2021-22 regular season thread

[JonFromVA]

Does it change your thought process to know that Non-bird rights allowed the Cavs to extend the QO without chewing up one cent of the MLE?

They can extend an offer of 120% to any player and up to the QO of a restricted free agent that is in the roster at the end of the season.


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I'd heard we were right up against it ... which implies we'd have to release our cap hold to use the MLE.

But as far as I know, we can do that instantly.

So who knows... we can only guess the Cavs motivation until they actually spend the cap space. If IH was a wing maybe someone would have sent us a 1st just to S&T him ....

Still some free agents worth considering. Not sure what Otto Porter can still do, but what he used to be would be a nice fit.

Heard he was heavily linked to the Nets. I would pret to see if Oubre would take the MLE and try to regain his Suns form. Might be a gamble worth taking.

No knuckleheads policy (give or take reformed ones like McGee].

[jbk1234]

Kevin Love's 2yrs remaining at $30m per season is the gift that keeps on giving to a guy that looks to get hurt and says I can't play because I'm not healthy and also won't get in playing shape.

Other teams are throwing around unreal sums of money like Halloween candy to players that are not worth it. At least the Cavs will have Allen & Mobley for about 5 years together to build a Championship Team. Free agency is often fools gold.

Yeah it seems weird how everybody is throwing around mega money and the Cavs, who suck and have 1/2 their roster in rookie deals are somehow broke.

We could afford 3 Max players with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love + many veterans but just because we have Kevin Love sucking cap space we are tapped out?

The financials still dont line up for me. I understand the Cavs have 1 big bad contract, but where is all of this other money tied up at. Does Jarrett Allen's non contract combined with Love really screw the Cavs that hard?

The rule is that once you're over the cap, you stay over the cap and use the exceptions. A lot of the wings we targeted signed for less than market (read exception room) to sign with playoff teams. Some of those teams will be able to sign their FAs in a certain order to use both their cap space and the exceptions. Once you're in the tax, you play with TPEs, which you actually spend draft capital to create.

But, when I look at the Spurs, OKC, and Pistons, I see why we never attached an asset, of any kind, to move Love.



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[LivingLegend]

I'd heard we were right up against it ... which implies we'd have to release our cap hold to use the MLE.

But as far as I know, we can do that instantly.

So who knows... we can only guess the Cavs motivation until they actually spend the cap space. If IH was a wing maybe someone would have sent us a 1st just to S&T him ....

Still some free agents worth considering. Not sure what Otto Porter can still do, but what he used to be would be a nice fit.

Heard he was heavily linked to the Nets. I would pret to see if Oubre would take the MLE and try to regain his Suns form. Might be a gamble worth taking.

No knuckleheads policy (give or take reformed ones like McGee].

Fair. I'll then be championing Joe Ingles for the rest of free agency.

[jbk1234]

A guy like Torrey Craig signed in Indiana for 5m per year. That would have been a really nice piece for the Cavs to go after, but uhhhh I think they are still drinking champagne from the Allen signing.

Is THT still available? Kelly Oubre wouldn't be bad either or maybe Ingles. Not sure how to available those 3 are but that looks like the best 3 out there that could be had.

I truly think THT could thrive with a more prominent role but he doesbt fit the ' we need veterans' narrative. I also think a second unit of Rubio, Ingles, Love and Nance would be fantastic.

I think the team that was dead last in made three points needs more three point shooters. Opposing teams can't just pass on a film session and decide to play zone against us.

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Hoping for Danny Green, but he ends up back in Philly most likely.

He's washed. I'd pass outside a league minimum deal.

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[jbk1234]

Heard he was heavily linked to the Nets. I would pret to see if Oubre would take the MLE and try to regain his Suns form. Might be a gamble worth taking.

No knuckleheads policy (give or take reformed ones like McGee].

Fair. I'll then be championing Joe Ingles for the rest of free agency.

He's not a free agent. He is on the block though.

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[LivingLegend]

Kevin Love's 2yrs remaining at $30m per season is the gift that keeps on giving to a guy that looks to get hurt and says I can't play because I'm not healthy and also won't get in playing shape.

Other teams are throwing around unreal sums of money like Halloween candy to players that are not worth it. At least the Cavs will have Allen & Mobley for about 5 years together to build a Championship Team. Free agency is often fools gold.

Yeah it seems weird how everybody is throwing around mega money and the Cavs, who suck and have 1/2 their roster in rookie deals are somehow broke.

We could afford 3 Max players with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love + many veterans but just because we have Kevin Love sucking cap space we are tapped out?

The financials still dont line up for me. I understand the Cavs have 1 big bad contract, but where is all of this other money tied up at. Does Jarrett Allen's non contract combined with Love really screw the Cavs that hard?

The rule is that once you're over the cap, you stay over the cap and use the exceptions. A lot of the wings we targeted signed for less than market (read exception room) to sign with playoff teams. Some of those teams will be able to sign their FAs in a certain order to use both their cap space and the exceptions. Once you're in the tax, you play with TPEs, which you actually spend draft capital to create.

But, when I look at the Spurs, OKC, and Pistons, I see why we never attached an asset, of any kind, to move Love.



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So how does a team like Chicago who has 2 big contracts with Lavine/Vucivic + other 10m veterans go out and sign Caruso and Ball?

I know the Cavs are capped out but my brain just doesn't compute looking at the roster and seeing where they are even spending money besides Love.

[LivingLegend]

No knuckleheads policy (give or take reformed ones like McGee].

Fair. I'll then be championing Joe Ingles for the rest of free agency.

He's not a free agent. He is on the block though.

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Yeah and Utah is looking to dump. Toss a 2067 2nd rounder at them and he's ours

[jbk1234]

Fair. I'll then be championing Joe Ingles for the rest of free agency.

He's not a free agent. He is on the block though.

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Yeah and Utah is looking to dump. Toss a 2067 2nd rounder at them and he's ours

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[LivingLegend]

He's not a free agent. He is on the block though.

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Yeah and Utah is looking to dump. Toss a 2067 2nd rounder at them and he's ours

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Wonder who he's referring to specifically? Who are all of these wings on the trade market that make it robust? It sure as hell isn't 33 year old Joe Ingles lol

I've been vocal about it before, the Cavs 2022 1st is the biggest asset they have. If we can land a real, good, legit SF for out 22 first---do it. Bet on yourself that pick will not be lotto and do it. We don't t need to add another 19 year old next year.

[jbk1234]

Yeah it seems weird how everybody is throwing around mega money and the Cavs, who suck and have 1/2 their roster in rookie deals are somehow broke.

We could afford 3 Max players with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love + many veterans but just because we have Kevin Love sucking cap space we are tapped out?

The financials still dont line up for me. I understand the Cavs have 1 big bad contract, but where is all of this other money tied up at. Does Jarrett Allen's non contract combined with Love really screw the Cavs that hard?

The rule is that once you're over the cap, you stay over the cap and use the exceptions. A lot of the wings we targeted signed for less than market (read exception room) to sign with playoff teams. Some of those teams will be able to sign their FAs in a certain order to use both their cap space and the exceptions. Once you're in the tax, you play with TPEs, which you actually spend draft capital to create.

But, when I look at the Spurs, OKC, and Pistons, I see why we never attached an asset, of any kind, to move Love.



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So how does a team like Chicago who has 2 big contracts with Lavine/Vucivic + other 10m veterans go out and sign Caruso and Ball?

I know the Cavs are capped out but my brain just doesn't compute looking at the roster and seeing where they are even spending money besides Love.

The Bulls had cap space and I don't know if they have a Sato trade lined up, but Ball was reportedly a S&T.

Love is $31M, Allen is $20M, and Rubio is like $18M. Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Mobley add up to almost 35. Now include Nance, Cedi, and roster holds.

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[jbk1234]

Yeah and Utah is looking to dump. Toss a 2067 2nd rounder at them and he's ours

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Wonder who he's referring to specifically? Who are all of these wings on the trade market that make it robust? It sure as hell isn't 33 year old Joe Ingles lol

I've been vocal about it before, the Cavs 2022 1st is the biggest asset they have. If we can land a real, good, legit SF for out 22 first---do it. Bet on yourself that pick will not be lotto and do it. We don't t need to add another 19 year old next year.

We have a good the Rockets 2nd we could trade for Ingles, but yeah, I've got zero interest in swapping any 1st for Ingles. Again we need 3 point shooting and it really doesn't matter who is starting at the 2 for that to be the case.

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[LivingLegend]

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Wonder who he's referring to specifically? Who are all of these wings on the trade market that make it robust? It sure as hell isn't 33 year old Joe Ingles lol

I've been vocal about it before, the Cavs 2022 1st is the biggest asset they have. If we can land a real, good, legit SF for out 22 first---do it. Bet on yourself that pick will not be lotto and do it. We don't t need to add another 19 year old next year.

We have a good the Rockets 2nd we could trade for Ingles, but yeah, I've got zero interest in swapping any 1st for Ingles. Again we need 3 point shooting and it really doesn't matter who is starting at the 2 for that to be the case.

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Is there a Jerami Grant type of player the Cavs could toss a top 3-5 protected 1st at? That's what I'm looking for.

[JonFromVA]

Wonder who he's referring to specifically? Who are all of these wings on the trade market that make it robust? It sure as hell isn't 33 year old Joe Ingles lol

I've been vocal about it before, the Cavs 2022 1st is the biggest asset they have. If we can land a real, good, legit SF for out 22 first---do it. Bet on yourself that pick will not be lotto and do it. We don't t need to add another 19 year old next year.

We have a good the Rockets 2nd we could trade for Ingles, but yeah, I've got zero interest in swapping any 1st for Ingles. Again we need 3 point shooting and it really doesn't matter who is starting at the 2 for that to be the case.

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Is there a Jerami Grant type of player the Cavs could toss a top 3-5 protected 1st at? That's what I'm looking for.

Things could get interesting with Siakim if his relationship with Nurse is irreparable.

[Harper4Ferry?]

I’m happy if we do the following things the rest of the way.
1. Don’t pick up year 4 on Windler. If it bites us, oh well. He’s never healthy. Saves 4 million
2. Don’t extend Sexton. You can always do whatever you need to next summer. His hold is only 19million.
3. Work towards a buyout with Love by the trade deadline. Stretch waive him, and that should open up a fair amount of space in 2022-23. All of these things open up about 20 million minus the 2022draft pick’s salary.

[Revenged25]

I’m happy if we do the following things the rest of the way.
1. Don’t pick up year 4 on Windler. If it bites us, oh well. He’s never healthy. Saves 4 million
2. Don’t extend Sexton. You can always do whatever you need to next summer. His hold is only 19million.
3. Work towards a buyout with Love by the trade deadline. Stretch waive him, and that should open up a fair amount of space in 2022-23. All of these things open up about 20 million minus the 2022draft pick’s salary.

If the Cavs would've traded Prince into cap space and also bought out and stretched Love this offseason they would've opened up nearly 38 mil in cap space with Allen's caphold at only 11 mil.

1. If Windler spends this season hurt like he has the past 2, I agree we shouldn't pick it up. If he stays healthy this year I think you have to pick it up even if it's just to flip him.
2. Yeah, we need to wait to extend Sexton till after the season. I think he's going to take another jump this season to show he deserves a max extension, even if it's 95% due to his scoring, so whether we extend him during the season or after FA starts doesn't matter much. Plus if he knows he's getting the max anyways I don't see why he wouldn't be willing to wait to let the ink dry.
3. I'm still on the buyout & waive Love train as well. Just doesn't do anything and at this point I'd rather have a G-Leaguer taking up his spot on the roster than a disgruntled vet that might cause more issues in the locker room.
4. I'd also want to try and rehab Osman's value to ship him off for an expiring contract.

[jbk1234]

We have a good the Rockets 2nd we could trade for Ingles, but yeah, I've got zero interest in swapping any 1st for Ingles. Again we need 3 point shooting and it really doesn't matter who is starting at the 2 for that to be the case.

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Is there a Jerami Grant type of player the Cavs could toss a top 3-5 protected 1st at? That's what I'm looking for.

Things could get interesting with Siakim if his relationship with Nurse is irreparable.

Why are we talking about trading for expensive PFs? It's our deepest position. We need 2s and 3s who can shoot from the outside.

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[Revenged25]

Is there a Jerami Grant type of player the Cavs could toss a top 3-5 protected 1st at? That's what I'm looking for.

Things could get interesting with Siakim if his relationship with Nurse is irreparable.

Why are we talking about trading for expensive PFs? It's our deepest position. We need 2s and 3s who can shoot from the outside.

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Yeah Siakam makes no sense. Though really we've got arguably 2 good options at SG with Sexton and Okoro but only 1 good option at SF in Okoro. So at minimum we need a quality SF. Unless of course they think Siakam can play SF... I don't think he can, but I mean can't make our spacing any worse than it was last year...

[jbk1234]

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[jbk1234]

Things could get interesting with Siakim if his relationship with Nurse is irreparable.

Why are we talking about trading for expensive PFs? It's our deepest position. We need 2s and 3s who can shoot from the outside.

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Yeah Siakam makes no sense. Though really we've got arguably 2 good options at SG with Sexton and Okoro but only 1 good option at SF in Okoro. So at minimum we need a quality SF. Unless of course they think Siakam can play SF... I don't think he can, but I mean can't make our spacing any worse than it was last year...

Our spacing is already worse than it was last season by virtue of swapping Mobley or Nance, for Love, and Rubio for Prince off the bench.

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[Revenged25]

He finished with 38 which was the game high.