Suggs reportedly had a bad workout with the Raptors

[John Murdoch]

Lol this thread is the equivilant of " Becky hammond was rumored to be Lazy"

[ItsDanger]

Lol this thread is the equivilant of " Becky hammond was rumored to be Lazy"

If you're from LA, you should know fake people better than us.

[ac1011990]

You never draft for need. You always draft BPA. The Raptors felt like Barnes was the BPA and apparently they weren't alone as many other teams had Barnes in their top 4 and some even had him at #3.

The problem is you're seeing this is as a sprint and not a marathon. Suggs would've filled more of a need but from all accounts his ceiling is far lower.

OG was not miles better as a shooter than Barnes. He shot 47% from the FT line in his freshman season. Siakam also couldn't shoot and was 2-3 years older than Barnes was. And I mentioned this previously, Kawhi shot 20% from the 3pt line in his freshman season. In his sophmore season he shot 27%. Not only does Barnes have an incredibly high ceiling but his floor is also very high. Even if he never improves his jumpshot (which is highly unlikely), the guy is still going to be a very solid player in this league because of what he can do on the court.

Ok, if your going to argue that OG wasn’t a better shooter then Barnes, I’m not sure it’s even worth replying back. Ya, he wasn’t a good FT shooter but he’s always been a good catch and shoot guy, especially at the 3pt line. His TS was 62 vs 53 for Barnes, his 2P% was higher, his 3P% was higher, he was known as a catch and shoot guy who could occasionally straight line drive and dunk. Kawhi and Barnes didn’t have the same offensive role. I’ll compare college postseasons. Kawhi averaged about 14 fga per game, during his 3 games Barnes took 15 shots in total…. his first 2, he shot 4. It’s not simply “oooooo he had a lower fg so he must be worse on offense”. Jalen Green has a lower overall fg% then Barnes, are you going to sit here and tell me Scottie is the better offensive player? Sure, I’ll give you Siakam, dude wasnt good offensively but he worked hard and got better over the years. I’m hoping Barnes does the same.

It’s just weird to me how people on here are acting like Suggs was a draft for fit guy when the reality is he was probably going to be taken by most teams ahead of Barnes. The fact that our pick shocked people, proves just that. When you have 2 guys who are pretty equal, ya sometimes you have to think about fit. It’s ridiculous how your sitting here telling me I’m being short sighted becuase I think Suggs would have been a better fit for our team. You people are acting like the talent difference between Barnes and Suggs is like Cade and Sharife Cooper. Suggs and Barnes are are in the same tier, with Suggs possibly being higher because of his well roundedness. Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out? So ya, I feel like we messed up but it is what it is. I’m going to cheer for the dude and hope he becomes a superstar. I know he’s massively talented and a great prospect but these kinds of decisions can crumble a front office. It’s ok to play around with the 20th pick but if Suggs is clearly the better pick in a few years, I’ll be pissed. Anyways, I’m done complaining, nothing anyone can do. I’m excited to see what the kid can do and where the season goes.

You said he was MILES better but OG shot 52% from the FT line during his college career. He shot 36% from the 3pt line BUT only 31% in his sophomore season. In OG's 2nd year he was 14/45 from the 3pt line. Barnes was 11/40 in his freshman year. Barnes also shot better from the FT line than OG did. To act like OG was a MILES better shooter than Barnes is just simply not true. You say that Kawhi and Barnes didn't have the same offensive role but do you really think OG and Barnes did? Did you ever watch OG in college? Guy was never a primary ball handler on his team, scored most of his points in transition, off put backs and the shots he did take were largely created by others. Barnes was one of the primary ball handlers on his team.

Also why are you comparing postseasons and not the regular season which has a significantly larger sample size? Per 40 minutes Barnes took 1 less shot per game than Kawhi and the same amount of threes at a better percentage. And it's also important to note that none of these guys took a lot of threes which is why it's silly to think that OG was some kind of marksmen when in reality he barely took 3's and there was a huge disparity between his 1st year 3pt percentages and his 2nd year percentages and likely the reason for the big drop off was in his 2nd year he attempted far more shots and played significantly more minutes. The bottom line is he was a poor shooter and the numbers prove it.

I agree with you on Siakam, he worked hard and improved his jumpshot. Just like OG did. Barnes can hopefully do the same. To say OG was miles better than Barnes is wrong though. Was he a better shooter? Yes, but not miles better.

The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans. And once again, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said Suggs wasn't the better fit. I said that you should never draft someone based on fit. You draft based on BPA. That's why they drafted Barnes and not Suggs. They felt Barnes was the better player with the higher ceiling and they weren't the only team that felt that way.

"Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out?"

Dude, just stop. That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to get into that last paragraph that you wrote because there is just way too much to untangle there. But to think Bruno's ceiling was KD like is absolutely absurd. Bruno was the 20th pick of the draft and went way off his draft board to draft him. No one even knew who he was. Why in the world would teams let a KD like player slip to 20?

And no, the types of decisions that crumble franchises are drafting for fit in the top 5 of the lottery. Barnes isn't some unknown prospect. The dude can ball and has a high floor and an extremely high ceiling. Even if he never improves his jumpshot he's going to have a successful NBA career. The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid

The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

. If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

[Raps in 4]

Ok, if your going to argue that OG wasn’t a better shooter then Barnes, I’m not sure it’s even worth replying back. Ya, he wasn’t a good FT shooter but he’s always been a good catch and shoot guy, especially at the 3pt line. His TS was 62 vs 53 for Barnes, his 2P% was higher, his 3P% was higher, he was known as a catch and shoot guy who could occasionally straight line drive and dunk. Kawhi and Barnes didn’t have the same offensive role. I’ll compare college postseasons. Kawhi averaged about 14 fga per game, during his 3 games Barnes took 15 shots in total…. his first 2, he shot 4. It’s not simply “oooooo he had a lower fg so he must be worse on offense”. Jalen Green has a lower overall fg% then Barnes, are you going to sit here and tell me Scottie is the better offensive player? Sure, I’ll give you Siakam, dude wasnt good offensively but he worked hard and got better over the years. I’m hoping Barnes does the same.

It’s just weird to me how people on here are acting like Suggs was a draft for fit guy when the reality is he was probably going to be taken by most teams ahead of Barnes. The fact that our pick shocked people, proves just that. When you have 2 guys who are pretty equal, ya sometimes you have to think about fit. It’s ridiculous how your sitting here telling me I’m being short sighted becuase I think Suggs would have been a better fit for our team. You people are acting like the talent difference between Barnes and Suggs is like Cade and Sharife Cooper. Suggs and Barnes are are in the same tier, with Suggs possibly being higher because of his well roundedness. Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out? So ya, I feel like we messed up but it is what it is. I’m going to cheer for the dude and hope he becomes a superstar. I know he’s massively talented and a great prospect but these kinds of decisions can crumble a front office. It’s ok to play around with the 20th pick but if Suggs is clearly the better pick in a few years, I’ll be pissed. Anyways, I’m done complaining, nothing anyone can do. I’m excited to see what the kid can do and where the season goes.

You said he was MILES better but OG shot 52% from the FT line during his college career. He shot 36% from the 3pt line BUT only 31% in his sophomore season. In OG's 2nd year he was 14/45 from the 3pt line. Barnes was 11/40 in his freshman year. Barnes also shot better from the FT line than OG did. To act like OG was a MILES better shooter than Barnes is just simply not true. You say that Kawhi and Barnes didn't have the same offensive role but do you really think OG and Barnes did? Did you ever watch OG in college? Guy was never a primary ball handler on his team, scored most of his points in transition, off put backs and the shots he did take were largely created by others. Barnes was one of the primary ball handlers on his team.

Also why are you comparing postseasons and not the regular season which has a significantly larger sample size? Per 40 minutes Barnes took 1 less shot per game than Kawhi and the same amount of threes at a better percentage. And it's also important to note that none of these guys took a lot of threes which is why it's silly to think that OG was some kind of marksmen when in reality he barely took 3's and there was a huge disparity between his 1st year 3pt percentages and his 2nd year percentages and likely the reason for the big drop off was in his 2nd year he attempted far more shots and played significantly more minutes. The bottom line is he was a poor shooter and the numbers prove it.

I agree with you on Siakam, he worked hard and improved his jumpshot. Just like OG did. Barnes can hopefully do the same. To say OG was miles better than Barnes is wrong though. Was he a better shooter? Yes, but not miles better.

The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans. And once again, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said Suggs wasn't the better fit. I said that you should never draft someone based on fit. You draft based on BPA. That's why they drafted Barnes and not Suggs. They felt Barnes was the better player with the higher ceiling and they weren't the only team that felt that way.

"Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out?"

Dude, just stop. That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to get into that last paragraph that you wrote because there is just way too much to untangle there. But to think Bruno's ceiling was KD like is absolutely absurd. Bruno was the 20th pick of the draft and went way off his draft board to draft him. No one even knew who he was. Why in the world would teams let a KD like player slip to 20?

And no, the types of decisions that crumble franchises are drafting for fit in the top 5 of the lottery. Barnes isn't some unknown prospect. The dude can ball and has a high floor and an extremely high ceiling. Even if he never improves his jumpshot he's going to have a successful NBA career. The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid

The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

. If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

The amount of coping and revisionist history on this forum has reached insane levels. The place went from complete shambles to total, unfettered homerism with the flip of a switch. Suggs is now a low-ceiling bust after being projected as the next CP3/Brandon Roy for weeks, while Barnes has gone from poor man's Draymond/MKG 2.0 to the next Magic Johnson/Kawhi Leonard/T-Mac hybrid. But then again, that's always been this fan base.

[Clay Davis]

Sung to the tune of Scrubs:

Suggs, I ain't want no Suggs,
Scottie on a level that Suggs will never be,
Switchable 1 through 5, length and size, better by season 3

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Man it really shows ur age if u get this. Yes I can hear the chorus in my head lol.

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It's a classic

[Ado05]

I doubt the Raptors would put that much stock into one workout when they've been tracking these guys since HS.

[Los_29]

You said he was MILES better but OG shot 52% from the FT line during his college career. He shot 36% from the 3pt line BUT only 31% in his sophomore season. In OG's 2nd year he was 14/45 from the 3pt line. Barnes was 11/40 in his freshman year. Barnes also shot better from the FT line than OG did. To act like OG was a MILES better shooter than Barnes is just simply not true. You say that Kawhi and Barnes didn't have the same offensive role but do you really think OG and Barnes did? Did you ever watch OG in college? Guy was never a primary ball handler on his team, scored most of his points in transition, off put backs and the shots he did take were largely created by others. Barnes was one of the primary ball handlers on his team.

Also why are you comparing postseasons and not the regular season which has a significantly larger sample size? Per 40 minutes Barnes took 1 less shot per game than Kawhi and the same amount of threes at a better percentage. And it's also important to note that none of these guys took a lot of threes which is why it's silly to think that OG was some kind of marksmen when in reality he barely took 3's and there was a huge disparity between his 1st year 3pt percentages and his 2nd year percentages and likely the reason for the big drop off was in his 2nd year he attempted far more shots and played significantly more minutes. The bottom line is he was a poor shooter and the numbers prove it.

I agree with you on Siakam, he worked hard and improved his jumpshot. Just like OG did. Barnes can hopefully do the same. To say OG was miles better than Barnes is wrong though. Was he a better shooter? Yes, but not miles better.

The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans. And once again, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said Suggs wasn't the better fit. I said that you should never draft someone based on fit. You draft based on BPA. That's why they drafted Barnes and not Suggs. They felt Barnes was the better player with the higher ceiling and they weren't the only team that felt that way.

"Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out?"

Dude, just stop. That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to get into that last paragraph that you wrote because there is just way too much to untangle there. But to think Bruno's ceiling was KD like is absolutely absurd. Bruno was the 20th pick of the draft and went way off his draft board to draft him. No one even knew who he was. Why in the world would teams let a KD like player slip to 20?

And no, the types of decisions that crumble franchises are drafting for fit in the top 5 of the lottery. Barnes isn't some unknown prospect. The dude can ball and has a high floor and an extremely high ceiling. Even if he never improves his jumpshot he's going to have a successful NBA career. The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid

The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

. If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

The amount of coping and revisionist history on this forum has reached insane levels. The place went from complete shambles to total, unfettered homerism with the flip of a switch. Suggs is now a low-ceiling bust after being projected as the next CP3/Brandon Roy for weeks, while Barnes has gone from poor man's Draymond/MKG 2.0 to the next Magic Johnson/Kawhi Leonard/T-Mac hybrid. But then again, that's always been this fan base.

The reading comprehension on this board is actually quite sad to see. You guys continue to put words into my mouth. I never said that Suggs is going to be a bust. I've said that his comparable/ceiling is Jrue Holiday/Billups (which I was saying before the draft). I also said that this would be a great outcome for a 4th pick and would make this team significantly better in the future. However, if you think that another player has a higher ceiling than that then you gotta go for it. It's quite clear that the FO thought that Barnes has a higher ceiling than Suggs.

This board cracks me up. You guys need to calm down.

[junot111]

Lol this thread is the equivilant of " Becky hammond was rumored to be Lazy"

Not really.

Becky Hammon:
- The rumors were about her performance in past jobs, not her interview.
- The rumors came out AFTER she was passed for the job. Most suspect this was put out by Trailblazers org to justify their decision.

Jalen Suggs:
- The rumors were about his draft workouts with the Raps. That would be equivalent to Becky performing terribly in her interview.
- The rumors came out before the draft selection was even made from various sources.

[Los_29]

Ok, if your going to argue that OG wasn’t a better shooter then Barnes, I’m not sure it’s even worth replying back. Ya, he wasn’t a good FT shooter but he’s always been a good catch and shoot guy, especially at the 3pt line. His TS was 62 vs 53 for Barnes, his 2P% was higher, his 3P% was higher, he was known as a catch and shoot guy who could occasionally straight line drive and dunk. Kawhi and Barnes didn’t have the same offensive role. I’ll compare college postseasons. Kawhi averaged about 14 fga per game, during his 3 games Barnes took 15 shots in total…. his first 2, he shot 4. It’s not simply “oooooo he had a lower fg so he must be worse on offense”. Jalen Green has a lower overall fg% then Barnes, are you going to sit here and tell me Scottie is the better offensive player? Sure, I’ll give you Siakam, dude wasnt good offensively but he worked hard and got better over the years. I’m hoping Barnes does the same.

It’s just weird to me how people on here are acting like Suggs was a draft for fit guy when the reality is he was probably going to be taken by most teams ahead of Barnes. The fact that our pick shocked people, proves just that. When you have 2 guys who are pretty equal, ya sometimes you have to think about fit. It’s ridiculous how your sitting here telling me I’m being short sighted becuase I think Suggs would have been a better fit for our team. You people are acting like the talent difference between Barnes and Suggs is like Cade and Sharife Cooper. Suggs and Barnes are are in the same tier, with Suggs possibly being higher because of his well roundedness. Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out? So ya, I feel like we messed up but it is what it is. I’m going to cheer for the dude and hope he becomes a superstar. I know he’s massively talented and a great prospect but these kinds of decisions can crumble a front office. It’s ok to play around with the 20th pick but if Suggs is clearly the better pick in a few years, I’ll be pissed. Anyways, I’m done complaining, nothing anyone can do. I’m excited to see what the kid can do and where the season goes.

You said he was MILES better but OG shot 52% from the FT line during his college career. He shot 36% from the 3pt line BUT only 31% in his sophomore season. In OG's 2nd year he was 14/45 from the 3pt line. Barnes was 11/40 in his freshman year. Barnes also shot better from the FT line than OG did. To act like OG was a MILES better shooter than Barnes is just simply not true. You say that Kawhi and Barnes didn't have the same offensive role but do you really think OG and Barnes did? Did you ever watch OG in college? Guy was never a primary ball handler on his team, scored most of his points in transition, off put backs and the shots he did take were largely created by others. Barnes was one of the primary ball handlers on his team.

Also why are you comparing postseasons and not the regular season which has a significantly larger sample size? Per 40 minutes Barnes took 1 less shot per game than Kawhi and the same amount of threes at a better percentage. And it's also important to note that none of these guys took a lot of threes which is why it's silly to think that OG was some kind of marksmen when in reality he barely took 3's and there was a huge disparity between his 1st year 3pt percentages and his 2nd year percentages and likely the reason for the big drop off was in his 2nd year he attempted far more shots and played significantly more minutes. The bottom line is he was a poor shooter and the numbers prove it.

I agree with you on Siakam, he worked hard and improved his jumpshot. Just like OG did. Barnes can hopefully do the same. To say OG was miles better than Barnes is wrong though. Was he a better shooter? Yes, but not miles better.

The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans. And once again, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said Suggs wasn't the better fit. I said that you should never draft someone based on fit. You draft based on BPA. That's why they drafted Barnes and not Suggs. They felt Barnes was the better player with the higher ceiling and they weren't the only team that felt that way.

"Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out?"

Dude, just stop. That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to get into that last paragraph that you wrote because there is just way too much to untangle there. But to think Bruno's ceiling was KD like is absolutely absurd. Bruno was the 20th pick of the draft and went way off his draft board to draft him. No one even knew who he was. Why in the world would teams let a KD like player slip to 20?

And no, the types of decisions that crumble franchises are drafting for fit in the top 5 of the lottery. Barnes isn't some unknown prospect. The dude can ball and has a high floor and an extremely high ceiling. Even if he never improves his jumpshot he's going to have a successful NBA career. The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid

The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

. If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

I'm not even going to try to untangle all of this.

How do you know Suggs was the consensus #4? Do you have access to every team's big board? There have been numerous reports that Orlando and OKC had Barnes ahead of Suggs. Chad Ford on Overdrive said many teams had Barnes in the top 4, some had him at #3. Givony and Schmidt on Lowe's podcast were not convinced that Suggs was the clear cut #4 guy and they also didn't think it was a 4 player draft as the big 3 had distanced themselves from Suggs. I am a big Suggs fan and I would've been perfectly happy with him being selected but I said before the draft this is not a lock at #4 and that whoever they draft, at least we will know they are drafting the BPA. Barnes happened to be that guy and for people that were heavily invested in this draft, it wasn't a complete shock. Leading up to the draft there were reports coming in that Barnes was shooting up draft boards and could potentially be the guy at #4.

No one cares if media outlets or casual fans criticized the pick. To NBA teams, Barnes was not a surprise pick.

[ac1011990]

You said he was MILES better but OG shot 52% from the FT line during his college career. He shot 36% from the 3pt line BUT only 31% in his sophomore season. In OG's 2nd year he was 14/45 from the 3pt line. Barnes was 11/40 in his freshman year. Barnes also shot better from the FT line than OG did. To act like OG was a MILES better shooter than Barnes is just simply not true. You say that Kawhi and Barnes didn't have the same offensive role but do you really think OG and Barnes did? Did you ever watch OG in college? Guy was never a primary ball handler on his team, scored most of his points in transition, off put backs and the shots he did take were largely created by others. Barnes was one of the primary ball handlers on his team.

Also why are you comparing postseasons and not the regular season which has a significantly larger sample size? Per 40 minutes Barnes took 1 less shot per game than Kawhi and the same amount of threes at a better percentage. And it's also important to note that none of these guys took a lot of threes which is why it's silly to think that OG was some kind of marksmen when in reality he barely took 3's and there was a huge disparity between his 1st year 3pt percentages and his 2nd year percentages and likely the reason for the big drop off was in his 2nd year he attempted far more shots and played significantly more minutes. The bottom line is he was a poor shooter and the numbers prove it.

I agree with you on Siakam, he worked hard and improved his jumpshot. Just like OG did. Barnes can hopefully do the same. To say OG was miles better than Barnes is wrong though. Was he a better shooter? Yes, but not miles better.

The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans. And once again, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said Suggs wasn't the better fit. I said that you should never draft someone based on fit. You draft based on BPA. That's why they drafted Barnes and not Suggs. They felt Barnes was the better player with the higher ceiling and they weren't the only team that felt that way.

"Ceilings don’t mean much if you never achieve them. Bruno’s ceiling was KD, how’d that work out?"

Dude, just stop. That is a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to get into that last paragraph that you wrote because there is just way too much to untangle there. But to think Bruno's ceiling was KD like is absolutely absurd. Bruno was the 20th pick of the draft and went way off his draft board to draft him. No one even knew who he was. Why in the world would teams let a KD like player slip to 20?

And no, the types of decisions that crumble franchises are drafting for fit in the top 5 of the lottery. Barnes isn't some unknown prospect. The dude can ball and has a high floor and an extremely high ceiling. Even if he never improves his jumpshot he's going to have a successful NBA career. The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid

The main criticism of Suggs was that he does have a low ceiling. If that's the case then there is no way they'll regret this decision in the future.

. If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

I'm not even going to try to untangle all of this.

How do you know Suggs was the consensus #4? Do you have access to every team's big board? There have been numerous reports that Orlando and OKC had Barnes ahead of Suggs. Chad Ford on Overdrive said many teams had Barnes in the top 4, some had him at #3. Givony and Schmidt on Lowe's podcast were not convinced that Suggs was the clear cut #4 guy and they also didn't think it was a 4 player draft as the big 3 had distanced themselves from Suggs. I am a big Suggs fan and I would've been perfectly happy with him being selected but I said before the draft this is not a lock at #4 and that whoever they draft, at least we will know they are drafting the BPA. Barnes happened to be that guy and for people that were heavily invested in this draft, it wasn't a complete shock. Leading up to the draft there were reports coming in that Barnes was shooting up draft boards and could potentially be the guy at #4.

No one cares if media outlets or casual fans criticized the pick. To NBA teams, Barnes was not a surprise pick.

K I don’t even care enough to respond to what you said, I am going to say this, Masai picking Barnes is in no way an indication that he was the BPA, he just so happens to fit Masai’s Giannis fetish. We’ll see who the best player was in a couple years, I really hope it’s Barnes but time will tell. Enjoy the season my knowledgeable, non casual friend.

[Los_29]

Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid . If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

I'm not even going to try to untangle all of this.

How do you know Suggs was the consensus #4? Do you have access to every team's big board? There have been numerous reports that Orlando and OKC had Barnes ahead of Suggs. Chad Ford on Overdrive said many teams had Barnes in the top 4, some had him at #3. Givony and Schmidt on Lowe's podcast were not convinced that Suggs was the clear cut #4 guy and they also didn't think it was a 4 player draft as the big 3 had distanced themselves from Suggs. I am a big Suggs fan and I would've been perfectly happy with him being selected but I said before the draft this is not a lock at #4 and that whoever they draft, at least we will know they are drafting the BPA. Barnes happened to be that guy and for people that were heavily invested in this draft, it wasn't a complete shock. Leading up to the draft there were reports coming in that Barnes was shooting up draft boards and could potentially be the guy at #4.

No one cares if media outlets or casual fans criticized the pick. To NBA teams, Barnes was not a surprise pick.

K I don’t even care enough to respond to what you said, I am going to say this, Masai picking Barnes is in no way an indication that he was the BPA, he just so happens to fit Masai’s Giannis fetish. We’ll see who the best player was in a couple years, I really hope it’s Barnes but time will tell. Enjoy the season my knowledgeable, non casual friend.

Why doesn't it mean he wasn't the BPA? Leading up to the draft the FO made it quite clear they are taking BPA. They took Barnes so that means to them he was the BPA. And now we know that many, many teams also felt the same way about Barnes as OKC were apparently going to take him at #4 if they traded up and that Orlando had Barnes #4 as well. And as I said earlier, some teams had Barnes as high #3.

And saying Masai has a Giannis fetish is odd considering he's started two 6ft guards the past two years and drafted a 6ft guard last year in the first round. lol

But yeah enjoy the season, it's going to be a good one.

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Lol I have no idea what your going crazy about. OG and Kawhi were better offensive players in their earlier years and it took them years to develop. There are guys outside of OG and Kawhi who were much much better offensive players and they flopped in the NBA. There’s literally no reason to cry about a few percentages here and there. Is Barnes known as a offensive guy… no, he’s not. He’s going to need a lot of work. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m not sure why your not able to comprehend something that simple. If OG and Kawhi can do it doesn’t mean Barnes necessarily can. Also, I’m comparing postseason stats because that’s when games get turned up and that’s the closest thing to NBA level ball you’ll see. A guy like Kawhi turned it up during the tournament and Barnes crumbled on the offensive side. High stakes moments are where guys show their weaknesses. Once again, that doesn’t mean Barnes CANT become a great offensive player it just means there’s ALOT of work ahead of him.

Also, GTFO with your “ The selection didn't shock anyone. It only shocked casual fans.” bull, the majority of the Raps fan base wanted Suggs and half the media networks and other fans were calling the Raps losers for taking Barnes over Suggs, I’ll promise you this, if Suggs turns into a star and Barnes an average player, the amount of clowning on the Raps management will be insane and rightfully so. This was a defining point in our franchise, this isn’t a Bruno reach at 20, we got extremely lucky to get the 4th pick in a majority consensus 4 player draft, we chose to deviate from the path and management should hope it works out. I’ve been a Masai fan since the day he got here, I still have faith in him today but if I’m being honest, his past few years, post ring, haven’t been stellar. Literally our whole championship team left without anything back, Lowry could be the cherry on top. If Suggs turns out to be a star and Barnes anything short of that, the league and fans should let management know of the royal **** up.

Once again, the consensus BPA was Suggs, nobody would have said anything if Suggs was chosen by the Raps and he didn’t pan out. For almost a year, people were saying it was a 4 player draft, Barnes started climbing the ranks maybe a few months ago, it’s literally not a hard concept to understand. And no, if he doesn’t improve his jump shot he’s a Stanley Johnson or Patrick McCaw with a bit better defence.

This quote is just plain stupid . If he becomes a star, the franchise will regret the decision, especially if Barnes doesn’t pan out. Ceilings and floors are words projecting a prospect, it literally has nothing to do with anything after the prospect develops. Another thing, the whole Suggs low ceiling thing is kind of stupid. For some reason people think becuase he’s well rounded he’s not going to be elite at anything. He’s a good passer, great IQ, very good athlete, great team leader, decent scorer, great defender, great teammate, great transition player, strong, great size, young composed and good under pressure. He has less work to do in order to get to star status. Either way, who cares. No point in wasting time arguing about something that’s done.

I'm not even going to try to untangle all of this.

How do you know Suggs was the consensus #4? Do you have access to every team's big board? There have been numerous reports that Orlando and OKC had Barnes ahead of Suggs. Chad Ford on Overdrive said many teams had Barnes in the top 4, some had him at #3. Givony and Schmidt on Lowe's podcast were not convinced that Suggs was the clear cut #4 guy and they also didn't think it was a 4 player draft as the big 3 had distanced themselves from Suggs. I am a big Suggs fan and I would've been perfectly happy with him being selected but I said before the draft this is not a lock at #4 and that whoever they draft, at least we will know they are drafting the BPA. Barnes happened to be that guy and for people that were heavily invested in this draft, it wasn't a complete shock. Leading up to the draft there were reports coming in that Barnes was shooting up draft boards and could potentially be the guy at #4.

No one cares if media outlets or casual fans criticized the pick. To NBA teams, Barnes was not a surprise pick.

K I don’t even care enough to respond to what you said, I am going to say this, Masai picking Barnes is in no way an indication that he was the BPA, he just so happens to fit Masai’s Giannis fetish. We’ll see who the best player was in a couple years, I really hope it’s Barnes but time will tell. Enjoy the season my knowledgeable, non casual friend.

I've seen the Giannis fetish type comments a few times, so strange and lazy to try and link the 2 together...

[ac1011990]

I'm not even going to try to untangle all of this.

How do you know Suggs was the consensus #4? Do you have access to every team's big board? There have been numerous reports that Orlando and OKC had Barnes ahead of Suggs. Chad Ford on Overdrive said many teams had Barnes in the top 4, some had him at #3. Givony and Schmidt on Lowe's podcast were not convinced that Suggs was the clear cut #4 guy and they also didn't think it was a 4 player draft as the big 3 had distanced themselves from Suggs. I am a big Suggs fan and I would've been perfectly happy with him being selected but I said before the draft this is not a lock at #4 and that whoever they draft, at least we will know they are drafting the BPA. Barnes happened to be that guy and for people that were heavily invested in this draft, it wasn't a complete shock. Leading up to the draft there were reports coming in that Barnes was shooting up draft boards and could potentially be the guy at #4.

No one cares if media outlets or casual fans criticized the pick. To NBA teams, Barnes was not a surprise pick.

K I don’t even care enough to respond to what you said, I am going to say this, Masai picking Barnes is in no way an indication that he was the BPA, he just so happens to fit Masai’s Giannis fetish. We’ll see who the best player was in a couple years, I really hope it’s Barnes but time will tell. Enjoy the season my knowledgeable, non casual friend.

Why doesn't it mean he wasn't the BPA? Leading up to the draft the FO made it quite clear they are taking BPA. They took Barnes so that means to them he was the BPA. And now we know that many, many teams also felt the same way about Barnes as OKC were apparently going to take him at #4 if they traded up and that Orlando had Barnes #4 as well. And as I said earlier, some teams had Barnes as high #3.

And saying Masai has a Giannis fetish is odd considering he's started two 6ft guards the past two years and drafted a 6ft guard last year in the first round. lol

But yeah enjoy the season, it's going to be a good one.

Just read what I wrote, not that hard. We will know in a few years who the BPA actually was, meaning if Masai made the correct call or not. Masai taking Barnes over Suggs doesn’t mean he actually is the better player, it just means Masai liked him more then Suggs for whatever reason, most likely potential. He sure isn’t the better player at this point. Whatever metric you want to use, Suggs is better in almost every category… points, rebounds, assists, PER, FT% OWS, DWS the list goes on. But the BPA convo won’t be settled for a few years.

Also, like you said, nobody cares about rumours or the media. Apparently Suggs was never the top 4 players in a widely considered 4 player draft, so I don’t care about your draft day rumours of teams supposedly thinking about taking Barnes over Mobley and Suggs lol.
I like to compare the NBA draft to the actual lottery. Masai decided to play the 70 mil lotto max, turning his back on the 50 mil Lotto 649. Despite being almost 3x harder to win, the reward looks nicer. Who wants an “easier” 50 mil when 70 is there, right boys?

[normgod6]

K I don’t even care enough to respond to what you said, I am going to say this, Masai picking Barnes is in no way an indication that he was the BPA, he just so happens to fit Masai’s Giannis fetish. We’ll see who the best player was in a couple years, I really hope it’s Barnes but time will tell. Enjoy the season my knowledgeable, non casual friend.

Why doesn't it mean he wasn't the BPA? Leading up to the draft the FO made it quite clear they are taking BPA. They took Barnes so that means to them he was the BPA. And now we know that many, many teams also felt the same way about Barnes as OKC were apparently going to take him at #4 if they traded up and that Orlando had Barnes #4 as well. And as I said earlier, some teams had Barnes as high #3.

And saying Masai has a Giannis fetish is odd considering he's started two 6ft guards the past two years and drafted a 6ft guard last year in the first round. lol

But yeah enjoy the season, it's going to be a good one.

Just read what I wrote, not that hard. We will know in a few years who the BPA actually was, meaning if Masai made the correct call or not. Masai taking Barnes over Suggs doesn’t mean he actually is the better player, it just means Masai liked him more then Suggs for whatever reason, most likely potential. He sure isn’t the better player at this point. Whatever metric you want to use, Suggs is better in almost every category… points, rebounds, assists, PER, FT% OWS, DWS the list goes on. But the BPA convo won’t be settled for a few years.

Also, like you said, nobody cares about rumours or the media. Apparently Suggs was never the top 4 players in a widely considered 4 player draft, so I don’t care about your draft day rumours of teams supposedly thinking about taking Barnes over Mobley and Suggs lol.
I like to compare the NBA draft to the actual lottery. Masai decided to play the 70 mil lotto max, turning his back on the 50 mil Lotto 649. Despite being almost 3x harder to win, the reward looks nicer. Who wants an “easier” 50 mil when 70 is there, right boys?

what happened was the suggs, like kuminga, fell off NBA teams' big boards as draft day approached. Remember it started as a 5 people draft, then a 4 people draft, and finished as a 3 people draft. I also think there is a real chance that Scottie Barnes came to workouts with a improved jumper and made the raptors, magic and thunder believe he can be a decent shooter. I do think its not a coincidence that the raptors and the thunder had barnes above suggs and the magic viewed both prospects in the same tier. I also think all the noise of the thunder trying to trade for our pick was to pick barnes and not suggs, as I originally assumed. Considering that the 3 teams with the most incentive to get this pick right all independently came to the same conclusion to prefer Barnes, I have hope that Barnes showed some real improvement in his game.

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K I don’t even care enough to respond to what you said, I am going to say this, Masai picking Barnes is in no way an indication that he was the BPA, he just so happens to fit Masai’s Giannis fetish. We’ll see who the best player was in a couple years, I really hope it’s Barnes but time will tell. Enjoy the season my knowledgeable, non casual friend.

Why doesn't it mean he wasn't the BPA? Leading up to the draft the FO made it quite clear they are taking BPA. They took Barnes so that means to them he was the BPA. And now we know that many, many teams also felt the same way about Barnes as OKC were apparently going to take him at #4 if they traded up and that Orlando had Barnes #4 as well. And as I said earlier, some teams had Barnes as high #3.

And saying Masai has a Giannis fetish is odd considering he's started two 6ft guards the past two years and drafted a 6ft guard last year in the first round. lol

But yeah enjoy the season, it's going to be a good one.

Just read what I wrote, not that hard. We will know in a few years who the BPA actually was, meaning if Masai made the correct call or not. Masai taking Barnes over Suggs doesn’t mean he actually is the better player, it just means Masai liked him more then Suggs for whatever reason, most likely potential. He sure isn’t the better player at this point. Whatever metric you want to use, Suggs is better in almost every category… points, rebounds, assists, PER, FT% OWS, DWS the list goes on. But the BPA convo won’t be settled for a few years.

Also, like you said, nobody cares about rumours or the media. Apparently Suggs was never the top 4 players in a widely considered 4 player draft, so I don’t care about your draft day rumours of teams supposedly thinking about taking Barnes over Mobley and Suggs lol.
I like to compare the NBA draft to the actual lottery. Masai decided to play the 70 mil lotto max, turning his back on the 50 mil Lotto 649. Despite being almost 3x harder to win, the reward looks nicer. Who wants an “easier” 50 mil when 70 is there, right boys?

Suggs plays in a much weaker conference AND he also had the luxury of playing with three NBA calibre players in the starting lineup and a true point guard in Nembhard who he could share the point guard duties with. Barnes did not have that luxury. There were quite a few players who had "better" college seasons than Patrick Williams and yet Patrick Williams was drafted ahead of them and he looked significantly better than all of them at the NBA level (with the exception of Haliburton who was drafted 12th). Williams also went to Florida State.

But we will see who the better player is in the future. Hope both of them turn out to be great players.

[ATLTimekeeper]

This is most likely false. The Raptors have no incentive to leak this, because it means their entire decision was based on the workout portion, and if Suggs ends up better than Barnes they'd look like fools. Also that the workout was criticized for bad shooting, but they preferred a guy like Barnes who shot the ball poorly in college (and they're willing to work with him and wait).

Second, I have a hard time buying that someone who works for the Raptors would risk their job by leaking workout information on reddit. At best we have Ryan Wolstat say he heard the same thing from someone not connected to the Raptors at all?

This is a case of people inventing stuff to rationalize.

This was leaked before the draft even happened though.

Suggs was already a questionable shooter coming into the draft process and didn't show tangible improvements during the workouts. If the Raptors have to develop both of their shots, they might as well go with the higher upside player. I've made the same case pre-draft.

I don't see how the timing is relevant. Why would the Raptors leak this out? There's no upside and if Suggs ended up being great they'd look like idiots for overvaluing shooting in workouts. And at this point I've seen zero evidence he worked out for Toronto at all and more signs that he didn't. His agent told both Mobley and Suggs not to say anything about workouts. Mobley only worked out for Detroit. The Raptors didn't confirm or let any local writers know who they worked out.

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Aside, I recall one of the guys dying in a crash just after this release. Messed up

[WaltFrazier]

Knew Masai and Co wouldn't take Suggs....I for one was happy with the selection. I've been in the overwhelming minority who have said they would have been disappointed if we took Suggs.

Just don't see anything special in his game. He's going to struggle mightily in the NBA because he is ineffective in the half-court- whether that be his triple threat game, creating a shot, shooting, or even play-making.

At least with Barnes, you have optimism he can grow into a role, with our development team to be special.

So you are describing Suggs as an average guard who barely belongs in the lottery. Yet he was the immediate 5th pick after we passed. Not like he fell to 10 or 15

[Vampirate]

Knew Masai and Co wouldn't take Suggs....I for one was happy with the selection. I've been in the overwhelming minority who have said they would have been disappointed if we took Suggs.

Just don't see anything special in his game. He's going to struggle mightily in the NBA because he is ineffective in the half-court- whether that be his triple threat game, creating a shot, shooting, or even play-making.

At least with Barnes, you have optimism he can grow into a role, with our development team to be special.

So you are describing Suggs as an average guard who barely belongs in the lottery. Yet he was the immediate 5th pick after we passed. Not like he fell to 10 or 15

Suggs is most likely going to be an All Star, but I don't see Superstar potential in him, which is what the Raptors need. An All Star on the current roster = pretenderville.

It's a long shot but Barnes can get into superstar territory, he has the physical edge here, but again a longshot.

In the meantime, while Barnes is working on his game it should give the Raptors chance #2 in getting that player in the draft.

The Raptors were 1 pick away in getting that potential true franchise player in Mobley, but alas.