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2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

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Grade the Suns off-season moves so far

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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1181 » by Barkley6 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:24 pm

darealjuice wrote:Completely forgot that Siakam tore his labrum and is out until around December. Hard to see him being traded for anything worthwhile before the trade deadline, and that'd be if he's playing well.

Noel is going somewhere with cap space and playing time, ideally at starting role. It doesn't make sense for us financially to give a center $10M to play 15 minutes per game, and it doesn't make sense for him career-wise to accept a bench role after doing well as a starter after Robinson went down. He's too young to turn down money and playing time for a small chance at winning a ring.

I'd expect us to be mindful of the way we use our money. We used the MLE on Crowder last year, so if we're using it this year I'd anticipate it being on a player with a similar level of contribution. The only spots that really have minutes available are power forward and center if we're able to keep Payne. Mikal, Crowder, and Cam combined for about 85 minutes per game at forward last year, leaving around 11 minutes at power forward and 15 minutes at center assuming Booker doesn't play any small forward. I would be surprised if we used the MLE on someone that couldn't fill those minutes in the rotation. It would also mean Stix isn't playing again this year, not that it matters much.

Sidery pointed out a path to getting just below the luxury tax this year, and I do expect that to be part of the goal while filling out the roster considering future salary and luxury tax implications. It shouldn't be a problem to make that happen though.


Bobby Portis is the only guy on the market that I think can fill those 26 or so minutes for us and do it at a high level. Would he leave Milwaukee? Would he sign for the MLE? Not sure, but I would love it if it happened.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1182 » by Saberestar » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:07 pm

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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1183 » by saintEscaton » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:12 pm

Trade for Turner or Sabonis. Jalen Smith+ Crowder should make it happen. Do it James Jones I implore you so!
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1184 » by Revived » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:15 pm

I don’t really want Igoudala unless it’s for the vet min and even then…meh.

We have Crowder for the same role that he does.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1185 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:18 pm

Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) Tweeted:
Mentioned this on @SportsCenter this morning.

The decision of Kyle Lowry has huge consequences for the rest of the league. https://t.co/Whtrts7h5k
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1186 » by dremill24 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:37 pm

Sign me up for Rudy Gay, to be honest. We're not solving any of our real problems in FA so I'll take a bench wing who can get his own shot, can hit the 3, and has the size to not get trucked by every wing who's eaten a sandwich like Cam/Bridges.

I think Holmes/Noel are out of our price range, so I'd pursue someone like Javale McGee, Khem Birch, or Robin Lopez.

Re-sign Payne and get a 3rd string ball handler off the scrap heap.

Also into guys like Nic Batum, Jeff Green, Jamychael Green, Otto Porter, Sterling Brown, Norvel Pelle, Keita Bates-Diop.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1187 » by Barkley6 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:40 pm

PhxLax wrote:Also, 2 questions:

1. Is the DPE a sure thing? Or just speculation pending if doctors decide Saric needs a full year rest?

2. What's up with T. Alexander. Thought he's a free agent but listed as player with contract this coming season. He gonna be on the roster?


In order to qualify for the DPE, the applying team must have a doctor state that it is simply 'more likely than not' that the player wouldn't be able to play before June. Considering the average length of an ACL recovery in the NBA is 11 months, that shouldn't be difficult to get.

The Suns don't HAVE to apply for it right away, they have until January to apply and have until March to use it once it is granted.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1188 » by Barkley6 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:45 pm

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That essentially takes the Heat out of the FA market, unless they find a S&T. One less team with cap space.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1189 » by BobbieL » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:48 pm

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That essentially takes the Heat out of the FA market, unless they find a S&T. One less team with cap space.


Woj already reporting that Dragic can be used in a sign trade - perhaps for Lowry .

Goran gets another 19m
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1190 » by Barkley6 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:51 pm

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Barkley6 wrote:
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That essentially takes the Heat out of the FA market, unless they find a S&T. One less team with cap space.


Woj already reporting that Dragic can be used in a sign trade - perhaps for Lowry .

Goran gets another 19m


Goran for Lowry would be REALLY interesting in terms of the rest of the market because it basically eats up the cap for both teams. So that would be their one big move. That would leave only 6 teams with cap space, which would likely point to a lot of guys staying put with their current teams, or a lot of guys settling for the MLE.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1191 » by spanishninja » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:58 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
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That essentially takes the Heat out of the FA market, unless they find a S&T. One less team with cap space.


Woj already reporting that Dragic can be used in a sign trade - perhaps for Lowry .

Goran gets another 19m


Goran for Lowry would be REALLY interesting in terms of the rest of the market because it basically eats up the cap for both teams. So that would be their one big move. That would leave only 6 teams with cap space, which would likely point to a lot of guys staying put with their current teams, or a lot of guys settling for the MLE.
That would be good for us because we were never gonna be one of the teams making big moves

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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1192 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:03 pm

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Barkley6 wrote:
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After McD leaked his stories, they bashed him a bit.

He's never been thought of as bad as Dolan though.

I thought he was worse during the SSOL years selling picks, forcing KT to be trading with firsts, clashing with the Colangelos, getting rid of them and Griffin, D'Antoni, Kerr, etc. I think he's gradually learned from his mistakes over the years. I think he earned a ton of criticism which I gave him, but right now it's mostly just people who always complain or can't see the forest for the trees.


I don't like Sarver, but since hiring McD...what're the moves he's personally had a hand in that were bad? From everything I've heard, he stepped back after being overly hands on in the SSOL era.

I remember we slammed him for firing McD shortly before the 18-19 season started, but that actually proved to be one of his best moves as it allowed James Jones to start the process of fixing the roster. I remember people saying that he only hired JJ instead of a 'real gm' (pardon the pun) because he was the cheapest option, and look how that turned out.

Like I said, I don't like Sarver, I find him smarmy and smug and I'll never really forgive him for how he mismanaged the Nash years, but it's been a while since he's really stepped in it as a decision maker.


I'd say it's more of a situation of him not doing anything good as opposed to him **** stuff up- like he did during the Nash years.

That said, let's see if he's changed. I'll give him credit for hiring JJ and Monty while so far not doing or saying anything stupid.


I think the players love the new practice facility. As long as he is willing to keep the core together next summer, I'm good. I understand if he wants to stay under the tax this year since may have to pay into the next 2 or 3 after that, and get deep enough to where it escalates and figure out how to avoid repeater tax.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1193 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:20 pm

alamin330 wrote:Not saying Jalen can’t become a good player. I just think the time it could take him would better serve the suns to find a surer more ready player who can help us get the ever so elusive 1st championship. I’m willing to sacrifice Jalen smith


How do we know he's not a sure thing? When you have Ayton, Saric was a phenomenal backup big in the bubble, you signed Crowder for toughness after his trip to the finals, likely promising to start him, have a great backup 4 in Cam who was great in the bubble, Jalen didn't have summer league or a training camp due to COVID and a draft in late October, then got injured, then COVID, then our team was a contender.

So you have this rookie without a training camp or being able to practice with the team due to injury/COVID, and suddenly we are hovering near a top seed. Why insert a rookie without training when suddenly in the playoff mix as a potential contender?
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1194 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:22 pm

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Revived wrote:I wonder which other teams Suns are competing with for Payne. A lot of teams seem set at starting PG and backup PG.


Doubt other teams are interested giving him more than what the Suns are planning to offer - 8/10M.

CP3 will resign for 3 years, Payne will resign for 3 years and I think Monty and JJ hope he develops into a starting PG over this three year contract, which may explain the lack of urgency in drafting PG at 29 and getting rid of JC, who's hardly a PG though.

I think (and hope) that people are gonna be surprised about Payne's contract. I do not expect him to receive more than 6-7 millions per year.

I bet he gets $18M/3 years. We will see.


Seems earlier this year you were expecting more. Not a ton of teams with PG needs but lots of guys on market with Lowry, Conley, Ball, Schroder, Jackson, Graham, Dinwiddie, McConnell, etc. Payne less proven than all those guys and loves the chance Monty gave him and the team.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1195 » by Blonde » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:24 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Trade for Turner or Sabonis. Jalen Smith+ Crowder should make it happen. Do it James Jones I implore you so!

Both Turner and Sabonis have a lot more value than this. Not to mention both of them should be playing at center so not really an ideal fit, though obviously talented.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1196 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:29 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:Trade for Turner or Sabonis. Jalen Smith+ Crowder should make it happen. Do it James Jones I implore you so!

Both Turner and Sabonis have a lot more value than this. Not to mention both of them should be playing at center so not really an ideal fit, though obviously talented.


Don't understand how anyone thinks Sabonis would get traded. He was already an all star C. Best player in Indy by far. Turner maybe available for the right price, but not that. Neither fit with Ayton anyway and both would want to start.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1197 » by Saberestar » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:31 pm

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Doubt other teams are interested giving him more than what the Suns are planning to offer - 8/10M.

CP3 will resign for 3 years, Payne will resign for 3 years and I think Monty and JJ hope he develops into a starting PG over this three year contract, which may explain the lack of urgency in drafting PG at 29 and getting rid of JC, who's hardly a PG though.

I think (and hope) that people are gonna be surprised about Payne's contract. I do not expect him to receive more than 6-7 millions per year.

I bet he gets $18M/3 years. We will see.


Seems earlier this year you were expecting more. Not a ton of teams with PG needs but lots of guys on market with Lowry, Conley, Ball, Schroder, Jackson, Graham, Dinwiddie, McConnell, etc. Payne less proven than all those guys and loves the chance Monty gave him and the team.

No, I was expecting about the same or even a little less money, but at that point he was not a sure thing yet so it looked like it was too much money for him.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1198 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:32 pm

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Saberestar wrote:I think (and hope) that people are gonna be surprised about Payne's contract. I do not expect him to receive more than 6-7 millions per year.

I bet he gets $18M/3 years. We will see.


Seems earlier this year you were expecting more. Not a ton of teams with PG needs but lots of guys on market with Lowry, Conley, Ball, Schroder, Jackson, Graham, Dinwiddie, McConnell, etc. Payne less proven than all those guys and loves the chance Monty gave him and the team.

No, I was expecting about the same or even a little less money, but at that point he was not a sure thing yet so it looked like it was too much money for him.


I was thinking about 3/$21
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1199 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:34 pm

Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Andre Iguodala makes a lot of sense for the Suns on a veteran’s minimum deal. Would be the perfect mentor for Mikal Bridges as well.
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If Iggy could help Bridges get stronger and yoked like he was back in his prime, Then he might be worth the minimum. But aside from that, Batum or Bullock or even Mo Harkless would be much more beneficial options for us on the bi annual IF we don't anticipate bringing back Craig.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#1200 » by Blonde » Sun Aug 1, 2021 8:38 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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saintEscaton wrote:Trade for Turner or Sabonis. Jalen Smith+ Crowder should make it happen. Do it James Jones I implore you so!

Both Turner and Sabonis have a lot more value than this. Not to mention both of them should be playing at center so not really an ideal fit, though obviously talented.


Don't understand how anyone thinks Sabonis would get traded. He was already an all star C. Best player in Indy by far. Turner maybe available for the right price, but not that. Neither fit with Ayton anyway and both would want to start.

I think there MIGHT be room for Turner to play at PF on certain teams given he can stretch it out on offense reasonably well, and he’s not very good on the glass. His best value would be at C next to Zion, Randle, Tatum, or other initiating PFs. I suppose I’d do Johnson + Smith + salary filler for Turner if it were offered. Sabonis has much greater trade value (though I’m not convinced he’s a more valuable player).

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