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Post#1361 » by mademan » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:50 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Per Woj Iggy's TO declined but Dragic picked up. Which is really interesting. Conspiracy Chuck says Lowry to Miami, Dragic to a 3rd team wanting a PG, stuff to Toronto.


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Raps have like 20 mill in cap space. I cant imagine a scenario where they take Dragic as they have actual needs to address. Could be a 3teamer, but i cant quickly envision who could take Dragic or would even want to for that amount of money. Dallas? But theyre in the hunt for Lowry too and paying Dragic 20 mill isnt exactly a good use of their cap space either.

I dunno. Im sure theyve game planned this out, but i dont see it yet. Who can take Dragic in a 3teamer while either giving useful players the Raps would want or clean cap space?
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Post#1362 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:52 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Per Woj Iggy's TO declined but Dragic picked up. Which is really interesting. Conspiracy Chuck says Lowry to Miami, Dragic to a 3rd team wanting a PG, stuff to Toronto.


Would Dallas finally take Dragic for one year into cap space (could they keep THJ’s cap hold or would it take other moves?) if they are runner ups in the Lowry sweepstakes? Or, would Toronto just take Dragic for the year, and maybe look to re-route him for some value later?


Dallas would have to sign Timmy to a new deal(and almost certainly clear a bit more space) to take on Dragic, but yes I think if they could make the finances work Dallas would be an option.
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Post#1363 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:53 pm

I'd have the Pels as a fallback team for Dragic too. Especially since I think Miami probably has to compensate a team for taking him at that number.
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Post#1364 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:56 pm

Stein echoing Woj on Dragic part of an eventual Lowry S&T. Hope my Mavs are ready for plan C now that plans A and B have blown up already.
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Post#1365 » by mademan » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:57 pm

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While im not enamoured with killing our cap space, i'd take Dragic/Precious/Okpala in a S&T, but thats just because ive always liked Precious going back to the draft last year. I think Dragic could flipped at a later time too
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Post#1366 » by Kilo » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:13 pm

My guess with Dragic is he'll be bought out and it's already been agreed to. Which team can take him on for $19M? OKC strikes again for another FRP? Or he accepts a small buyout and then signs with a contender of his choice for whatever percentage of their MLE they decide on.
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Post#1367 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:19 pm

So Iggy back to GS right?
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Post#1368 » by Dadouv47 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:21 pm

Kilo wrote:My guess with Dragic is he'll be bought out and it's already been agreed to. Which team can take him on for $19M? OKC strikes again for another FRP? Or he accepts a small buyout and then signs with a contender of his choice for whatever percentage of their MLE they decide on.


Would love this but think Dragic is too good for that.
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Post#1369 » by Dadouv47 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:25 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:So Iggy back to GS right?


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Post#1370 » by Brick Layer » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:26 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:So Iggy back to GS right?

Andre Iguodala sold his Bay area home a couple of years ago. The bigger question is will Iggy accept a minimum contract?
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Post#1371 » by Dadouv47 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:27 pm

Not sure Iggy has a lot left in the tank but he could be good for Kuminga's development.
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Post#1372 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:27 pm

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While im not enamoured with killing our cap space, i'd take Dragic/Precious/Okpala in a S&T, but thats just because ive always liked Precious going back to the draft last year. I think Dragic could flipped at a later time too


Why? We have siakam/boucher/barnes who could play the 4 already
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Post#1373 » by mademan » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:31 pm

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mademan wrote:
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While im not enamoured with killing our cap space, i'd take Dragic/Precious/Okpala in a S&T, but thats just because ive always liked Precious going back to the draft last year. I think Dragic could flipped at a later time too


Why? We have siakam/boucher/barnes who could play the 4 already


Siakam is injured to start, Boucher is a FA to be who i dont think we'll be bringing back (and this opens up a decent deadline deal for him for a team looking to make a run) and Barnes is versatile and will play anywhere from 1-4.

I think Precious is worth a late 1st and i think Dragic can bring in a 1st at the deadline. I also dont think there's any FA's out there better than a Dragic/Precious combo. Ball is gonna go to a bigger market and Allen will be matched. Who else are the Raps gonna get? Cause i have reservations of paying Holmes a 4/80 deal
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Post#1374 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:36 pm

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Godaddycurse wrote:
mademan wrote:
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While im not enamoured with killing our cap space, i'd take Dragic/Precious/Okpala in a S&T, but thats just because ive always liked Precious going back to the draft last year. I think Dragic could flipped at a later time too


Why? We have siakam/boucher/barnes who could play the 4 already


Siakam is injured to start, Boucher is a FA to be who i dont think we'll be bringing back (and this opens up a decent deadline deal for him for a team looking to make a run) and Barnes is versatile and will play anywhere from 1-4.

I think Precious is worth a late 1st and i think Dragic can bring in a 1st at the deadline. I also dont think there's any FA's out there better than a Dragic/Precious combo. Ball is gonna go to a bigger market and Allen will be matched. Who else are the Raps gonna get? Cause i have reservations of paying Holmes a 4/80 deal


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Post#1375 » by Kilo » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:39 pm

What contenders would have $19M in equivalent salary to ship out at the deadline along with the FRP?
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Post#1376 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:39 pm

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mademan wrote:
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Why? We have siakam/boucher/barnes who could play the 4 already


Siakam is injured to start, Boucher is a FA to be who i dont think we'll be bringing back (and this opens up a decent deadline deal for him for a team looking to make a run) and Barnes is versatile and will play anywhere from 1-4.

I think Precious is worth a late 1st and i think Dragic can bring in a 1st at the deadline. I also dont think there's any FA's out there better than a Dragic/Precious combo. Ball is gonna go to a bigger market and Allen will be matched. Who else are the Raps gonna get? Cause i have reservations of paying Holmes a 4/80 deal


My dream offseason is to get both olynyk and Noel


I don’t know that I could ever have imagined anyone saying that sentence. :lol:
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Post#1377 » by mademan » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:41 pm

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mademan wrote:
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Why? We have siakam/boucher/barnes who could play the 4 already


Siakam is injured to start, Boucher is a FA to be who i dont think we'll be bringing back (and this opens up a decent deadline deal for him for a team looking to make a run) and Barnes is versatile and will play anywhere from 1-4.

I think Precious is worth a late 1st and i think Dragic can bring in a 1st at the deadline. I also dont think there's any FA's out there better than a Dragic/Precious combo. Ball is gonna go to a bigger market and Allen will be matched. Who else are the Raps gonna get? Cause i have reservations of paying Holmes a 4/80 deal


My dream offseason is to get both olynyk and Noel


Raps would be operating as an over the cap team, giving us our MLE to use. Meaning we go from 17 mill in cap space to 10 mill. I think Dragic and Precious are worth the 7 mill drop in cap space
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Post#1378 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:42 pm

mademan wrote:
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mademan wrote:
Siakam is injured to start, Boucher is a FA to be who i dont think we'll be bringing back (and this opens up a decent deadline deal for him for a team looking to make a run) and Barnes is versatile and will play anywhere from 1-4.

I think Precious is worth a late 1st and i think Dragic can bring in a 1st at the deadline. I also dont think there's any FA's out there better than a Dragic/Precious combo. Ball is gonna go to a bigger market and Allen will be matched. Who else are the Raps gonna get? Cause i have reservations of paying Holmes a 4/80 deal


My dream offseason is to get both olynyk and Noel


Raps would be operating as an over the cap team, giving us our MLE to use. Meaning we go from 17 mill in cap space to 10 mill. I think Dragic and Precious are worth the 7 mill drop in cap space


Dragic cost way too much. Do you think they will pay the tax for this team that is clearly not a contender? Re-signing GTJ while keeping dragic will send us pretty far into tax.

Siakam 31
FVV 19
OG 16
Dragic 19
Precious 3
Boucher 7
Barnes 7
Flynn/Watanabe/Bembry/Watson/Gilliespie 9
GTJ 15?

Thats 126M without any real C on the roster.
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Post#1379 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:43 pm

Kilo wrote:What contenders would have $19M in equivalent salary to ship out at the deadline along with the FRP?


Anywhere from $15-24m would generally work, and seems possible. Factor in a team sending maybe two players (one is the value and the other is the filler), and the window opens even more considerably. :dontknow:
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Post#1380 » by mademan » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:44 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
mademan wrote:
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My dream offseason is to get both olynyk and Noel


Raps would be operating as an over the cap team, giving us our MLE to use. Meaning we go from 17 mill in cap space to 10 mill. I think Dragic and Precious are worth the 7 mill drop in cap space


Dragic cost way too much. Do you think they will pay the tax for this team that is clearly not a contender? Re-signing GTJ while keeping dragic will send us pretty far into tax


probably not, but i dont expect Dragic to spend the entire year on the Raps. Think he gets moved. This could also be a 3 way as Texas Chuck mentioned in a post above that he wouldnt mind Dallas taking Dragic on. If not, he could get moved at the deadline to bring the raps under the tax. You'd only need to shed like 5-7 mill to get under it depending on what GTJ ends up being paid

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