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[F N 11]

once they rehired scott perry you should have known this kind of thing would happen.

This, we still have no creativity and always trade with the same teams.

[Oscirus]

the fournier signing is the least of my worries

[2010]

once they rehired scott perry you should have known this kind of thing would happen.

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[mpharris36]

We have at least 3 major roles (starting point, starting wing, backup center) and 2 lesser roles to fill (backup point, third power forward) and $52mm to fill them. If Fornier takes $19mm (as rumored), then it's $33mm to spread out over the rest of the roster.

That means, Fournier would likely be the largest contract we sign and therefore the centerpiece of the offseason (ala Randle).

We have one major hole to fill. A superstar #1 option. Everything else comes secondary. Tying up 20 MM in Fournier moves us farther from that goal.

Let's pretend there actually is a #1 superstar option available somewhere.

We either sign this superstar through:

(1) maintaining cap space flexibility every year (i.e. only sign 1 year deals)

(2) sign players to fair or below market deals so they're tradeable assets

Going down path (1), eventually Randle, RJ and other "core" guys we might want to keep will become eligible for contract extensions and significant bumps, so we'll face maintaining cap space flexibility or being that team that only keeps rookie contracts.

Going down path (2), we'll remain competitive and as long as the contracts aren't stupid, we can send back good players to teams with disgruntled superstars that aren't looking to totally blow it up. Furthermore, any of our draft picks we send back would not be viewed as valuable as we presumably would be significantly more competitive after the trade.

I don't see option (1) as a sustainable strategy - not only is it impossible to build a team culture by signing mercenaries every offseason, but frankly, we just saw a bunch of cap strung teams free up space through trades and we lost a bunch of competitiveness through our cap space quite quickly.

Therefore, option (2) is really the only path that makes sense, even if the ultimate target is a superstar.

How long do we keep kicking the can down the road though? At what point do the super agents Leon and WWW work there magic. We had a successful year and still no one wants to come?

The direction they chose is to get better fast and convince a big time player to come here via trade/fa. If they don't get a big player I do consider that a failure.

The chose to not find the future star via the draft. The ship has sailed since they plan on winning as many games as possible. So the clock is ticking and every year you wait the value contracts like Randle/RJ ect wont be value when you have to pay them.

[NotDikembeSayNo]

Fournier is a perfect fit, not sure why people are already whining.

a perfect fit to continue to be a 1st round playoff exit team?

I mean do you honestly think I’m implying he should be the only addition? Of course we’re a first round exit if he’s our only signing. I didn’t think I had to specify that he shouldn’t be the centerpiece of the off-season.

[HerSports85]

What I want

Rose / McBride / Luca
Grimes / IQ
RJ / Hart or Oubre
Randle / Obi
Mitch / ??

Key deep bench players
Taj
Pinson

[robillionaire]

Fournier isn’t a bad player. I mean he’s not a guy that moves the needle or anything but you could do worse

I just wonder, if they do sign him, why they didn’t cough up a 2nd rounder or whatever Boston paid to get him at the deadline last year? We could have used the extra spark and scoring

[Oscirus]

also, now thats three major trades in the last two years that the knicks have failed to make. SO unless they're trading the better player or getting something on the cheap, the knicks have shown their inability to make a trade. At this point Id take any trade from this front office.

[god shammgod]

once they rehired scott perry you should have known this kind of thing would happen.

I still don't see how Perry has that much pull in the organization. Leon/WWW/Aller and Thibs all have more say. And Walt Perrin has more say in the draft.

Perry is the guy that makes the calls and negotiates he doesn't make overall roster decisions.

Can't really put this on him if this is the plan. Leon and WWW were suppose to be the connection people. Steve Mills could provide an offseason of Schroder and Fournier.

who says he only makes phone calls ? you guys made that up to feel better about him being here. nobody ever reported anything like that.

leon is not a basketball guy. he was an agent.
wes is not a basketball guy. he was a power broker.
brock aller is not a basketball guy. he started out as the cavs owner's personal assistant and worked on the business side most of his career with the cavs. then he became a cap expert.
perry is the basketball guy. he was a college player. he was a college coach. he was an assistant coach at michigan. he worked in 4 front offices before this one. he's the guy with the most experience by far. it just so happens, he sucks.

[Oscirus]

Fournier isn’t a bad player. I mean he’s not a guy that moves the needle or anything but you could do worse

I just wonder, if they do sign him, why they didn’t cough up a 2nd rounder or whatever Boston paid to get him at the deadline last year? We could have used the extra spark and scoring

and the extra chemistry bonding. I guess those extra 2nds are gonna come in handy someday.

[aq_ua]

We have one major hole to fill. A superstar #1 option. Everything else comes secondary. Tying up 20 MM in Fournier moves us farther from that goal.

Let's pretend there actually is a #1 superstar option available somewhere.

We either sign this superstar through:

(1) maintaining cap space flexibility every year (i.e. only sign 1 year deals)

(2) sign players to fair or below market deals so they're tradeable assets

Going down path (1), eventually Randle, RJ and other "core" guys we might want to keep will become eligible for contract extensions and significant bumps, so we'll face maintaining cap space flexibility or being that team that only keeps rookie contracts.

Going down path (2), we'll remain competitive and as long as the contracts aren't stupid, we can send back good players to teams with disgruntled superstars that aren't looking to totally blow it up. Furthermore, any of our draft picks we send back would not be viewed as valuable as we presumably would be significantly more competitive after the trade.

I don't see option (1) as a sustainable strategy - not only is it impossible to build a team culture by signing mercenaries every offseason, but frankly, we just saw a bunch of cap strung teams free up space through trades and we lost a bunch of competitiveness through our cap space quite quickly.

Therefore, option (2) is really the only path that makes sense, even if the ultimate target is a superstar.

How long do we keep kicking the can down the road though? At what point do the super agents Leon and WWW work there magic. We had a successful year and still no one wants to come?

The direction they chose is to get better fast and convince a big time player to come here via trade/fa. If they don't get a big player I do consider that a failure.

The chose to not find the future star via the draft. The ship has sailed since they plan on winning as many games as possible. So the clock is ticking and every year you wait the value contracts like Randle/RJ ect wont be value when you have to pay them.

The bolded is basically my point. The strategy needs to change from just holding cap space, but using free agency to accumulate assets. Which is why it's not so much about how competitive Fornier makes next year (hint: we're not winning a championship), but how valuable Fornier can be as a potential trade asset down the road.

[F N 11]

the fournier signing is the least of my worries

True, would probably be 1 plus 1 poison pill since no one is paying him long term. The issue always and still is point guard.

[DaGawd]

I’m gonna choose to ignore the Fournier thing as just a mere rumor at this stage as it’s irritating my soul before bed..

[WargamesX]

Fournier isn’t a bad player. I mean he’s not a guy that moves the needle or anything but you could do worse

I just wonder, if they do sign him, why they didn’t cough up a 2nd rounder or whatever Boston paid to get him at the deadline last year? We could have used the extra spark and scoring

I always thought they were hesitant to mess with the team’s chemistry. They liked each other and played for each other, and messing with that (plus minutes for the 1 year contracts on team) would only create disharmony and mess with the locker room.

[F N 11]

Fournier isn’t a bad player. I mean he’s not a guy that moves the needle or anything but you could do worse

I just wonder, if they do sign him, why they didn’t cough up a 2nd rounder or whatever Boston paid to get him at the deadline last year? We could have used the extra spark and scoring

Very solid point

[3toheadmelo]

Looks like our front office isn't sold on the long term future of a non-offensive rim runner if we're trying to get Turner. I wonder which of us thought like that a year ago

[mpharris36]

Fournier is a perfect fit, not sure why people are already whining.

a perfect fit to continue to be a 1st round playoff exit team?

I mean do you honestly think I’m implying he should be the only addition? Of course we’re a first round exit if he’s our only signing. I didn’t think I had to specify that he shouldn’t be the centerpiece of the off-season.

How much do you think he is getting paid? If we put two and two together. How much Fournier is expecting and how much cap space we will have. Taking up nearly half of it with Fournier doesn't move the needle.

[robillionaire]

Fournier isn’t a bad player. I mean he’s not a guy that moves the needle or anything but you could do worse

I just wonder, if they do sign him, why they didn’t cough up a 2nd rounder or whatever Boston paid to get him at the deadline last year? We could have used the extra spark and scoring

I always thought they were hesitant to mess with the team’s chemistry. They liked each other and played for each other, and messing with that (plus minutes for the 1 year contracts on team) would only create disharmony and mess with the locker room.

I guess I can understand that perspective. I just thought it was evident we needed an extra spark

My hypothesis is that they just didn’t want to cough up any assets. You see how they operate these days. Every 2nd rounder is vital!

[DaGawd]

Lol my blood pressure if I have to watch Grimes back up bum ass Fournier for 4 years…

[2010]

once they rehired scott perry you should have known this kind of thing would happen.

I still don't see how Perry has that much pull in the organization. Leon/WWW/Aller and Thibs all have more say. And Walt Perrin has more say in the draft.

Perry is the guy that makes the calls and negotiates he doesn't make overall roster decisions.

Can't really put this on him if this is the plan. Leon and WWW were suppose to be the connection people. Steve Mills could provide an offseason of Schroder and Fournier.

who says he only makes phone calls ? you guys made that up to feel better about him being here. nobody ever reported anything like that.

leon is not a basketball guy. he was an agent.
wes is not a basketball guy. he was a power broker.
brock aller is not a basketball guy. he started out as the cavs owner's personal assistant and worked on the business side most of his career with the cavs. then he became a cap expert.
perry is the basketball guy. he was a college player. he was a college coach. he was an assistant coach at michigan. he worked in 4 front offices before this one. he's the guy with the most experience by far. it just so happens, he sucks.

Tha god over here tryna kill me like…

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