MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.3

[Seabass777]

Let me just say this...
Miami has a path where they could go into the next 3 playoffs with a starting lineup of Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, DeRozan and Bam, that's a complete lineup of some all-stars and some fringe all-star talent. Without a top 5 guy, this is about as good as you can get, you have a whole starting 5 that can defend, be able to switch everyone and be in good shape, create their own shot and create for others, there is a lack of 3pt shooters but Lowry shot 40% from 3pt range last year and hopefully Butler and Oladipo can work on their 3s to be solid on open 3s. You can also sprinkle in 3pt shooters from the bench. All of this and possibly retaining Herro for the bench... that's a great amount of talent for a roster.

How many teams have enough defense to stop every single starter of Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, DeRozan and Bam, most of the time the top 1 or 2 defenders are on them, in this situation 3 of them would have the 3rd, 4th or 5th best defenders on them for a huge mismatch. Just sprinkle some defenders and 3pt shooters with them off the bench and that team is a strong contender.

On retaining Oladipo, you sign him to a 1+1, either party declines next year's option and Miami has his Bird rights and can pay him while going into the tax if you want.

All that and it may be possible to add R.Gay.

Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, DeRozan, Bam, Herro and Gay... and probably Vincent, Strus and KZ.

Go all in!

I love it, let's add Boby Portis to the mix, we need a thug on the low block

[Jinsaryko]

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[carnageta]

Just waiting for us to sign Justise Winslow as our new center.

Do it Spo. I know you want to.

[AirP.]

I'm sure I'm off by some but roughly looking at the numbers for a Lowry, Oladipo Butler, DeRozan, Bam lineup with Herro, Gay, Strus, Vincent bench...

Hard Cap - 143
14 man roster

S&T Dragic, Precious, draft asset for Lowry at 26 mil x 3 years
Lowry, Butler, Bam = 90 million.
S&T Robinson to SA for S&T DeRozan ~25 mil(maybe he gives a bigger discount)
115 mil 4 players.
10 more players for 28 million.

Add Strus, Vincent at ~2 mil per year
8 more players needed 24 mil
3 undrafted players for 1 mil a year.
5 more players for 21 mil.
Herro at 4 mil
4 more players at 16
KZ at 1.8
3 more at just over 14
UD at minimum but cap hit 1.7
2 more at 12.3
Oladipo at 2 year 10 mil player option(decline and resign next year with no hard cap).
2.3 left, vet min with 7 or less years experience.
0 - no wiggle room

There are places to adjust money like with DeRozan, Oladipo and at a lesser extent Strus and Vincent.

[HeatIn5]

the more I think about it, the more I don't see how Derozan makes sense other than nostalgia for Lowry and the cool name.

A real stretch 4/5 makes so much more sense

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I dunno I just can't see DD -- off arguably the best season of his career and very much still in his prime -- taking about half his market value in order to reunite with Lowry and have an outside shot at the Finals. We're talking about leaving upwards of $10+ mil on the table, and 32yo former allstars coming off career seasons typically don't go that route lol. So I think the MLE is out and we'd have to figure out a S&T to get him

[BenoUdrihFTL]

the more I think about it, the more I don't see how Derozan makes sense other than nostalgia for Lowry and the cool name.

A real stretch 4/5 makes so much more sense

Yeah I don't like the idea of DD inserted into the starting lineup with Butler/Lowry/Bam, not only because he doesn't shoot 3s but also because he does his damage on the ball and I just don't see much usage going his way when he's sharing the floor with our 3 best players

However I do think there's an easy path to 30mpg with DD being able to play multiple positions 1-4 coming off the bench. And a big plus to that is "hiding" him defensively by having him spend a big chunk of his defensive possessions vs opponents' bench players. But DD off the bench is also one more thing you'd have to sell him on in addition to him likely leaving money on the table to get here

[Variable-X]

I'm sure I'm off by some but roughly looking at the numbers for a Lowry, Oladipo Butler, DeRozan, Bam lineup with Herro, Gay, Strus, Vincent bench...

Hard Cap - 143
14 man roster

S&T Dragic, Precious, draft asset for Lowry at 26 mil x 3 years
Lowry, Butler, Bam = 90 million.
S&T Robinson to SA for S&T DeRozan ~25 mil(maybe he gives a bigger discount)
115 mil 4 players.
10 more players for 28 million.

Add Strus, Vincent at ~2 mil per year
8 more players needed 24 mil
3 undrafted players for 1 mil a year.
5 more players for 21 mil.
Herro at 4 mil
4 more players at 16
KZ at 1.8
3 more at just over 14
UD at minimum but cap hit 1.7
2 more at 12.3
Oladipo at 2 year 10 mil player option(decline and resign next year with no hard cap).
2.3 left, vet min with 7 or less years experience.
0 - no wiggle room

There are places to adjust money like with DeRozan, Oladipo and at a lesser extent Strus and Vincent.

While I like the breakdown, can we rework this without Dipo and keeping Robinson? Also why are we giving UD (who is the man and no disrespect is intended towards) a roster spot that we could throw another undrafted big at to see if something of future value develops? I am not opposed to bringing Dipo back, but would prefer not to if the cost is Robinson.

[DayofMourning]

Any big men on the horizon? After a handful of undrafted guards and rumors laden with guards or wings, I'm starting to wonder what we plan on doing with our deficit down low.

[MiamiSun]

I'm sure I'm off by some but roughly looking at the numbers for a Lowry, Oladipo Butler, DeRozan, Bam lineup with Herro, Gay, Strus, Vincent bench...

Hard Cap - 143
14 man roster

S&T Dragic, Precious, draft asset for Lowry at 26 mil x 3 years
Lowry, Butler, Bam = 90 million.
S&T Robinson to SA for S&T DeRozan ~25 mil(maybe he gives a bigger discount)
115 mil 4 players.
10 more players for 28 million.

Add Strus, Vincent at ~2 mil per year
8 more players needed 24 mil
3 undrafted players for 1 mil a year.
5 more players for 21 mil.
Herro at 4 mil
4 more players at 16
KZ at 1.8
3 more at just over 14
UD at minimum but cap hit 1.7
2 more at 12.3
Oladipo at 2 year 10 mil player option(decline and resign next year with no hard cap).
2.3 left, vet min with 7 or less years experience.
0 - no wiggle room

There are places to adjust money like with DeRozan, Oladipo and at a lesser extent Strus and Vincent.

While I like the breakdown, can we rework this without Dipo and keeping Robinson? Also why are we giving UD (who is the man and no disrespect is intended towards) a roster spot that we could throw another undrafted big at to see if something of future value develops? I am not opposed to bringing Dipo back, but would prefer not to if the cost is Robinson.

Let's make this clear, UD is not taking up a roster spot that could go to somebody else (young big). You have the entire G- League team for that.

My only question is, how many players are you allowed at practice? Do the Heat have a practice squad that they play against or is it just the roster and that's it?

The reason I ask is because I have always thought that we need a 7 footer on the roster for the team to practice against. This way when they are in games against legit 7 foot bigs they already have plenty of practice against them. If they have a proactive squad with some 7 footers on it then I guess makes this mute.

[IceColdCubano]

Any big men on the horizon? After a handful of undrafted guards and rumors laden with guards or wings, I'm starting to wonder what we plan on doing with our deficit down low.

What deficit? I see none!!! We don't need no stinking center or Power Forward.
Give me more guards and wings, we cannot due without more of them....

[Flash4thewin]

I'm sure I'm off by some but roughly looking at the numbers for a Lowry, Oladipo Butler, DeRozan, Bam lineup with Herro, Gay, Strus, Vincent bench...

Hard Cap - 143
14 man roster

S&T Dragic, Precious, draft asset for Lowry at 26 mil x 3 years
Lowry, Butler, Bam = 90 million.
S&T Robinson to SA for S&T DeRozan ~25 mil(maybe he gives a bigger discount)
115 mil 4 players.
10 more players for 28 million.

Add Strus, Vincent at ~2 mil per year
8 more players needed 24 mil
3 undrafted players for 1 mil a year.
5 more players for 21 mil.
Herro at 4 mil
4 more players at 16
KZ at 1.8
3 more at just over 14
UD at minimum but cap hit 1.7
2 more at 12.3
Oladipo at 2 year 10 mil player option(decline and resign next year with no hard cap).
2.3 left, vet min with 7 or less years experience.
0 - no wiggle room

There are places to adjust money like with DeRozan, Oladipo and at a lesser extent Strus and Vincent.

While I like the breakdown, can we rework this without Dipo and keeping Robinson? Also why are we giving UD (who is the man and no disrespect is intended towards) a roster spot that we could throw another undrafted big at to see if something of future value develops? I am not opposed to bringing Dipo back, but would prefer not to if the cost is Robinson.

UD knows where the bodies are buried and I’m sure has recorded evidence of our transactions that would get us a fine that would pale in comparison to what the league hit the Wolves with. So we honor our agreement to replay our debt to him. If that means UD is on the team when he’s 50 so be it. UD is no fool.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Any big men on the horizon? After a handful of undrafted guards and rumors laden with guards or wings, I'm starting to wonder what we plan on doing with our deficit down low.

Get used to seeing Micah Potter

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[AirP.]

I'm sure I'm off by some but roughly looking at the numbers for a Lowry, Oladipo Butler, DeRozan, Bam lineup with Herro, Gay, Strus, Vincent bench...

Hard Cap - 143
14 man roster

S&T Dragic, Precious, draft asset for Lowry at 26 mil x 3 years
Lowry, Butler, Bam = 90 million.
S&T Robinson to SA for S&T DeRozan ~25 mil(maybe he gives a bigger discount)
115 mil 4 players.
10 more players for 28 million.

Add Strus, Vincent at ~2 mil per year
8 more players needed 24 mil
3 undrafted players for 1 mil a year.
5 more players for 21 mil.
Herro at 4 mil
4 more players at 16
KZ at 1.8
3 more at just over 14
UD at minimum but cap hit 1.7
2 more at 12.3
Oladipo at 2 year 10 mil player option(decline and resign next year with no hard cap).
2.3 left, vet min with 7 or less years experience.
0 - no wiggle room

There are places to adjust money like with DeRozan, Oladipo and at a lesser extent Strus and Vincent.

While I like the breakdown, can we rework this without Dipo and keeping Robinson? Also why are we giving UD (who is the man and no disrespect is intended towards) a roster spot that we could throw another undrafted big at to see if something of future value develops? I am not opposed to bringing Dipo back, but would prefer not to if the cost is Robinson.

Where's the money coming from you're going to have to send out to get a S&T of DeRozan with decent money? Nunn? Even if that's possible then you probably aren't keeping Oladipo and you probably can't get Gay, may have to send Herro out for nothing.

I personally can't understand why someone who makes a very efficient 13ppg and does nothing else is worth this much money and blocks adding much better all around players. Just having Butler out exposed how much talent this team really had, they looked to be one of the worst teams in the league yet Miami wants to give Robinson nearly 20 mil a year, it's just crazy to me.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Omer Yurtseven and Micah Potter will most likely be on the team next year on two ways.

[EMC5466]

Marc Stein says the Heat are likely to retain Duncan Robinson. They’re also trying to work out a trade for Demar without surrendering Herro.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Marc Stein says the Heat are likely to retain Duncan Robinson. They’re also trying to work out a trade for Demar without surrendering Herro.

That's only accomplished by a S&T with Kendrick Nunn. Maybe we also toss them KZ

[Jinsaryko]

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/free-agency-almost-and-already-underway

Miami’s Jimmy Butler ($182 million over four years) will also be getting a mammoth extension as part of the Heat’s frenzy of moves, and Philadelphia’s Joel Embiid ($191 million over four years) is extension-eligible, too.

The Heat, I’m told, are likewise strong favorites to re-sign restricted free agent sharpshooter Duncan Robinson with or without the addition of DeRozan and are believed to be attempting to make all of these moves without surrendering Tyler Herro via trade. Longtime Heat executive Andy Elisburg, regarded as one of the league’s foremost salary-cap savants, will only add to his legend if Miami can get all that done.