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Post#1521 » by spree8 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:36 pm

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Again, I get a kick out of some of you.

I wouldn't want to max out the team with those guys, but each one is probably a better player than anyone the Knicks have on the team now, and had on the team last year, besides Randle.

So, and this hurts some, but:
Fournier, Oubre > RJ.
RJ is cheaper. RJ is way younger. RJ will get better. But right now, those guys are objectively better. Shocking, I know.

Duncan Robinson a tougher case. He's a good shooter. I don't think he's an overall better player than Bullocks or RJ.

Scroeder probably better than Rose is at this point, based on his ability to go out and play 32 mpg.
However, Rose cost DSJr and the rest of 7 or 10 million, while Schroeder is going to get 20 million somewhere.

Funny how this mediocrity at it's finest is actually better than the mediocrity the Knicks rolled out each game last year.

Again, I'm not advocating for these players, but I swear, there is almost no one good enough for a lot of posters.



Punt for next year, like we did with the 19th pick


I guess that's an option. It's one of the paths. All in for star or 1 year deals.
I've got my own issues with 1 year deals.
I think the FO did a pretty solid job getting the right players (wings of some ability and a backup C) on good cheap deals. I worry that well can run dry/not work out.
It's part of the reason I got so sold on a potential Sexton deal, where he'd solve PG, only cost 6 million, and then the Knicks could pursue a max cat either this offseason or next.

I don't have any answers, just opinions. Even those aren't better or more right.
Another way is going younger good players and dropping some $ on Ball, THT or even Trent Jr and HOPE someone can be dealt away if someone "big time" is available. Another kind of risk. At least the team would be young and better, if not great. Pros and cons here.

Meanwhile after all these keystroke, we'll be begging for TJ McConnell to hold down PG after the Knicks whiff on everything. :D



True. I’m ok with a few options.

1. Only give 1 year deals n wait for next years class (which is better).

2. Use cap space to help other teams facilitate trades/absorb 1 year deals and obtain assets.

3. Trade for good young players like Sexton and sign others like Lonzo (if we feel like a good portion of next years free agents are going to stay put or sign extensions before then, like LaVine is now looking to do apparently).



Giving multi-year deals to meh players who have little trade value to other teams is a huge no for me regardless if they make us better. If they don’t make us championship-level better, rather not waste the money and flexibility.
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Post#1522 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:37 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
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Deeeez Knicks wrote:If we are spending on someone...Lonzo sounds better to me then Schroeder, Fournier, Oubre


Lonzo doesn't address driving to the rim.

I'd like Lonzo too. To play wing.
The Knicks would low key kind of suck pairing Lonzo with RJ.

Part of the issue is....wait for it...is that RJ isn't that dynamic or that good driving the ball, getting his own scoring.
Sure, Ball could facilitate for him, but I think there would eventually be a certain level of frustration with Ball making 20 million and meanwhile no one besides Randle can effectively create for himself and the D is staying home on RJ's and Ball's 3 pointers.

Schroeder is in NO WAY my first choice.

But if no Sexton, Rose might not come back, then who, and at what cost?

Again, I'd be disappointed. Sexton my choice for multiple reasons: age, upside, better, cost, flexibility.
But what if the Cavs just don't want to trade him? Knicks make them?
Even Ball might not even want the Knicks.


He doesn't address that part, but he does address a bunch of other things the Knicks could use. I look at him more in terms of a plan where we eventually find another creator. I am not even sure he is a great idea, but seems better then Schroeder. At least he is young and has some room to get better.

I am down for Sexton too. He is looking better and better compared to other options. But who knows what the cost or availability is?


Sexton\Ball my dream offseason, but I believe both the Cavs and Ball told the Knicks to go f*ck off.

Or maybe Scott Perry just loves Scroeder/Fournier. That's probably it.
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Post#1523 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:37 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Knicks fans so battered no free agents come they are justifying building a foundation around Randle/Fournier/Schroeder as the 3 highest paid players on the team. Not one has proven to be a #2 option in the NBa let alone a #1 option.


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Post#1524 » by god shammgod » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:37 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Wonder how legit those Rose rumors are? Surprised if he doesn’t come back


supposedly chicago wants him. playing at home might be his first priority.
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Post#1525 » by 2010 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:37 pm

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2010 wrote:I’d actually prefer Founer + Robinson over Fournier + Shröder.


Who plays PG?
It's not going to be Vildoza + McBride.
I guess there could be a vet stop gap


Figure that out after the FA dust settles via trade. Or sign a PG on a value deal after the FA market dries up and see who slips through the cracks. But adding Fournier + Robinson at least the floor would be spread for Randle to go to work. So worst case scenario he’d remain your de facto PG / Point Forward.

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Post#1526 » by F N 11 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:38 pm

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Read on Twitter


NBC Sports breaking news on Knicks players and Begley quoting them and giving reactionary editorials.

My god our reporters are H A C K S man! :lol:

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Post#1527 » by F N 11 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:38 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Wonder how legit those Rose rumors are? Surprised if he doesn’t come back


supposedly chicago wants him. playing at home might be his first priority.

He’s big on family
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Post#1528 » by El Poochio » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:38 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah, I mean Schroder isn’t one of my top options but he is still definitely a big upgrade

He did average 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without lebron. So there’s some potential as him as a lead guard

Would you even say he would become the best Dennis to ever play for the Knicks?

I would say he would be our best international point guard 8-)


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Post#1529 » by robillionaire » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:39 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:I didn’t realize Fournier was averaging 19.7 PPG and 3.7 APG on Orlando this year


He shot 41.3% from 3 on 6.7 attempts a game, pretty solid in that department as well
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Post#1530 » by stuporman » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:39 pm

Man CP sure has some stones to decline $44mil for one year... holy shlamoly that's alot of money for a year's work to turn down.
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Post#1531 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:40 pm

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SARGO127 wrote:But still; trading 19 for more cap just to sign Dennis and Fournier is so weak man


People still don't get it. It wasn't to create room for FA.
It was to create a cost free asset that can be put into a trade either this year or next year.
Once you pick, a) The player is defined and the other team that will receive the pick can't pick their own guy and b) The asset how has a cap hit, not matter how small. Not for the KNICKS but for the other team.


Yes, this. I thought we got terrible value on every trade we made but I also understand that the long game is to acquire picks because they are worth more than players in blockbuster deals. And I also agree with that plan… if that Charlotte pick is packaged for Dame I won’t even remember the original trade on draft night.

I only come here for draft, FA and trade deadline and I can’t handle it… how have you been doing this for damn near two decades?! Props old timer, props


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Post#1532 » by F N 11 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:40 pm

Norman Powell, don’t forget. We were also linked to Oladipo.
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Post#1533 » by Fury » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:40 pm

They prob look at Schroeder as someone who can give you a Rose type of game without the mileage and if Rose comes back, so they wouldn’t have to play him 48 mins a game
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Post#1534 » by El Poochio » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:40 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
2010 wrote:I’d actually prefer Founer + Robinson over Fournier + Shröder.


Who plays PG?
It's not going to be Vildoza + McBride.
I guess there could be a vet stop gap


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Post#1535 » by TheGreenArrow » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:41 pm

Schroeder/McBride/vildoza
Rj/IQ
Fournier /Grimes
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Taj

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Post#1536 » by 2010 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:43 pm

F N 11 wrote:Norman Powell, don’t forget. We were also linked to Oladipo.


Why tf aren’t we targeting Norman Powell and Lonzo Ball? Both can shoot and defend while still having some further breakout upside while being known as good dudes in the locker room and team concept.

But nah, we want to throw a bag at Silver Spoons. :nonono:
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Post#1537 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:43 pm

Starting lineup next year

Dennis Schroeder
Evan Fournier
Carmelo Anthony
Julius Randle
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Post#1538 » by god shammgod » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:43 pm

Read on Twitter


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Post#1539 » by El Poochio » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:44 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:Schroeder/McBride/vildoza
Rj/IQ
Fournier /Grimes
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Taj

Pleasssssseeeeee welcome your 2021/22 Orlando magic!!!!!!!


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Post#1540 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:44 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
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Unproven rookie

You know better


Yeah we are just gonna roll into next season telling Thibs to start a second round draft pick at PG after we cleared up 60M in cap space for no reason


Then don't sell the fans a dream you can't deliver. If we are shopping at target so be it. But don't sell us this CAA direction that we are shopping on Saks 5th.

If your goal is to just maintain playoff basketball with zero upside I can't be down with that.

It's a star driven league. Either get me a star or find the best avenue to do it. Again Steve Mills could do this. He was just fired for this 2 years ago.


So, did they sell that, or did we all sell ourselves?

I mean, yeah, Rose is here to close it out like Mills couldn't. I get that.
But what they've SAID is "We are going to build it right and not skip steps"

Just pointing that out.

I think we know that they will skip steps and sign some star who isn't a star, though. :D
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