unlikely to get some here.
I m sure we want him back but i think his agents isn't sharing the feeling

[PrimeThyme]

I’m not sure I see the AK47 comparisons defensively.

I always thought Isaac with his elite anticipatory shot blocking skills fit the AK47 mold. I don’t think Wagner will be much of an elite rim protector at the next level, but I do think it will be a skill of his.

I can absolutely see the Hayward comp offensively, however. To get a better defending above average starting SF like Hayward at the 8 spot would be a homerun.

[basketballRob]

I’m not sure I see the AK47 comparisons defensively.

I always thought Isaac with his elite anticipatory shot blocking skills fit the AK47 mold. I don’t think Wagner will be much of an elite rim protector at the next level, but I do think it will be a skill of his.

I can absolutely see the Hayward comp offensively, however. To get a better defending above average starting SF like Hayward at the 8 spot would be a homerun.

Hayward went 9th in the draft.

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[KillMonger]

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My original point was that I compared him to Hayward not because he was white. Hayward has been the player most have compared him to. Franz used to be a 6'4" guard in Europe and was similar to Hayward back then. Also the Chuma similarities came from how smart Franz is on the court.

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My point is that a lot of the draft Prognosticators do only compare white guys to white guys and then we regurgitate it. Or other lazy comps like RJ hamptons most common comp Dante Exum, they look a like. Giddey, Joe ingles, even though Giddey had elite passing stats, while Ingles never passed until he was in the nba, and is just ok

I get what you're saying about white players being compared to white players. If anything I think Wagner gets a bad rap. I've heard people say who's he going to guard, just assuming he can't move his feet, because he's European.

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He could be compared to Tayshaun Prince or Lamar Odom.

[Gawn2TMac]

Getting Hedo Turkoglu vibes

[RookieStar]

My point is that a lot of the draft Prognosticators do only compare white guys to white guys and then we regurgitate it. Or other lazy comps like RJ hamptons most common comp Dante Exum, they look a like. Giddey, Joe ingles, even though Giddey had elite passing stats, while Ingles never passed until he was in the nba, and is just ok

I get what you're saying about white players being compared to white players. If anything I think Wagner gets a bad rap. I've heard people say who's he going to guard, just assuming he can't move his feet, because he's European.

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He could be compared to Tayshaun Prince or Lamar Odom.

Yeah.. Lamar Odom in his CLips career. I kinda get that as well.

[Horcy]

I didn't like Franz's reply about playing with his brother. Something like "he's a free agent" and then never really addressing it. He TOOK Mo's number 21...this seems like a clear indicator that Mo Wagner is leaving...any insights (beyond guesses), anyone address the number thing in interviews?

I'd really like to keep MW...it's not the end of the world, but I like him.

We need to understand that Mo is Franz's brother and not the opposite. Even Mo is older.
I guess it's already clear for them...

[drsd]

Jamahl Mosley has a with shoes height of 6'8" Wagner towers over that.

As Mosley looks exactly half way in height between Suggs and Wagner (assuming the Magic emblems are level), Wagner looks closer to 7' than 6'10 for this photo at least.

Another way to look at this is the average human head is 8-9 inches in length. Wagner's chin is just below Suggs max height, having Wagner at more like 6'10".

[KillMonger]

In that photo my eyes might be playing tricks on me but if coach Mo 6'8 then there is no way Suggs is just 6'4...looks taller than that

[dc]

I'm not gonna lie. When I first saw the truncated title to this thread from the main board, I thought it was going to read:

"WELCOME TO ORLANDO FRAN VAZQUEZ" as if someone was digging up a really old thread.

[yoyojw17]

I’m not sure I see the AK47 comparisons defensively.

I always thought Isaac with his elite anticipatory shot blocking skills fit the AK47 mold. I don’t think Wagner will be much of an elite rim protector at the next level, but I do think it will be a skill of his.

I can absolutely see the Hayward comp offensively, however. To get a better defending above average starting SF like Hayward at the 8 spot would be a homerun.

Yup.... the more i watch of him... the more i see a taller version of hayward.... and that will be a big win for us. And when you watch his highlights... there's not much i don't see translating to the nba.

[yoyojw17]

Jamahl Mosley has a with shoes height of 6'8" Wagner towers over that.

As Mosley looks exactly half way in height between Suggs and Wagner (assuming the Magic emblems are level), Wagner looks closer to 7' than 6'10 for this photo at least.

Another way to look at this is the average human head is 8-9 inches in length. Wagner's chin is just below Suggs max height, having Wagner at more like 6'10".

THanks for getting this. i meant to take a snap of the youtube video but this was the one view i saw that made me go.... yup... he's pushing or at 6'10-11" easily.

[Skybox]

Jamahl Mosley has a with shoes height of 6'8" Wagner towers over that.

As Mosley looks exactly half way in height between Suggs and Wagner (assuming the Magic emblems are level), Wagner looks closer to 7' than 6'10 for this photo at least.

Another way to look at this is the average human head is 8-9 inches in length. Wagner's chin is just below Suggs max height, having Wagner at more like 6'10".

THanks for getting this. i meant to take a snap of the youtube video but this was the one view i saw that made me go.... yup... he's pushing or at 6'10-11" easily.

I know those are NBA players but I figure Weltman goes about 5'9, 140...can't really tell wingspan

[Cderryberry]

I say 6’11 which is the rumors on the Michigan boards also

Jamahl Mosley has a with shoes height of 6'8" Wagner towers over that.

As Mosley looks exactly half way in height between Suggs and Wagner (assuming the Magic emblems are level), Wagner looks closer to 7' than 6'10 for this photo at least.

Another way to look at this is the average human head is 8-9 inches in length. Wagner's chin is just below Suggs max height, having Wagner at more like 6'10".

[OrlandoMagic]

Wish they could stand in order smallest to tallest like we did as kids.

[RookieStar]

In that photo my eyes might be playing tricks on me but if coach Mo 6'8 then there is no way Suggs is just 6'4...looks taller than that

I kept saying that.. If coach Mo is 6'8 even with shoes.. Suggs is 6'5 to 6'6..

Then again someone said Adam Silver is 6'3 and Suggs does look only half an inch taller than Silver. lol

[jonbob17]

Jamahl Mosley has a with shoes height of 6'8" Wagner towers over that.

As Mosley looks exactly half way in height between Suggs and Wagner (assuming the Magic emblems are level), Wagner looks closer to 7' than 6'10 for this photo at least.

Another way to look at this is the average human head is 8-9 inches in length. Wagner's chin is just below Suggs max height, having Wagner at more like 6'10".

Is it good or bad if he actually grew a couple inches? I am not sure. I just want to make sure we didn’t just draft a 4/5 with ball skills. Is taller always better?

[KillMonger]

Jamahl Mosley has a with shoes height of 6'8" Wagner towers over that.

As Mosley looks exactly half way in height between Suggs and Wagner (assuming the Magic emblems are level), Wagner looks closer to 7' than 6'10 for this photo at least.

Another way to look at this is the average human head is 8-9 inches in length. Wagner's chin is just below Suggs max height, having Wagner at more like 6'10".

Is it good or bad if he actually grew a couple inches? I am not sure. I just want to make sure we didn’t just draft a 4/5 with ball skills. Is taller always better?

He's a 3/4 with 4/5 height....it's good...because there isn't many players his height that can do what he can do....i mean you can probably count on one hand maybe two how many 6'10+ players that can move like wings....even less when you factor in on defense he can switch onto whatever player and hold his own