Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[jangles86]

Kuzma will take minutes off Rui and very similar players.

I’m happy for Kuzma to be traded.

[thinker07]

I'm confident that there will still be a major(ish) move for a veteran PG. I also find it unlikely that all 3 of Harrell, Kuzma, and KCP will be on the team by the end of next week.

I note that Kuzma and Harrell have posted "I'm excited to be coming to DC" type social media messages and KCP has not. I also note that supposedly KCP and his wife are the NBA best friends of Beal and wife. So I think they'd like to keep him. Literally EVERYTHING is about keeping Beal happy. I think Beal is super smart and is in total communication with Shepherd, but quietly. I think he has been in agreement with the moves so far -- Wes, Jr , draft, and WB trade. I take Beal at his word that he wants to stay AND wants to make progress towards winning. That means getting an acceptable veteran PG.

In less than a year, the Wiz moved off Wall's contract and now off WB's. Beal made All NBA, almost lead the NBA in scoring, Allstar starter would have been starter on Olympic team, Wiz have changed to a higher upside coach. They have some interesting young guys that definitely could develop and grow into good players. If they add a good PG, then the Wiz will likely have a solid if unspectacular roster that can compete most nights. Depending on what happens with the PG position, the Wiz will have significantly more cap flexibility NEXT offseason. So I think the Wiz are making progress digging out from the years of crap management. It's slow but starting to show promise.

I would bet that Beal makes a progress payment later this summer by picking up his option for 22-23 and adding another option for 23-24. I don't think we're exactly there yet, but if we finish out FA with at least a good PG, that's what I expect will happen. I really don't think Beal wants a whole year of every single day being asked whether he's leaving at the end of the year.

[payitforward]

OTOH --

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263553/Spencer-Dinwiddie-To-Wizards-Gains-Momentum-With-Kyle-Kuzma-Or-Montrezl-Harrell-Going-To-Nets

What are your responses to this? You want Dinwiddie? Assume we give up Kuzma in the deal....

Not a fan of Dinwiddie to be honest…I much rather a trade for Derrick White or Lonzo Ball.

His 3 pt shooting percentages are consistently pretty bad…and his D is also subpar

With a pg, more things matter than just 3-point percentage. It's important but it's not the end-all and be all. The problem with Lonzo is that in the halfcourt he's basically only a spot-up shooter. It's tough to have a pg that cannot consistently break down his man. Last year Lonzo averaged only 1.2 ft's a game. At the same time, Dinwiddie averaged 7 ft's a game last year. With Dinwiddie, we can project that he will be able to consistently get to the hole and force the defense to collapse. This will allow us to force defenses to help off of shooters or give up open drives. In 2019-2020, Dinwiddie was 11th in ft's. And to discuss his low 3-point percentage, I would point out that in the 2019-2020 season only 11.1% of his shots were "spot-up". I expect that this will percentage will drastically increase and as a result so will his 3-point percentage. Ideally, you'd have a player that can do it all. Get to the hoop at an elite level and be a knockdown 3-point shooter. In addition, it's very likely that Dinwiddie can improve his 3-point shooting.

White is a better comparison but I would point out that comparing him to Dinwiddie is an inherently unfair comparison. White has never been asked to lead a team. In Dinwiddie's last real year in Brooklyn, he was the first option. In addition, we should point out that Dinwiddie improves consistently unlike White, and that Dinwiddie is a way better playmaker than White. For Dinwiddie's career he has an assist percentage of 30% while White's is 19%.

If you survey who's actually available at pg it's really hard to make the case that Dinwiddie isn't the best realistic option for the Wizards imo. The fit next to Beal is very good. At 6'5 215, we could choose to put Dinwiddie on 2's and have Beal guard 1's. In addition, it is rare to play against teams that have exceptional guards as defenders. By having both guards that are elite at breaking down their man, we greatly improve our overall offensive efficiency. That combined with our ability to space the floor with shooters - Kispert, Caldwell-Pope, Bertans will make it very tough for defenses. If Hachimura and Avdija continue to improve their shooting it will serve to make us that much better. Lastly, Dinwiddie has no problem playing off-ball. This will allow players like Avdija and Rui to take more of an initiating role offensively. If we can successfully add Dinwiddie, this will be the best team we've had in my lifetime. The pieces fit together well and I could see us giving a teams fits. Perhaps the best of all is that we would still maintain the ability to add a max player if they become available.

Lastly, I expect Bradley Beal to ascend into the MVP conversation. Surrounding Beal with 3-point shooting and forcing teams to either help off of shooters to stop Beal or stay home on shooters and leave Beal matched up one-on-one. If Beal can add 3's off the dribble like Lillard/Steph/Trae, I think he will be in the MVP conversation. Also, look for the assist numbers to increase now that ball-dominant Westbrook is gone. I don't think 30/7/5 is out of the question for Beal. We would still have a long way to go to build a championship contender but with how everything fits, the age of our players and the potential to have cap space this is easily the closest we've been to becoming a legit contender since 1980.

First off, I want to commend you for this sharp, thoughtful & analytical breakdown of Dinwiddie. It's especially impressive to me, because I just finished reading your outstanding analysis of Kispert. As in any subject not just basketball, a person taking such a close look & with such powerful analytic tools is definitely producing value.

I'm not saying you'll turn out to be right about either of these guys (I feel more confident about Kispert, that's for sure); tbh, I'm not equipped to make the call on what you've written, as it would be way beyond me to produce something of this value.

I still don't want Dinwiddie -- but for a much cruder reason: he's too damned expensive. If we get rid of Bertans in the deal that brings him (or in some other way that doesn't acquire a different bad contract), it might be more palatable. But, Dinwiddie is going to cost $20-25m, I think. There's no way he's worth that, & the combination of 2 significantly overpaid players eating up $40m of cap room will inevitably wind up crippling us.

Great work, prime -- really terrific.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Maybe we could re-acquire Troy Bown Jr to be our PG?

[80sballboy]

I'm fine with Tommy getting Dinwiddie for Kuzma and something else. I know they reportedly turned down Harrell and Kuzma. Maybe they just want one mediocre contract. I guess they wouldn't want Bertans, who I still think we'll deal somewhere.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-wizards-likely-acquire-spencer-190025785.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

According to Fred Katz and Shams, the Nets want more than Kuzma and Harrell for Dinwiddie.

As for Dinwiddie, I don't want to ignore the numbers, but I think he's a good fit with Beal, who at 6-3 is helped by playing with a taller point guard. As for him shooting too much and getting less assists? He is a scoring point guard, but let's face it. That Nets team he played with 20919-20 (when he averaged 20.6ppg) was limited due to injuries. Kyrie played 20 games that year. Caris Levert played 45. Dinwiddie played 64 and outside of his mediocre-at-best three-point shooting, my biggest concern with him is health. Let's hope they don't overpay him even though he wants to play with Beal.

He's a slasher and mid-range guy. A bit like Westbrook. I'm fine with him as long as he plays with shooters like Beal, KCP, Kispert, maybe Bertans or Kuzma. Bryant in a PNR.

Yes, it would have been nice had they drafted a young point guard to groom behind him.

Also, weird that I haven't heard us being involved with Ball.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I would actually be interested in Dunn.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

G S. Dinwiddie, A. Holiday, C. Winston
G B. Beal, K. Caldwell-Pope, G. Mathews
F D. Avdija,C. Kispert
F R. Hachimura, D. Bertans, I. Todd
C D. Gafford, T. Bryant

35-45 wins. I think health determines if they make the playoffs. Trading Russ for basically Dinwiddie, KCP & Holiday seems decent on the surface but does it really move the needle? No.

If we're three games out of the 8th seed in January and Beal asks out, then what?

Dinwiddie
Beal
Kispert
Hachimura
Bryant

*Bench Gafford, KCP, Bertans, Holiday, Deni

I know Gafford was great LAST SEASON. This season we won't have lobs from Westbrook. Start an offensive shooter at SF and C and bench them quickly whenever they're overmatched. Gafford's will play 25 plus if not more and he's going to likely be in the game at the end for defense.

I would start Kispert with Hachimura just because.

Piss off Bertans and really give Deni the CONFIDENCE if he knows he's better than Kispert--which he MIGHT NOT BE.

I think KCP is a pros pro. Tell him you're experimenting and he's a known quantity.

Use Holiday whenever Beal gets too tired. if too tired to play D, that's when Holiday and KCP step in.

I would start off with this lineup and I'd EXPECT to win 50 games. Most nights Bertans, Beal, and super high efficiency at C CAN win.

Last season we had midgets at PG. This season's going to be TOTALLY different.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Maybe we could re-acquire Troy Bown Jr to be our PG?

YES, if Beal thinks so.

Aaron Rodgers got the GB Packers to reacquire one of his favorite receivers. Trading Troy for Gafford; then getting back a promising player (defends, distributes, might have better game sans Westbrook) is a solid move.

Troy with Deni around Brad makes sense to me.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

With Orlando getting Suggs, what about looking into a deal for Fultz or Cole Anthony?

They also have RJ Hampton, and Michael Carter-Williams.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Fultz and Bamba for ....

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[gesa2]

With Orlando getting Suggs, what about looking into a deal for Fultz or Cole Anthony?

They also have RJ Hampton, and Michael Carter-Williams.

Not much interest in Anthony or Fultz . Neither is good enough to move the needle. Maybe Hampton for a small asset but doubt they’d trade him

[Dat2U]

G S. Dinwiddie, A. Holiday, C. Winston
G B. Beal, K. Caldwell-Pope, G. Mathews
F D. Avdija,C. Kispert
F R. Hachimura, D. Bertans, I. Todd
C D. Gafford, T. Bryant

35-45 wins. I think health determines if they make the playoffs. Trading Russ for basically Dinwiddie, KCP & Holiday seems decent on the surface but does it really move the needle? No.

If we're three games out of the 8th seed in January and Beal asks out, then what?

Dinwiddie
Beal
Kispert
Hachimura
Bryant

*Bench Gafford, KCP, Bertans, Holiday, Deni

I know Gafford was great LAST SEASON. This season we won't have lobs from Westbrook. Start an offensive shooter at SF and C and bench them quickly whenever they're overmatched. Gafford's will play 25 plus if not more and he's going to likely be in the game at the end for defense.

I would start Kispert with Hachimura just because.

Piss off Bertans and really give Deni the CONFIDENCE if he knows he's better than Kispert--which he MIGHT NOT BE.

I think KCP is a pros pro. Tell him you're experimenting and he's a known quantity.

Use Holiday whenever Beal gets too tired. if too tired to play D, that's when Holiday and KCP step in.

I would start off with this lineup and I'd EXPECT to win 50 games. Most nights Bertans, Beal, and super high efficiency at C CAN win.

Last season we had midgets at PG. This season's going to be TOTALLY different.

The defense is trash. Dinwiddie & Beal are poor defenders. Kispert certainly won't be a plus. Hachimura still struggles with team concepts although improved. That lineup would give up 130 regularly. Gafford's rim protection is a must if we're getting Dinwiddie - a downgrade from Westbrook defensively and on the boards. Avdija's defense on the perimeter is desperately needed as well IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

G S. Dinwiddie, A. Holiday, C. Winston
G B. Beal, K. Caldwell-Pope, G. Mathews
F D. Avdija,C. Kispert
F R. Hachimura, D. Bertans, I. Todd
C D. Gafford, T. Bryant

35-45 wins. I think health determines if they make the playoffs. Trading Russ for basically Dinwiddie, KCP & Holiday seems decent on the surface but does it really move the needle? No.

If we're three games out of the 8th seed in January and Beal asks out, then what?

Dinwiddie
Beal
Kispert
Hachimura
Bryant

*Bench Gafford, KCP, Bertans, Holiday, Deni

I know Gafford was great LAST SEASON. This season we won't have lobs from Westbrook. Start an offensive shooter at SF and C and bench them quickly whenever they're overmatched. Gafford's will play 25 plus if not more and he's going to likely be in the game at the end for defense.

I would start Kispert with Hachimura just because.

Piss off Bertans and really give Deni the CONFIDENCE if he knows he's better than Kispert--which he MIGHT NOT BE.

I think KCP is a pros pro. Tell him you're experimenting and he's a known quantity.

Use Holiday whenever Beal gets too tired. if too tired to play D, that's when Holiday and KCP step in.

I would start off with this lineup and I'd EXPECT to win 50 games. Most nights Bertans, Beal, and super high efficiency at C CAN win.

Last season we had midgets at PG. This season's going to be TOTALLY different.

The defense is trash. Dinwiddie & Beal are poor defenders. Kispert certainly won't be a plus. Hachimura still struggles with team concepts although improved. That lineup would give up 130 regularly. Gafford's rim protection is a must if we're getting Dinwiddie - a downgrade from Westbrook defensively and on the boards. Avdija's defense on the perimeter is desperately needed as well IMO.

I don't think Dinwiddie is necessarily the answer.

How about go with Dennis Smith at PG?

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[mhd]

I don't know if the Cavs plan on keeping Rubio, but he's he PG I'd target. Great defender, leader, and can pass. Obviously not a great shooter, but we could do worse on an expiring.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Wizards and Siakam talk??

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[gambitx777]

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I don't like it. I think we have a good shot to have a decent team right now as is.cpascal is good but I can see the asking price being stupid.

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[Dark Faze]

We get a bit of breathing room and it seems like Tommy is about to pull a "summer of KD" by instantly burning assets/space on a bad free agency class.

Dinwiddie wants 3 years 20 million minimum apparently. Hell naw.

[gambitx777]

We get a bit of breathing room and it seems like Tommy is about to pull a "summer of KD" by instantly burning assets/space on a bad free agency class.

Dinwiddie wants 3 years 20 million minimum apparently. Hell naw.

I would absolutely give Lonzo 5/100 and 4/80 but dinwidie ain't worth it. Cuz with Lonzo he's 23 improing and you can front load it so if Beal leaves in two years he's still a 25 year old asset with a ok contract. You can't do that with dinwidie.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

We get a bit of breathing room and it seems like Tommy is about to pull a "summer of KD" by instantly burning assets/space on a bad free agency class.

Dinwiddie wants 3 years 20 million minimum apparently. Hell naw.

I don't want Dinwiddie. I'd rather just roll with Holiday.

[gambitx777]

We get a bit of breathing room and it seems like Tommy is about to pull a "summer of KD" by instantly burning assets/space on a bad free agency class.

Dinwiddie wants 3 years 20 million minimum apparently. Hell naw.

I don't want Dinwiddie. I'd rather just roll with Holiday.

Imagine getting ball, and dinwidie (on cheaper than he wants)
Ball, holiday
Beal , dinwidie
We have a good 4 man rotation of guard that compliment each other two defender shooters who can pass with 2 all out explosive guard and you can sub them in and out.

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