Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[aggo]

m

[stuporman]

no

you are failing to understand the principle of capspace and the extensions RJ and Randle will command. In order to maximize the utility of us CURRENTLY being under the cap, it is necessary that the team uses all of its capspace before RJ and Randle are extended because we possess their bird rights and have the ability to go over the cap to resign both players. We will collect contracts via trades and FA or RFA before we sign RJ to his new RFA. RJ's contract will likely move from 10m to 25m+ and Randle's at 18 to 25m+. Both need to be extended while we are OVER THE CAP.

if the team does not utilize the capspace before resigning RJ, then RJ's new contract will prohibit the team from going over the cap in FA.


so again.


we are spending all of the capspace or trading RJ/Randle before '23 whether you like this or not, its a guarantee.

Apparently you like to argue about nothing at all because you keep avoiding the point and debating the obvious part we both know....eventually the Knicks will spend the cap space.

So stop quoting me with this nonsense, you aren't saying anything I have any interest in discussing any further since you prefer the Knicks overpay for mediocre talent just because they have to spend it.

bro

did u just write

underpay for quality talent?


dude this is a superstar league, not an all-value league. Sorry dude, in reality the only way to acquire talent in the NBA is to get a top 3 pick, hit on 1 in 100 odds on a non top3 pick, or overpay in trading or free agency. I'll let you figure out which is the easiest way out of those 3.

there's no other way.

Last season the Knicks had their best season in almost a decade, were a top half of the league team according to their regular season record but did it with the lowest payroll in the league.

All of the major contributors' production last season outweighed their salary and while that may not be the case with every player every season going forward it contradicts your assertion.

Not sure why you keep arguing for the Knicks to overpay for mediocre talent just because you think they have to spend it all right away, Isiah isn't in charge anymore.

So your opinion isn't supported by the evidence but don't let reality change your opinion about your opinion, I'm sure you will find another way to convince yourself you are right.

[thebuzzardman]

So, is today the big day when the Sexton, Beal and Lillard trades don't happen?

Can't wait.

[F N 11]

Kawhi expected to resign with Clippers but will listen to other teams. Excellentt

[thebuzzardman]

Apparently you like to argue about nothing at all because you keep avoiding the point and debating the obvious part we both know....eventually the Knicks will spend the cap space.

So stop quoting me with this nonsense, you aren't saying anything I have any interest in discussing any further since you prefer the Knicks overpay for mediocre talent just because they have to spend it.

bro

did u just write

underpay for quality talent?


dude this is a superstar league, not an all-value league. Sorry dude, in reality the only way to acquire talent in the NBA is to get a top 3 pick, hit on 1 in 100 odds on a non top3 pick, or overpay in trading or free agency. I'll let you figure out which is the easiest way out of those 3.

there's no other way.

Last season the Knicks had their best season in almost a decade, were a top half of the league team according to their regular season record but did it with the lowest payroll in the league.

All of the major contributors' production last season outweighed their salary and while that may not be the case with every player every season going forward it contradicts your assertion.

Not sure why you keep arguing for the Knicks to overpay for mediocre talent just because you think they have to spend it all right away, Isiah isn't in charge anymore.

So your opinion isn't supported by the evidence but don't let reality change your opinion about your opinion, I'm sure you will find another way to convince yourself you are right.

I'll wade into this argument, because you both make a few valid points.

Aggo is right the Knicks need to move within a certain window because Randle and RJ's contracts will cap the Knicks out

Stuporman is right in that capping out with...lets say Schroeder + Fournier will give the Knicks not the highest ceiling, but then that's the team for a while. So, there's an argument for patience - to try and "hit the FA/trade HR" before next season deadline.

And, uh, I kind of forgot the other point I wanted to make.

This is one that is in and around your discussion, but I'm not sure directly discussed.

Knicks did well, got 4th seed, and Thibs did well with what is essentially a budget lineup.
I've contended a few times that outside Mitch getting hurt and some Burks downtime, Knicks got pretty lucky with injuries and the team generally had to perform at max level to win games, even against not so great teams.
Knicks had to play at max or over their head too often just to be in games. Thibs is a good coach, but I don't trust that as sustainable.
Another thing I don't trust as truly sustainable is getting good contributions from 1 year guys. This year Burks, Bullocks re-up and Noel worked out. Elf, not so much. Rivers, not at all. Pretty good though. But when is the next run of Mudiay and Herzonja types coming? Again, trusting that 4 rotational positions can be filled each year by mercenaries on cheap contracts is a risk. Eventually, luck runs out.
I'd say the Knicks got guys on cheap deals. The FO deserves credit for getting good contributions at cheap prices and 1 year from Burks, Bullocks, Noel, and decent by lesser contributions from Elf and Taj.
But at some point, Knicks need to add some talent that's going to be around for a few years and that will cost some $
Then again, it doesn't mean capping the team out.

Besides the fact that the Knicks have to backfill Elf (easy) Rose (not so much) Burks (not as easy as you think) and Bullocks (shouldn't be THAT hard) the Knicks have to get better. And lets not even get into the argument of "4th seed", because I think most posters know the Knicks are really somewhere between a 7th seed to play-in, if they brought the same roster back and every team in the east was the same again.

Knicks have to make some moves. They have to spend some money. It's all about how much, when, on who and if worth it, and importantly, retaining flexibility.

[thebuzzardman]

Kawhi expected to resign with Clippers but will listen to other teams. Excellentt

I can't shake the thought that Kawhi is worried that his career might end any moment next year because of injury, and instead of risking the larger payday of picking up option and then signing with Clippers after (Sean Marks tweet), that Kawhi is going for some financial security but less money, to just stay with the Clippers.

I mean, I've seen assumptions he doesn't like the doctors on Clips or he just a weird/autistic guy, but what if Kawhi is just a smart guy, who has listened to his doctors, who've told him his hip might be finished any day now, and he's using his last bit of leverage to get paid and securing 100 million over 3 years vs 180 over 5, where he might not ever see but 35 of the 180?

[Ray Williams]

The restricted FA list is pretty uninspiring lol

That's somebody's collated list.

Here's the full list of guards/SF:

Spoiler:

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/the-full-list-of-2021-nba-free-agents-point-guards-and-shooting-guards

Lonzo Ball - Restricted Free Agent
Duncan Robinson - Restricted Free Agent
Malik Monk - Restricted Free Agent
Gary Trent Jr. - Restricted Free Agent
Bruce Brown Jr. - Restricted Free Agent
Talen Horton-Tucker - Restricted Free Agent
Devonte' Graham - Restricted Free Agent
Kendrick Nunn - Restricted Free Agent
Hamidou Diallo - Restricted Free Agent
Josh Hart - Restricted Free Agent
Dennis Smith Jr. - Restricted Free Agent
Frank Ntilikina - Restricted Free Agent
Terence Davis - Restricted Free Agent
Mike James - Restricted Free Agent
Chris Chiozza - Restricted Free Agent
Armoni Brooks - Restricted Free Agent
Garrison Mathews - Restricted Free Agent
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - Restricted Free Agent
Theo Pinson - Restricted Free Agent
Javonte Green - Restricted Free Agent
Brandon Goodwin - Restricted Free Agent
Sindarius Thornwell - Restricted Free Agent
Jared Harper - Restricted Free Agent
Shaquille Harrison - Restricted Free Agent
Skylar Mays - Restricted Free Agent
Saben Lee - Restricted Free Agent
Tyler Bey - Restricted Free Agent
Markus Howard - Restricted Free Agent
Max Strus - Restricted Free Agent
Grant Riller - Restricted Free Agent
Nate Darling - Restricted Free Agent
Kyle Guy - Restricted Free Agent
Amir Coffey - Restricted Free Agent
Nico Mannion - Restricted Free Agent
Axel Toupane - Restricted Free Agent
Chasson Randle - Restricted Free Agent
Adam Mokoka - Restricted Free Agent
Tremont Waters - Restricted Free Agent
Trent Forrest - Restricted Free Agent
Cassius Stanley - Restricted Free Agent
Jalen Harris - Restricted Free Agent
Jordan McLaughlin - Restricted Free Agent
Frank Jackson - Restricted Free Agent
Cassius Winston - Restricted Free Agent
Nate Hinton - Restricted Free Agent
Gabe Vincent - Restricted Free Agent
Devon Dotson - Restricted Free Agent
Quinndary Weatherspoon - Restricted Free Agent

Forwards and Centers who are restricted:

John Collins - Restricted Free Agent
Lauri Markkanen - Restricted Free Agent
Jarrett Allen - Restricted Free Agent
Zach Collins - Restricted Free Agent
Tacko Fall - Restricted Free Agent
Nicolo Melli - Restricted Free Agent
DJ Wilson - Restricted Free Agent
Thanasis Antetokounmpo - Restricted Free Agent
Isaac Bonga - Restricted Free Agent
Jarred Vanderbilt - Restricted Free Agent
Juwan Morgan - Restricted Free Agent
Cameron Oliver - Restricted Free Agent
Ignas Brazdeikis - Restricted Free Agent
Jarrell Brantley - Restricted Free Agent
Keita Bates-Diop - Restricted Free Agent
Josh Hall - Restricted Free Agent
Kostas Antetokounmpo - Restricted Free Agent
Gary Clark - Restricted Free Agent
Louis King - Restricted Free Agent
Rayjon Tucker - Restricted Free Agent
James Nunnally - Restricted Free Agent
Anthony Lamb - Restricted Free Agent
TJ Leaf - Restricted Free Agent
Killian Tillie - Restricted Free Agent
Sean McDermott - Restricted Free Agent
Nathan Knight - Restricted Free Agent
Justin Jackson - Restricted Free Agent
Tony Bradley - Restricted Free Agent
Moritz Wagner - Restricted Free Agent
Reggie Perry - Restricted Free Agent
Devontae Cacok - Restricted Free Agent

Malik Monk… he’s the one

He’s unrestricted now

[Bob Ross]

Kawhi expected to resign with Clippers but will listen to other teams. Excellentt

I can't shake the thought that Kawhi is worried that his career might end any moment next year because of injury, and instead of risking the larger payday of picking up option and then signing with Clippers after (Sean Marks tweet), that Kawhi is going for some financial security but less money, to just stay with the Clippers.

I mean, I've seen assumptions he doesn't like the doctors on Clips or he just a weird/autistic guy, but what if Kawhi is just a smart guy, who has listened to his doctors, who've told him his hip might be finished any day now, and he's using his last bit of leverage to get paid and securing 100 million over 3 years vs 180 over 5, where he might not ever see but 35 of the 180?

That's a good point.

[thebuzzardman]

Kawhi expected to resign with Clippers but will listen to other teams. Excellentt

I can't shake the thought that Kawhi is worried that his career might end any moment next year because of injury, and instead of risking the larger payday of picking up option and then signing with Clippers after (Sean Marks tweet), that Kawhi is going for some financial security but less money, to just stay with the Clippers.

I mean, I've seen assumptions he doesn't like the doctors on Clips or he just a weird/autistic guy, but what if Kawhi is just a smart guy, who has listened to his doctors, who've told him his hip might be finished any day now, and he's using his last bit of leverage to get paid and securing 100 million over 3 years vs 180 over 5, where he might not ever see but 35 of the 180?

That's a good point.

It's never been clear to me. Is his tendon issue a degenerative thing?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/medical-expert-discusses-kawhi-leonards-mysterious-injury-and-whats-next-for-him/

CBS Sports: We hear about tendinitis or a torn tendon, but what do they mean by tendinopathy? That's one we don't hear about as much.

Jeff Stotts: Well, the problem with tendinopathy is it can kind of be a catch-all term. A lot of times it just refers to anything that's wrong with the tendon itself. It can be anything from tendinitis to an actual disease of the tendon, like a degenerative disease. It can be two extremes. It can be something mild like a tendinitis, or something a little bit more chronic, where it's more problematic. And even sometimes you can either reference tendon tears and include them in the tendinopathy category because they involve a tendon, though there's been no indication that Kawhi ruptured or tore his patella like Tony Parker did around the same time last season.

https://www.3cbperformance.com/blog/kawhi-leonard-knee-injuries-load-management

The 2nd link explains it better. And it's both knees now.

It would be an interesting marriage between Kawhi and Thibs, that's for damn sure. Except we know it's not happening.

[stuporman]

bro

did u just write

underpay for quality talent?


dude this is a superstar league, not an all-value league. Sorry dude, in reality the only way to acquire talent in the NBA is to get a top 3 pick, hit on 1 in 100 odds on a non top3 pick, or overpay in trading or free agency. I'll let you figure out which is the easiest way out of those 3.

there's no other way.

Last season the Knicks had their best season in almost a decade, were a top half of the league team according to their regular season record but did it with the lowest payroll in the league.

All of the major contributors' production last season outweighed their salary and while that may not be the case with every player every season going forward it contradicts your assertion.

Not sure why you keep arguing for the Knicks to overpay for mediocre talent just because you think they have to spend it all right away, Isiah isn't in charge anymore.

So your opinion isn't supported by the evidence but don't let reality change your opinion about your opinion, I'm sure you will find another way to convince yourself you are right.

I'll wade into this argument, because you both make a few valid points.

Aggo is right the Knicks need to move within a certain window because Randle and RJ's contracts will cap the Knicks out

Stuporman is right in that capping out with...lets say Schroeder + Fournier will give the Knicks not the highest ceiling, but then that's the team for a while. So, there's an argument for patience - to try and "hit the FA/trade HR" before next season deadline.

And, uh, I kind of forgot the other point I wanted to make.

This is one that is in and around your discussion, but I'm not sure directly discussed.

Knicks did well, got 4th seed, and Thibs did well with what is essentially a budget lineup.
I've contended a few times that outside Mitch getting hurt and some Burks downtime, Knicks got pretty lucky with injuries and the team generally had to perform at max level to win games, even against not so great teams.
Knicks had to play at max or over their head too often just to be in games. Thibs is a good coach, but I don't trust that as sustainable.
Another thing I don't trust as truly sustainable is getting good contributions from 1 year guys. This year Burks, Bullocks re-up and Noel worked out. Elf, not so much. Rivers, not at all. Pretty good though. But when is the next run of Mudiay and Herzonja types coming? Again, trusting that 4 rotational positions can be filled each year by mercenaries on cheap contracts is a risk. Eventually, luck runs out.
I'd say the Knicks got guys on cheap deals. The FO deserves credit for getting good contributions at cheap prices and 1 year from Burks, Bullocks, Noel, and decent by lesser contributions from Elf and Taj.
But at some point, Knicks need to add some talent that's going to be around for a few years and that will cost some $
Then again, it doesn't mean capping the team out.

Besides the fact that the Knicks have to backfill Elf (easy) Rose (not so much) Burks (not as easy as you think) and Bullocks (shouldn't be THAT hard) the Knicks have to get better. And lets not even get into the argument of "4th seed", because I think most posters know the Knicks are really somewhere between a 7th seed to play-in, if they brought the same roster back and every team in the east was the same again.

Knicks have to make some moves. They have to spend some money. It's all about how much, when, on who and if worth it, and importantly, retaining flexibility.

I wasn't suggesting the Knicks don't have a window of cap flexibility before they will have to pay to continue the team improvement. I was just stating that if the Knicks want to maximize both the cap and the team upside the FO will have to get good value on the talent they do acquire.

In two or three years we don't know what dealings the FO will have accomplished and what the roster will look like. Two or three years ago few would have thought the Knicks FO and team would look like it does now so it's short sighted to assume a sense of being locked in to what we see now.

Oh and watch out, if you write more than a few sentences in a post around here there's a miserable poster who will accuse you of writing essays in the mold of past irrational fantasy homers. There's no room for breaking down ideas into coherent explanations longer than 12 words for that dollar store sham.

[thebuzzardman]

Last season the Knicks had their best season in almost a decade, were a top half of the league team according to their regular season record but did it with the lowest payroll in the league.

All of the major contributors' production last season outweighed their salary and while that may not be the case with every player every season going forward it contradicts your assertion.

Not sure why you keep arguing for the Knicks to overpay for mediocre talent just because you think they have to spend it all right away, Isiah isn't in charge anymore.

So your opinion isn't supported by the evidence but don't let reality change your opinion about your opinion, I'm sure you will find another way to convince yourself you are right.

I'll wade into this argument, because you both make a few valid points.

Aggo is right the Knicks need to move within a certain window because Randle and RJ's contracts will cap the Knicks out

Stuporman is right in that capping out with...lets say Schroeder + Fournier will give the Knicks not the highest ceiling, but then that's the team for a while. So, there's an argument for patience - to try and "hit the FA/trade HR" before next season deadline.

And, uh, I kind of forgot the other point I wanted to make.

This is one that is in and around your discussion, but I'm not sure directly discussed.

Knicks did well, got 4th seed, and Thibs did well with what is essentially a budget lineup.
I've contended a few times that outside Mitch getting hurt and some Burks downtime, Knicks got pretty lucky with injuries and the team generally had to perform at max level to win games, even against not so great teams.
Knicks had to play at max or over their head too often just to be in games. Thibs is a good coach, but I don't trust that as sustainable.
Another thing I don't trust as truly sustainable is getting good contributions from 1 year guys. This year Burks, Bullocks re-up and Noel worked out. Elf, not so much. Rivers, not at all. Pretty good though. But when is the next run of Mudiay and Herzonja types coming? Again, trusting that 4 rotational positions can be filled each year by mercenaries on cheap contracts is a risk. Eventually, luck runs out.
I'd say the Knicks got guys on cheap deals. The FO deserves credit for getting good contributions at cheap prices and 1 year from Burks, Bullocks, Noel, and decent by lesser contributions from Elf and Taj.
But at some point, Knicks need to add some talent that's going to be around for a few years and that will cost some $
Then again, it doesn't mean capping the team out.

Besides the fact that the Knicks have to backfill Elf (easy) Rose (not so much) Burks (not as easy as you think) and Bullocks (shouldn't be THAT hard) the Knicks have to get better. And lets not even get into the argument of "4th seed", because I think most posters know the Knicks are really somewhere between a 7th seed to play-in, if they brought the same roster back and every team in the east was the same again.

Knicks have to make some moves. They have to spend some money. It's all about how much, when, on who and if worth it, and importantly, retaining flexibility.

I wasn't suggesting the Knicks don't have a window of cap flexibility before they will have to pay to continue the team improvement. I was just stating that if the Knicks want to maximize both the cap and the team upside the FO will have to get good value on the talent they do acquire.

In two or three years we don't know what dealings the FO will have accomplished and what the roster will look like. Two or three years ago few would have thought the Knicks FO and team would look like it does now so it's short sighted to assume a sense of being locked in to what we see now.

Oh and watch out, if you write more than a few sentences in a post around here there's a miserable poster who will accuse you of writing fantasy essays in the mold of past irrational homers. There's no room for breaking down ideas into coherent explanations longer than 12 words for that dollar store sham.

My short posts are for when I'm trolling

You are correct though. I guess your discussion comes down to is the value assigned to a Fournier or Powell or Trent Jr etc.

One thing I've been bringing up all year - and I'm not the only one - is that the Knicks have to thread the needle and the FO really needs to perform well within this window, because it's a window. The Knicks have cap space - that's good! But not really the greatest assets, player wise - not so good!

Without predicting the future, I'd be ok with "iterative" moves - I'm not in the "all in" camp - not that I'd be against if if it was sanely executed. Just that, for instance, I'd be ok if the Knicks did something like traded for Sexton and signed Lonzo or Trent Jr and then were better - and I get it caps them out and prevents "getting the star" next year, but I also think if you sign players that don't suck to good deals, they can be moved, and there is still a CHANCE at the star, though again, it just got harder still.

[thebuzzardman]

Ok, let's play pretend:
Combine those rumors

Sexton, Kawhi & Duncan Robinson. That's the offseason.

Obi Knox and some pick out for Sexton
Some random vet to backup PF, like James Johnson. Kelly Olynyk at backup C

How people like it?

Actually, I wrote this and it's dumb. Knicks are going to pay Duncan Robinson 20+ million to come off the bench?

[ag3]

I would rather sign a young Lonzo Ball to a 4yr $90 mil contract than any of the older PGs. Ball fits our timeline and is improving every year.

[TBri1974]

The below is a very good post. If we believe our core is good enough, I believe it is the right time to spend our assets to max out our potential for a few years. Players like Brogden (Indy) and J Grant (Detroit) - combined with perhaps D Robinson, Theiss or Fournier - would be good starts. I wonder how many assets it would take to get Brogden and Turner from Indy? I wonder if Detroit is keen to move on from Grant since he doesn't fit their timeline. I think Ball, D Robinson, Leonard and maybe Fournier are free agents who make sense, and I don't believe Ball to Chi-town is a done deal. I have come around to liking Ball as a signing because he can also be a wing. If he keeps shooting the 3 well and playing defense, he can fit a lot of different lineups.

bro

did u just write

underpay for quality talent?


dude this is a superstar league, not an all-value league. Sorry dude, in reality the only way to acquire talent in the NBA is to get a top 3 pick, hit on 1 in 100 odds on a non top3 pick, or overpay in trading or free agency. I'll let you figure out which is the easiest way out of those 3.

there's no other way.

Last season the Knicks had their best season in almost a decade, were a top half of the league team according to their regular season record but did it with the lowest payroll in the league.

All of the major contributors' production last season outweighed their salary and while that may not be the case with every player every season going forward it contradicts your assertion.

Not sure why you keep arguing for the Knicks to overpay for mediocre talent just because you think they have to spend it all right away, Isiah isn't in charge anymore.

So your opinion isn't supported by the evidence but don't let reality change your opinion about your opinion, I'm sure you will find another way to convince yourself you are right.

I'll wade into this argument, because you both make a few valid points.

Aggo is right the Knicks need to move within a certain window because Randle and RJ's contracts will cap the Knicks out

Stuporman is right in that capping out with...lets say Schroeder + Fournier will give the Knicks not the highest ceiling, but then that's the team for a while. So, there's an argument for patience - to try and "hit the FA/trade HR" before next season deadline.

And, uh, I kind of forgot the other point I wanted to make.

This is one that is in and around your discussion, but I'm not sure directly discussed.

Knicks did well, got 4th seed, and Thibs did well with what is essentially a budget lineup.
I've contended a few times that outside Mitch getting hurt and some Burks downtime, Knicks got pretty lucky with injuries and the team generally had to perform at max level to win games, even against not so great teams.
Knicks had to play at max or over their head too often just to be in games. Thibs is a good coach, but I don't trust that as sustainable.
Another thing I don't trust as truly sustainable is getting good contributions from 1 year guys. This year Burks, Bullocks re-up and Noel worked out. Elf, not so much. Rivers, not at all. Pretty good though. But when is the next run of Mudiay and Herzonja types coming? Again, trusting that 4 rotational positions can be filled each year by mercenaries on cheap contracts is a risk. Eventually, luck runs out.
I'd say the Knicks got guys on cheap deals. The FO deserves credit for getting good contributions at cheap prices and 1 year from Burks, Bullocks, Noel, and decent by lesser contributions from Elf and Taj.
But at some point, Knicks need to add some talent that's going to be around for a few years and that will cost some $
Then again, it doesn't mean capping the team out.

Besides the fact that the Knicks have to backfill Elf (easy) Rose (not so much) Burks (not as easy as you think) and Bullocks (shouldn't be THAT hard) the Knicks have to get better. And lets not even get into the argument of "4th seed", because I think most posters know the Knicks are really somewhere between a 7th seed to play-in, if they brought the same roster back and every team in the east was the same again.

Knicks have to make some moves. They have to spend some money. It's all about how much, when, on who and if worth it, and importantly, retaining flexibility.

[HarthorneWingo]

So, is today the big day when the Sexton, Beal and Lillard trades don't happen?

Can't wait.

That because we’re signing Kawhi and Chris Paul to multi year deals instead.

[HarthorneWingo]

Get ready for the Bullock and Burks overpay.

[BrOnXKing1]

Read on Twitter

[thebuzzardman]

Read on Twitter

Cool. Wanted to cross those names off the list along with the Lillard trade.

[stuporman]

I'll wade into this argument, because you both make a few valid points.

Aggo is right the Knicks need to move within a certain window because Randle and RJ's contracts will cap the Knicks out

Stuporman is right in that capping out with...lets say Schroeder + Fournier will give the Knicks not the highest ceiling, but then that's the team for a while. So, there's an argument for patience - to try and "hit the FA/trade HR" before next season deadline.

And, uh, I kind of forgot the other point I wanted to make.

This is one that is in and around your discussion, but I'm not sure directly discussed.

Knicks did well, got 4th seed, and Thibs did well with what is essentially a budget lineup.
I've contended a few times that outside Mitch getting hurt and some Burks downtime, Knicks got pretty lucky with injuries and the team generally had to perform at max level to win games, even against not so great teams.
Knicks had to play at max or over their head too often just to be in games. Thibs is a good coach, but I don't trust that as sustainable.
Another thing I don't trust as truly sustainable is getting good contributions from 1 year guys. This year Burks, Bullocks re-up and Noel worked out. Elf, not so much. Rivers, not at all. Pretty good though. But when is the next run of Mudiay and Herzonja types coming? Again, trusting that 4 rotational positions can be filled each year by mercenaries on cheap contracts is a risk. Eventually, luck runs out.
I'd say the Knicks got guys on cheap deals. The FO deserves credit for getting good contributions at cheap prices and 1 year from Burks, Bullocks, Noel, and decent by lesser contributions from Elf and Taj.
But at some point, Knicks need to add some talent that's going to be around for a few years and that will cost some $
Then again, it doesn't mean capping the team out.

Besides the fact that the Knicks have to backfill Elf (easy) Rose (not so much) Burks (not as easy as you think) and Bullocks (shouldn't be THAT hard) the Knicks have to get better. And lets not even get into the argument of "4th seed", because I think most posters know the Knicks are really somewhere between a 7th seed to play-in, if they brought the same roster back and every team in the east was the same again.

Knicks have to make some moves. They have to spend some money. It's all about how much, when, on who and if worth it, and importantly, retaining flexibility.

I wasn't suggesting the Knicks don't have a window of cap flexibility before they will have to pay to continue the team improvement. I was just stating that if the Knicks want to maximize both the cap and the team upside the FO will have to get good value on the talent they do acquire.

In two or three years we don't know what dealings the FO will have accomplished and what the roster will look like. Two or three years ago few would have thought the Knicks FO and team would look like it does now so it's short sighted to assume a sense of being locked in to what we see now.

Oh and watch out, if you write more than a few sentences in a post around here there's a miserable poster who will accuse you of writing fantasy essays in the mold of past irrational homers. There's no room for breaking down ideas into coherent explanations longer than 12 words for that dollar store sham.

My short posts are for when I'm trolling

You are correct though. I guess your discussion comes down to is the value assigned to a Fournier or Powell or Trent Jr etc.

One thing I've been bringing up all year - and I'm not the only one - is that the Knicks have to thread the needle and the FO really needs to perform well within this window, because it's a window. The Knicks have cap space - that's good! But not really the greatest assets, player wise - not so good!

Without predicting the future, I'd be ok with "iterative" moves - I'm not in the "all in" camp - not that I'd be against if if it was sanely executed. Just that, for instance, I'd be ok if the Knicks did something like traded for Sexton and signed Lonzo or Trent Jr and then were better - and I get it caps them out and prevents "getting the star" next year, but I also think if you sign players that don't suck to good deals, they can be moved, and there is still a CHANCE at the star, though again, it just got harder still.

With the rep that Aller and Perrin have for cap and draft management respectively along with Rose's relationships from his time as an agent I won't limit their ability to stretch out the window of cap flexibility beyond the next couple years because they are crafty.

All it takes is one of these non-lottery picks the Knicks have to explode on the scene in 'star' fashion or maybe trading for a young guy languishing on someone else's roster to finally fulfill potential so completely alter the landscape of the franchise as Randle is a case in point on the latter.

I just don't want this FO to be pressured by Dolan, fans, media or some imaginary time line into overpaying for 'hope to be' players that may not pan out so saddle the roster and cap with a difficult to move deal if they aren't 'it'. If the FO is to succeed or fail let them do it in their own way and time.

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Not bad. But I got my money on Schroder and Fournier.