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Adelheid · Post #1201 » by **Adelheid** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:56 am

If the front office cant get the longterm guy they want in FA, they should just pawn the capspace and absorb some contracts for picks
who says no?

Oscirus · Post #1202 » by **Oscirus** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:58 am

Adelheid wrote:If the front office cant get the longterm guy they want in FA, they should just pawn the capspace and absorb some contracts for picks
who says no?

we not a lottery team and this team clearly has no use for picks so that makes little to no sense

god shammgod · Post #1203 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:58 am

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DaGawd · Post #1204 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:00 am

Oscirus wrote:
Adelheid wrote:If the front office cant get the longterm guy they want in FA, they should just pawn the capspace and absorb some contracts for picks
who says no?

we not a lottery team and this team clearly has no use for picks so that makes little to no sense

You don’t have to be a lottery team to collect other teams picks.. your logic is flawed. Those additional picks help in making a trade down the road for a star player

Post #1205 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:00 am

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Post #1206 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:01 am

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Post #1207 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:02 am

Some good news for a change…they had to change his agents so maybe Scott Perry won’t have his number

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cgmw · Post #1208 » by **cgmw** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:03 am

mpharris36 wrote:not saying Fournier is a bad player. He is not. But they better not peddle Fournier as a key move. He is a role player we will have to overpay.

That is not what this FO was brought in here to accomplish.

Seems like bullsh*t UNLESS we really are about to deal RJ for Dame.

2010 · Post #1209 » by **2010** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:03 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Some good news for a change…they had to change his agents so maybe Scott Perry won’t have his number

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3toheadmelo · Post #1210 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:04 am

mpharris36 wrote:
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god shammgod · Post #1211 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:04 am

at some point the knicks front office is gonna have to admit that the cap space route aint gonna work right now. there's hardly anyone of note this summer and they still don't want to come here. i'm supposed to believe they're signing beal or lavine next summer ? stop it.

Adelheid · Post #1212 » by **Adelheid** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:05 am

Oscirus wrote:
Adelheid wrote:If the front office cant get the longterm guy they want in FA, they should just pawn the capspace and absorb some contracts for picks
who says no?

we not a lottery team and this team clearly has no use for picks so that makes little to no sense

We cant trade for Sexton or even Shai because we dont have enough assets and picks

The ownership doesnt care much about stockpiling 1st rounders, but during events like these, they are silently wishing they had the picks

Yeah sure they dont have use for the picks.........

Knick4Real · Post #1213 » by **Knick4Real** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:06 am

Oscirus wrote:the fournier signing is the least of my worries

When did Fournier get signed??

god shammgod · Post #1214 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:07 am

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Post #1215 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:07 am

god shammgod wrote:at some point the knicks front office is gonna have to admit that the cap space route aint gonna work right now. there's hardly anyone of note this summer and they still don't want to come here. i'm supposed to believe they're signing beal or lavine next summer ? stop it.

That’s where they might throw a bag at Fournier

Post #1216 » by **HerSports85** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:08 am

I just don’t like this FA market

Oscirus · Post #1217 » by **Oscirus** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:09 am

DaGawd wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
Adelheid wrote:If the front office cant get the longterm guy they want in FA, they should just pawn the capspace and absorb some contracts for picks
who says no?

we not a lottery team and this team clearly has no use for picks so that makes little to no sense

You don’t have to be a lottery team to collect other teams picks.. your logic is flawed. Those additional picks help in making a trade down the road for a star player

without the cap space to absorb said teams bad contracts? Good luck with that

Post #1218 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:09 am

He has got a point..you know Pat the rat is working the back channels

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god shammgod · Post #1219 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:10 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
god shammgod wrote:at some point the knicks front office is gonna have to admit that the cap space route aint gonna work right now. there's hardly anyone of note this summer and they still don't want to come here. i'm supposed to believe they're signing beal or lavine next summer ? stop it.

That’s where they might throw a bag at Fournier

he asked the celtics for 80 for 4

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Richard4444 · Post #1220 » by **Richard4444** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:12 am

mpharris36 wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
We have one major hole to fill. A superstar #1 option. Everything else comes secondary. Tying up 20 MM in Fournier moves us farther from that goal.

Let's pretend there actually is a #1 superstar option available somewhere.

We either sign this superstar through:

(1) maintaining cap space flexibility every year (i.e. only sign 1 year deals)

(2) sign players to fair or below market deals so they're tradeable assets

Going down path (1), eventually Randle, RJ and other "core" guys we might want to keep will become eligible for contract extensions and significant bumps, so we'll face maintaining cap space flexibility or being that team that only keeps rookie contracts.

Going down path (2), we'll remain competitive and as long as the contracts aren't stupid, we can send back good players to teams with disgruntled superstars that aren't looking to totally blow it up. Furthermore, any of our draft picks we send back would not be viewed as valuable as we presumably would be significantly more competitive after the trade.

I don't see option (1) as a sustainable strategy - not only is it impossible to build a team culture by signing mercenaries every offseason, but frankly, we just saw a bunch of cap strung teams free up space through trades and we lost a bunch of competitiveness through our cap space quite quickly.

Therefore, option (2) is really the only path that makes sense, even if the ultimate target is a superstar.

How long do we keep kicking the can down the road though? At what point do the super agents Leon and WWW work there magic. We had a successful year and still no one wants to come?

The direction they chose is to get better fast and convince a big time player to come here via trade/fa. If they don't get a big player I do consider that a failure.

The chose to not find the future star via the draft. The ship has sailed since they plan on winning as many games as possible. So the clock is ticking and every year you wait the value contracts like Randle/RJ ect wont be value when you have to pay them.

There are no star players under 36 years in the Free Agency.