Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

Post #141 » by **Knightro** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:10 am

PrimeThyme wrote:
Knightro wrote:Would you guys do Terrence Ross to Cleveland for Cedi Osman?

Not unless a Pick was coming back, which doesn't make sense for Cle. I just don't have an interest in a 26-year-old Osman. The move with Ross to me is to inflate his value and move him to a contender for a 1st at the deadline.

Not sure that's happening.

Maybe Ross to Philly for George Hill's expiring (buy him out) one of Paul Reed or Isaiah Joe and their 2022 1st?

Post #142 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:16 am

Read on Twitter

YosemiteSam · Post #143 » by **YosemiteSam** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:16 am

I’ve spent the entire day worried Shams or Woj would pop up on Twitter with another disastrous signing for the Magic like Aminu or Biyombo that we all knew immediately were bad deals. Or something useless like signing Bacon in the first hour of free agency. It has been a good day in that no news is good news.

Post #144 » by **SOUL** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:16 am

YosemiteSam wrote:I’ve spent the entire day worried Shams or Woj would pop up on Twitter with another disastrous signing for the Magic like Aminu or Biyombo that we all knew immediately were bad deals. Or something useless like signing Bacon in the first hour of free agency. It has been a good day in that no news is good news.

Jinx?!

PrimeThyme · Post #145 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:18 am

Knightro wrote:Not sure that's happening.

Maybe Ross to Philly for George Hill's expiring (buy him out) one of Paul Reed or Isaiah Joe and their 2022 1st?

I'd be targetting something like that. I think Ross has a skillset contending teams will value, && he's on a good contract with 2 year years left on it.

These types of deals get done every year at the deadline. Even a team like NYK has two firsts and could look to add someone like him at the deadline for a playoff push.

YosemiteSam · Post #146 » by **YosemiteSam** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:19 am

SOUL wrote:
YosemiteSam wrote:I’ve spent the entire day worried Shams or Woj would pop up on Twitter with another disastrous signing for the Magic like Aminu or Biyombo that we all knew immediately were bad deals. Or something useless like signing Bacon in the first hour of free agency. It has been a good day in that no news is good news.

Jinx?!

You’re right. Knock wood! There that should fix it.

Nyce_1 · Post #147 » by **Nyce_1** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:30 am

Read on Twitter

I wonder if we made a play to keep him?

Magicfanatic82 · Post #148 » by **Magicfanatic82** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:38 am

Would like to see ennis get a good deal somewhere. I'm still hoping for Milsap for us.

PrimeThyme · Post #149 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:11 am

Magicfanatic82 wrote:Would like to see ennis get a good deal somewhere. I'm still hoping for Milsap for us.

Yeah, Ennis has a bit too much life left for me. I think he can actually help a contender. I'd be targeting a more washed veteran forward who'd be willing to provide a mentorship role. Millsap would work. Patterson could be interesting.

I'd bring back Wagner as a locker room/end of bench guy.

zaymon · Post #150 » by **zaymon** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:15 am

Porter on mle would be nice value

. Oh well, i would be more dissapointed if we didnt draft Wagner. Ennis or Millsap would be great. Maybe Hood or Matthews

fendilim · Post #151 » by **fendilim** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 11:42 am

Just get someone athletic or can score at least to make next year less poignant to watch.

Nyce_1 · Post #152 » by **Nyce_1** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 11:52 am

fendilim wrote:Just get someone athletic or can score at least to make next year less poignant to watch.

someone like Bacon? :lol:

YosemiteSam · Post #153 » by **YosemiteSam** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:37 pm

What if to facilitate the Dinwiddie signing, we took Harrell and a heavily protected first into our TPE as part of a bigger Wizards/Nets/Lakers deal? He only has one year left. He might want playing time though for his next contract. I do like his tough attitude though but he is probably looking to go to a contender.

jonbob17 · Post #154 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:57 pm

Knightro wrote:Would you guys do Terrence Ross to Cleveland for Cedi Osman?

sure?

jonbob17 · Post #155 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:59 pm

Def Swami wrote:

Read on Twitter

the league minimum? jeesh...the joys of having multiple stars in the NBA and unlimited $

jonbob17 · Post #156 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 1:17 pm

Remember last year when nobody would touch Lonzo Ball, fans on the general trade board said he wasn't worth a late first now he gets 4/85, and that sounds pretty cheap. Chicago just got a lot better. They must have a plan to re-sign Lavine, not sure how that money works, but a Ball Lavine backcourt sounds like a pretty good fit.

Honestly, I hope we don't sign any free agents. Was going to suggest Jarred Vanderbilt, but he his RFA. I have a bad feeling we are going to roll dice on Justice Winslow. Fill the roster with UDFAs or trade and bring back dead weight

I guess Evan made the right decision opting in last year to get 4/78 this year...pretty, pretty, pretty good.

jonbob17 · Post #157 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 1:46 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Bigs take a while to adjust IMO. Ayton was the #1 overall pick and only really showed up this season. WCJr should be solid if the price is correct.

Ayton actually had his worst statistical year this year.

1st year - 16/10
2nd year - 18/12
3rd year - 14/10

Yes, but this was easily his best year. Both offensively and defensively. Thats why we don't use PPG as metric of how good a player is.

tiderulz · Post #158 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 1:51 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Bigs take a while to adjust IMO. Ayton was the #1 overall pick and only really showed up this season. WCJr should be solid if the price is correct.

Ayton actually had his worst statistical year this year.

1st year - 16/10
2nd year - 18/12
3rd year - 14/10

Yes, but this was easily his best year. Both offensively and defensively. Thats why we don't use PPG as metric of how good a player is.

when a team wins, for whatever reason, the player is good. when the team isnt winning, they are just stat padding. Ayton "looked" better this past year because the team had a good PG and the team won. but he rebounded more, blocked more shots, had more apg the previous year. it was just with a bad PG situation so the team didnt win as much, so not as many people saw Ayton.

jonbob17 · Post #159 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 2:06 pm

tiderulz wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Ayton actually had his worst statistical year this year.

1st year - 16/10
2nd year - 18/12
3rd year - 14/10

Yes, but this was easily his best year. Both offensively and defensively. Thats why we don't use PPG as metric of how good a player is.

when a team wins, for whatever reason, the player is good. when the team isnt winning, they are just stat padding. Ayton "looked" better this past year because the team had a good PG and the team won. but he rebounded more, blocked more shots, had more apg the previous year. it was just with a bad PG situation so the team didnt win as much, so not as many people saw Ayton.

Ayton's FG% this year was 63% vs 55% last year, that's a huge difference, one is good and one is pretty awful for a center. Was he better because Chris Paul was there? Most likely. That's the value of guys like Paul, he makes everyone better, and part of the reason a 36 year old just got 4/120

tiderulz · Post #160 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 2:08 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
Yes, but this was easily his best year. Both offensively and defensively. Thats why we don't use PPG as metric of how good a player is.

when a team wins, for whatever reason, the player is good. when the team isnt winning, they are just stat padding. Ayton "looked" better this past year because the team had a good PG and the team won. but he rebounded more, blocked more shots, had more apg the previous year. it was just with a bad PG situation so the team didnt win as much, so not as many people saw Ayton.

Ayton's FG% this year was 63% vs 55% last year, that's a huge difference, one is good and one is pretty awful for a center. Was he better because Chris Paul was there? Most likely. That's the value of guys like Paul, he makes everyone better, and part of the reason a 36 year old just got 4/120

thats a direct relation to having a good to great PG setting you up, but also spacing by defenders having to respect CP3's outside shot vs Rubio.