2021-22 regular season thread

[JonFromVA]

I don't get this:

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That's the type of dumb move a dumb organization makes.

They'd just better be signing Allen.

[LivingLegend]

I don't get this:

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That's the type of dumb move a dumb organization makes.

They'd just better be signing Allen.

They have Mobley with the #3 pick, Allen about to get a huge deal, Love on his dumb contract and Nance who already got paid.

I dont really think the Cavs are looking to pay a 5th big man who the majority of us didnt know existed before he was traded to the Cavs last year.

[jbk1234]

That's the type of dumb move a dumb organization makes.

They'd just better be signing Allen.

They have Mobley with the #3 pick, Allen about to get a huge deal, Love on his dumb contract and Nance who already got paid.

I dont really think the Cavs are looking to pay a 5th big man who the majority of us didnt know existed before he was traded to the Cavs last year.

The Cavs are better off viewing Love as dead money who is six months away from a buyout. Any outcome better than that is gravy, but they really shouldn't be relying on him to provide minutes at this point. If Mobley does blossom as a 4, Nance is on a very affordable backup deal. They'll still need a backup center. I think Hartenstein's Q.O. was $2M? I just don't know that giving up matching rights so we have the full MLE to offer to some of the names I'm hearing is a great plan.

[LivingLegend]

They'd just better be signing Allen.

They have Mobley with the #3 pick, Allen about to get a huge deal, Love on his dumb contract and Nance who already got paid.

I dont really think the Cavs are looking to pay a 5th big man who the majority of us didnt know existed before he was traded to the Cavs last year.

The Cavs are better off viewing Love as dead money who is six months away from a buyout. Any outcome better than that is gravy, but they really shouldn't be relying on him to provide minutes at this point. If Mobley does blossom as a 4, Nance is on a very affordable backup deal. They'll still need a backup center. I think Hartenstein's Q.O. was $2M? I just don't know that giving up matching rights so we have the full MLE to offer to some of the names I'm hearing is a great plan.

They need a backup C, but just like Hartenstein they can grab any other project big off the scrap heap. Also though with that GIANT, grand canyon-esq crater of a gap at the SF position on this team--Im glad the Cavs kept the full MLE to try and address that.

I want Joe Ingles, I want Dougie Buckets, I want Bojan Bogdonovic. The Cavs get any one of those 3 and it would be 10x more important to the roster next year than any contribution from Hartenstein.

[KuruptedCav]

They'd just better be signing Allen.

They have Mobley with the #3 pick, Allen about to get a huge deal, Love on his dumb contract and Nance who already got paid.

I dont really think the Cavs are looking to pay a 5th big man who the majority of us didnt know existed before he was traded to the Cavs last year.

The Cavs are better off viewing Love as dead money who is six months away from a buyout. Any outcome better than that is gravy, but they really shouldn't be relying on him to provide minutes at this point. If Mobley does blossom as a 4, Nance is on a very affordable backup deal. They'll still need a backup center. I think Hartenstein's Q.O. was $2M? I just don't know that giving up matching rights so we have the full MLE to offer to some of the names I'm hearing is a great plan.

Hartenstein is a fine traditional center. But, with Allen, Mobley, Nance Jr. maybe a back to the basket center is not what they wanted from a roster construction stand-point.

And sure, they could have extended the QO and had matching right; but if they have no intention of signing him, why limit his market? He played hard, the team did right by him, he now has his best chance to latch with his next team.


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[LivingLegend]

They have Mobley with the #3 pick, Allen about to get a huge deal, Love on his dumb contract and Nance who already got paid.

I dont really think the Cavs are looking to pay a 5th big man who the majority of us didnt know existed before he was traded to the Cavs last year.

The Cavs are better off viewing Love as dead money who is six months away from a buyout. Any outcome better than that is gravy, but they really shouldn't be relying on him to provide minutes at this point. If Mobley does blossom as a 4, Nance is on a very affordable backup deal. They'll still need a backup center. I think Hartenstein's Q.O. was $2M? I just don't know that giving up matching rights so we have the full MLE to offer to some of the names I'm hearing is a great plan.

Hartenstein is a fine traditional center. But, with Allen, Mobley, Nance Jr. maybe a back to the basket center is not what they wanted from a roster construction stand-point.

And sure, they could have extended the QO and had matching right; but if they have no intention of signing him, why limit his market? He played hard, the team did right by him, he now has his best chance to latch with his next team.


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I dont know who this is but it has me half chubbed at what any of this could mean.

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[jbk1234]

The Cavs are better off viewing Love as dead money who is six months away from a buyout. Any outcome better than that is gravy, but they really shouldn't be relying on him to provide minutes at this point. If Mobley does blossom as a 4, Nance is on a very affordable backup deal. They'll still need a backup center. I think Hartenstein's Q.O. was $2M? I just don't know that giving up matching rights so we have the full MLE to offer to some of the names I'm hearing is a great plan.

Hartenstein is a fine traditional center. But, with Allen, Mobley, Nance Jr. maybe a back to the basket center is not what they wanted from a roster construction stand-point.

And sure, they could have extended the QO and had matching right; but if they have no intention of signing him, why limit his market? He played hard, the team did right by him, he now has his best chance to latch with his next team.


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I dont know who this is but it has me half chubbed at what any of this could mean.

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Pretty sure that's fake. Low follower count and a broken link to her website.

[LivingLegend]

Hartenstein is a fine traditional center. But, with Allen, Mobley, Nance Jr. maybe a back to the basket center is not what they wanted from a roster construction stand-point.

And sure, they could have extended the QO and had matching right; but if they have no intention of signing him, why limit his market? He played hard, the team did right by him, he now has his best chance to latch with his next team.


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I dont know who this is but it has me half chubbed at what any of this could mean.

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Pretty sure that's fake. Low follower count and a broken link to her website.

lol true. I was expecting "Cavs looking to make big moves for a playoff run"

**Fast forward 8 hours**

Breaking: Cavs sign Doug McDermott to a 4 yr 70m deal

[jbk1234]

I dont know who this is but it has me half chubbed at what any of this could mean.

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Pretty sure that's fake. Low follower count and a broken link to her website.

lol true. I was expecting "Cavs looking to make big moves for a playoff run"

**Fast forward 8 hours**

Breaking: Cavs sign Doug McDermott to a 4 yr 70m deal

If nothing else, Love's contract saves us from doing stuff like that.

[JonFromVA]

They have Mobley with the #3 pick, Allen about to get a huge deal, Love on his dumb contract and Nance who already got paid.

I dont really think the Cavs are looking to pay a 5th big man who the majority of us didnt know existed before he was traded to the Cavs last year.

The Cavs are better off viewing Love as dead money who is six months away from a buyout. Any outcome better than that is gravy, but they really shouldn't be relying on him to provide minutes at this point. If Mobley does blossom as a 4, Nance is on a very affordable backup deal. They'll still need a backup center. I think Hartenstein's Q.O. was $2M? I just don't know that giving up matching rights so we have the full MLE to offer to some of the names I'm hearing is a great plan.

Hartenstein is a fine traditional center. But, with Allen, Mobley, Nance Jr. maybe a back to the basket center is not what they wanted from a roster construction stand-point.

And sure, they could have extended the QO and had matching right; but if they have no intention of signing him, why limit his market? He played hard, the team did right by him, he now has his best chance to latch with his next team.

Let me put it succinctly:

a) We don't want to lose out on a free-agent just because we have $2M tied up that we didn't need to tie up ... it's hard enough convincing people to sign in Cleveland;

b) If it turns out there is no market for IH, we could bring him back with one of the other various exceptions;

c) Kabengele is already cheap and on the roster as a press-in-case-of-emergency backup;

d) It's possible Mobley just isn't ready to start at PF, and the Cavs decide that rather than force-feeding him minutes anyway as they've done in the past they will decide to give him minutes at backup C instead.

I'm not saying (d) is likely or anything, but the Cavs have done stupider things than deciding they need to continue to start Kevin Love and pray he plays well enough to convince someone to take him off our hands. Oh, wait, that's kind of their go to move.

[JonFromVA]

And while it doesn't address our depth at C, here's another strange thought ... what if the Cavs play Mobley at SF?

If the kid has his heart set on becoming more of a KD-style player, we just might entertain the idea ... especially if the next best alternative is playing Nance at SF who really doesn't like having to stray too far from the paint.

[toooskies]

Looks like $20m/year for Allen, which is probably a fair deal...

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[JonFromVA]

Looks like $20m/year for Allen, which is probably a fair deal...

Yep, and there's a thousand ways the deal could be structured to make it even more appealing than it is at face value.

For instance, would we prefer a flat, declining, or ascending deal?

Are there any likely or unlikely bonuses attached?

What are the guarantees? If the 5th year isn't guaranteed, we may in reality have a much more affordable 4 year deal.

[Revenged25]

Looks like $20m/year for Allen, which is probably a fair deal...

Yep, and there's a thousand ways the deal could be structured to make it even more appealing than it is at face value.

For instance, would we prefer a flat, declining, or ascending deal?

Are there any likely or unlikely bonuses attached?

What are the guarantees? If the 5th year isn't guaranteed, we may in reality have a much more affordable 4 year deal.

Declining would be ideal. That way even if he doesn't progress much by the time the Cavs want to move him the salary will match his play.

[JonFromVA]

And while it doesn't address our depth at C, here's another strange thought ... what if the Cavs play Mobley at SF?

If the kid has his heart set on becoming more of a KD-style player, we just might entertain the idea ... especially if the next best alternative is playing Nance at SF who really doesn't like having to stray too far from the paint.

And just to keep this joke rolling, here's the 1v0 workout video we sorely missed during the recruiting process to help get us all hyped about Mobley's perimeter skills:

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[toooskies]

Looks like $20m/year for Allen, which is probably a fair deal...

Yep, and there's a thousand ways the deal could be structured to make it even more appealing than it is at face value.

For instance, would we prefer a flat, declining, or ascending deal?

Are there any likely or unlikely bonuses attached?

What are the guarantees? If the 5th year isn't guaranteed, we may in reality have a much more affordable 4 year deal.

Declining would be ideal. That way even if he doesn't progress much by the time the Cavs want to move him the salary will match his play.

ascending = win now
declining = win later
flat = win now and later

I'm guessing flat, although theymay focus the cap hit early to align with the pressure Love's contract puts on us.

[Revenged25]

Yep, and there's a thousand ways the deal could be structured to make it even more appealing than it is at face value.

For instance, would we prefer a flat, declining, or ascending deal?

Are there any likely or unlikely bonuses attached?

What are the guarantees? If the 5th year isn't guaranteed, we may in reality have a much more affordable 4 year deal.

Declining would be ideal. That way even if he doesn't progress much by the time the Cavs want to move him the salary will match his play.

ascending = win now
declining = win later
flat = win now and later

I'm guessing flat, although theymay focus the cap hit early to align with the pressure Love's contract puts on us.

ascending = no cap due to Love now, no cap later due to Allen + others, won't hit Luxury this season
declining = no Cap due to Love now, maybe cap in 3 years, probably hit Luxury this year and next
flat = no cap due to love Now, maybe cap in 3 years, probably won't his luxury this year

That's kind of how I see those 3

[JonFromVA]

Yep, and there's a thousand ways the deal could be structured to make it even more appealing than it is at face value.

For instance, would we prefer a flat, declining, or ascending deal?

Are there any likely or unlikely bonuses attached?

What are the guarantees? If the 5th year isn't guaranteed, we may in reality have a much more affordable 4 year deal.

Declining would be ideal. That way even if he doesn't progress much by the time the Cavs want to move him the salary will match his play.

ascending = win now
declining = win later
flat = win now and later

I'm guessing flat, although theymay focus the cap hit early to align with the pressure Love's contract puts on us.

Ascending is the norm because the cap traditionally increases year to year, but we have a lot of future mouths to feed and declining would be great if we can manage the luxury and repeater taxes so we can still spend in free-agency if the opportunity is there.

Meaning Gilbert might be crazy enough to let Altman drive the Cavs in to the luxury tax this season if doing so means keeping players on tradable deals and staying out of the repeater tax in the future.

With any luck, the deal signals Sexton to start talking about a more reasonable deal. If these guys want to build something together, some of them had better be willing to compromise on salary.

[LivingLegend]

And while it doesn't address our depth at C, here's another strange thought ... what if the Cavs play Mobley at SF?

If the kid has his heart set on becoming more of a KD-style player, we just might entertain the idea ... especially if the next best alternative is playing Nance at SF who really doesn't like having to stray too far from the paint.

And just to keep this joke rolling, here's the 1v0 workout video we sorely missed during the recruiting process to help get us all hyped about Mobley's perimeter skills:

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This is a serious question. Do you think there is anyway Mobley could turn into a KD/Giannis type of player once his body matures or does he not have that type of athletisism/quicks more in the mold of Davis/Bosh.

[JonFromVA]

And while it doesn't address our depth at C, here's another strange thought ... what if the Cavs play Mobley at SF?

If the kid has his heart set on becoming more of a KD-style player, we just might entertain the idea ... especially if the next best alternative is playing Nance at SF who really doesn't like having to stray too far from the paint.

And just to keep this joke rolling, here's the 1v0 workout video we sorely missed during the recruiting process to help get us all hyped about Mobley's perimeter skills:

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This is a serious question. Do you think there is anyway Mobley could turn into a KD/Giannis type of player once his body matures or does he not have that type of athletisism/quicks more in the mold of Davis/Bosh.

No clue, I just know it's been teased that Mobley has played a lot more like a wing up until USC when they planted him in the paint with his brother presumably to work on his big man skills.

And if they didn't like the idea of him trying to chase little guys through screens, he's so long, they might be able to devise a scheme so he could hang back and still contest shots.

If he's still just 215 (and we can't even be sure about that) that's exactly what Durant weighed at the combine and the Thunder had him playing SG to avoid physical SF's ... and Durant was probably 2" shorter.

I'm just hoping he's cleared to play in Summer League.