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[8516knicks]

I don't think we have the assets to make any meaningful trades (Sexton, Lillard, Beal). The only top tier asset we have is RJ and they won't trade him. Plus proven vets won't join us yet (Lowry, Paul). That's why we're looking at B grade free agents and hoping we can develop one of our picks (Obi, IQ) or sign and develop like Julius

Yeah, maybe if we're lucky Lonzo and DeRozan seem most promising. Just feel Sexton is the next Dion Waiters.

[thebuzzardman]

It's going to either:

Sexton & some wing or
Beal in a big trade or
Ball & Oubre

And everyone will be upset.

I’ll be happy with any of these

One of the few, apparently

[Bob Ross]

I don't think we have the assets to make any meaningful trades (Sexton, Lillard, Beal). The only top tier asset we have is RJ and they won't trade him. Plus proven vets won't join us yet (Lowry, Paul). That's why we're looking at B grade free agents and hoping we can develop one of our picks (Obi, IQ) or sign and develop like Julius

We have the assets, its just whether or not we want to pay that much. Not saying we have the best assets out of anyone, but we have a lot.

We're top 5 in most picks moving forward.
Promising young players like Mitch, Obi and IQ
POTENTIAL heavy hitter young player in RJ
All NBA power forward on an extremely reasonable contract.

I'm not advocating we do that, but we could. I think we def have the assets to get Sexton at least

[8516knicks]

Ok we took team option on Mitch, said goodbye to Pelle. Seems Jericho Sims is #3 at the 5 now.

[Blue_Orange]

I could understand going after Schroeder because we wouldn't be giving up any assets like in a Sexton trade. Sexton could end up being better for us long term but what would we have to give up (I doubt Obi and picks gets it done)? We could keep those assets and use them to build more in addition to Schroeder. I'm guessing this would be after Paul and Lowry turn us down as well.

(First post - I'll STFU and GTFO now )

Oh not you don't!!! You will stick around until you are told to STFU AND GTFO BALLBOY!!

Fair enough

[thebuzzardman]

Schroeder wants 4/100
Fournier wants 4/80
Lowry wants 3/90?
DeRozan?
Lonzo 4/80?

None of that looks very appealing to me. We will be cap locked and in a treadmill with any combo of those players. How much better will we actually be?

I just don't see anything that gets me excited about next week at all. I don't see anything that makes us any better than what we were this season with other teams improving. We most likely slip to the play in round. Then what? Run it back next year paying Randle and Mitch even more money?

Rooting for wins was fun but...was it worth it?

Slip into the play in round with new multi year contracts of Dennis Schroeder and Evan Fornier swallowing much of the $50mil cap space. Joy.

The tricky thing is, do we have a core yet? Is Julius and RJ a core we know we can build around? I’m not sure there’s an answer on that yet, and it’s going to take another season or two to figure that out.

I guess we can play the eternal kick the cap space can down the road each season, but to what end? We miraculously hit on a combination of one year mercenary contracts that are all keepers? I’m not sure we could ever outperform what Burks, Bullock and Noel brought as one year deals. At some point, we’re going to have to start giving out meaningful contracts to meaningful players. If that means tying up this years cap space with 3 year deals, so be it. If it doesn’t work, we change course, but at least we’ll know whether we had the right foundation to begin with.

Maybe this isn't "the way" , but I think there is a middle ground.

IF getting Sexton is possible, and then they add 1 year guys, it's an upgrade at PG - and let's pretend they replace Burks/Bullocks/Rose and Noel with equal ability players.
Team gets somewhat better, but still has ability to cut bait with both Randle and even Sexton.
Or continue to build around them and RJ. I didn't forget about IQ/Mitch/Grimes etc etc. They could stay or be used in trades.

The next possibilities are a little harder. If the Knicks try to add Ball or Fournier or Trent Jr, Powell etc in ADDITION to Sexton, then they are cutting into the ability to add a "big time player"
But, if the contracts are fair, all of those players SHOULD be tradeable, but that raises the degree of difficulty of getting to the next level. I think it's fair to think that Sexton and one of those guys more legitimately improves the team, but it carries some risk of getting stuck there. Still, young players, some upside, team is better, but bit of risk getting stuck with one of them, timing wise.

Or Knicks "spend their way there" where they cap out with Schroeder & Fournier - as an example. Or Lowry & DeRozan. Whatever. Assets, get maintained (and only really go out for Sexton anyway) but that is probably on a kind of a treadmill for 3 years.

Knicks made it to 4th seed, but in no way do I consider them that level of team, even if they brought everyone back. Too much had to go right and it did, basically. I think they are an 8th seed/play in last year that got fortunate. I think they have to make some moves just to stay around 7th/8th. Is that wrong for them to try? I don't think so. I can see being against going all in to stay in that spot though.

Seems like there is a way to mostly guarantee being a playoff team but maintaining some space and flexibility.
Sexton & someone young.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I could understand going after Schroeder because we wouldn't be giving up any assets like in a Sexton trade. Sexton could end up being better for us long term but what would we have to give up (I doubt Obi and picks gets it done)? We could keep those assets and use them to build more in addition to Schroeder. I'm guessing this would be after Paul and Lowry turn us down as well.

(First post - I'll STFU and GTFO now )

Oh not you don't!!! You will stick around until you are told to STFU AND GTFO BALLBOY!!

Fair enough

Now you may STFU AND GTFO!!

[Blue_Orange]

I don't think we have the assets to make any meaningful trades (Sexton, Lillard, Beal). The only top tier asset we have is RJ and they won't trade him. Plus proven vets won't join us yet (Lowry, Paul). That's why we're looking at B grade free agents and hoping we can develop one of our picks (Obi, IQ) or sign and develop like Julius

We have the assets, its just whether or not we want to pay that much. Not saying we have the best assets out of anyone, but we have a lot.

We're top 5 in most picks moving forward.
Promising young players like Mitch, Obi and IQ
POTENTIAL heavy hitter young player in RJ
All NBA power forward on an extremely reasonable contract.

I'm not advocating we do that, but we could. I think we def have the assets to get Sexton at least

The legend Bob Ross,

Agree with your take on our assets. I guess I'm just skeptical they would give up RJ for Sexton, and that RJ + our assets would be worthwhile at this point for Dame and Beal (either for us or the other team). Wish we had another top tier asset like top 5 pick or RJ.

[F N 11]

Taj signing for 5. 5 dollars. He’s our Haslem, he has to come back.

[Brandingo83]

SGA is the guy to target. I don’t see OKC resigning him. We have the picks and assets to do it.


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[F N 11]

SGA is the guy to target. I don’t see OKC resigning him. We have the picks and assets to do it.


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I’m hoping for this.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Slip into the play in round with new multi year contracts of Dennis Schroeder and Evan Fornier swallowing much of the $50mil cap space. Joy.

The tricky thing is, do we have a core yet? Is Julius and RJ a core we know we can build around? I’m not sure there’s an answer on that yet, and it’s going to take another season or two to figure that out.

I guess we can play the eternal kick the cap space can down the road each season, but to what end? We miraculously hit on a combination of one year mercenary contracts that are all keepers? I’m not sure we could ever outperform what Burks, Bullock and Noel brought as one year deals. At some point, we’re going to have to start giving out meaningful contracts to meaningful players. If that means tying up this years cap space with 3 year deals, so be it. If it doesn’t work, we change course, but at least we’ll know whether we had the right foundation to begin with.

Maybe this isn't "the way" , but I think there is a middle ground.

IF getting Sexton is possible, and then they add 1 year guys, it's an upgrade at PG - and let's pretend they replace Burks/Bullocks/Rose and Noel with equal ability players.
Team gets somewhat better, but still has ability to cut bait with both Randle and even Sexton.
Or continue to build around them and RJ. I didn't forget about IQ/Mitch/Grimes etc etc. They could stay or be used in trades.

The next possibilities are a little harder. If the Knicks try to add Ball or Fournier or Trent Jr, Powell etc in ADDITION to Sexton, then they are cutting into the ability to add a "big time player"
But, if the contracts are fair, all of those players SHOULD be tradeable, but that raises the degree of difficulty of getting to the next level. I think it's fair to think that Sexton and one of those guys more legitimately improves the team, but it carries some risk of getting stuck there. Still, young players, some upside, team is better, but bit of risk getting stuck with one of them, timing wise.

Or Knicks "spend their way there" where they cap out with Schroeder & Fournier - as an example. Or Lowry & DeRozan. Whatever. Assets, get maintained (and only really go out for Sexton anyway) but that is probably on a kind of a treadmill for 3 years.

Knicks made it to 4th seed, but in no way do I consider them that level of team, even if they brought everyone back. Too much had to go right and it did, basically. I think they are an 8th seed/play in last year that got fortunate. I think they have to make some moves just to stay around 7th/8th. Is that wrong for them to try? I don't think so. I can see being against going all in to stay in that spot though.

Seems like there is a way to mostly guarantee being a playoff team but maintaining some space and flexibility.
Sexton & someone young.

I don't think we get Sexton. I think we end up with Schroeder/Fournier. Something just seems so right with that. So anti climatic. Taj/Bullock return. Treadmill. Play in loss. Late lottery pick. Dolan starts making noise.

I used to be optimistic about the summer...since we've had cap space and picks. It has been such a mess though. Now the timing just sucks and we are stuck with middling talent and picks with cap space in a year full of middling talent wanting big money. We don't have a lot to trade with. Just a bunch of weak picks. We aren't getting any big names that way IMO.

I agree with your post though. I'm hoping I'm dead wrong. I hope they pull off a few moves and improve on last year. I just don't see the path to it.

[Bob Ross]

I don't think we have the assets to make any meaningful trades (Sexton, Lillard, Beal). The only top tier asset we have is RJ and they won't trade him. Plus proven vets won't join us yet (Lowry, Paul). That's why we're looking at B grade free agents and hoping we can develop one of our picks (Obi, IQ) or sign and develop like Julius

We have the assets, its just whether or not we want to pay that much. Not saying we have the best assets out of anyone, but we have a lot.

We're top 5 in most picks moving forward.
Promising young players like Mitch, Obi and IQ
POTENTIAL heavy hitter young player in RJ
All NBA power forward on an extremely reasonable contract.

I'm not advocating we do that, but we could. I think we def have the assets to get Sexton at least

The legend Bob Ross,

Agree with your take on our assets. I guess I'm just skeptical they would give up RJ for Sexton, and that RJ + our assets would be worthwhile at this point for Dame and Beal (either for us or the other team). Wish we had another top tier asset like top 5 pick or RJ.

Oh man, same. I wouldn't give up RJ for Sexton. But they can ship out a bunch of picks without feeling it too badly

[Bob Ross]

General Board thread says Chris Haynes reports that unless there's a major hiccup, Lonzo and the Bulls intend to work out a deal and Pels going hard at Lowry.

That hiccup could be 20 million more from us I suppose.


I wonder how Lowry feels about the Pels. To me, it feels a bit like he's someone else is finally getting Grant Hilled

[Bob Ross]

I've really talked myself into Lowry. He has such a crafty game. IQ could learn a lot from him over a few years

[Blue_Orange]

I don't think we have the assets to make any meaningful trades (Sexton, Lillard, Beal). The only top tier asset we have is RJ and they won't trade him. Plus proven vets won't join us yet (Lowry, Paul). That's why we're looking at B grade free agents and hoping we can develop one of our picks (Obi, IQ) or sign and develop like Julius

Yeah, maybe if we're lucky Lonzo and DeRozan seem most promising. Just feel Sexton is the next Dion Waiters.

Not thrilled about that but maybe that's what happens. Not sure about Sexton either but you have to take some chances.

[thebuzzardman]

Oh well. Turns out no one wants to come here anyway. Can't Dolan just die already?

[HarthorneWingo]

I've really talked myself into Lowry. He has such a crafty game. IQ could learn a lot from him over a few years

Too bad he won’t be on the Knicks.

[8516knicks]

If out of pics 19 & 21 & 32 & 58 plus all that caps space we end up with Dennis Schroeder and Fournier and a Kansas drop out 3&D hopeful and a plucky undersized bench PG plus 2 more second rounders 4years from now and some foreigner who'll never visit the US - well, we deserve to be back at the 30-52 win level FOREVER.

[Kampuchea]

Instead of Schroeder let's just get Reggie Jackson & TJ McConnell for a fraction of the cost.