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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#161 » by R3AL1TY » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:01 am

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R3AL1TY wrote:I guess DeRozan is willing to take a pay cut


Doubt that...

That's the only way I see it working unless the Spurs are expecting to pay Lauri $25-28M or Thad or Coby is part of the deal. I'm even wondering if the Spurs still want Lauri since they already signed Zach Collins.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#162 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:01 am

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WindyCityBorn wrote:I don’t want Derozan. A ball dominant wing that can’t shoot. Don’t see how he fits here with LaVine and Ball.


Lmao DDR literally had one of his best yrs as a basketball player this past season. He's become one of the best, most efficient distributing forwards in the league & has moulded himself into an offensive cog that makes everyone around him better. He would literally be the perfect SF to insert into this starting lineup, that already possesses a good deal of shooting.


Budget Kawahi.. I love it, would give our starting line up a lot of balanced scoring between Transition scoring, Half Court sets and iso


So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#163 » by Lunartic » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:04 am

I hope this trade gets made, it would make the Bulls a respectable threat for 4th seed. A good coach would stagger Derozan/Lavine/Vuc so the Bulls have a 20ppg scorer on the floor at all times, pressuring defenses.


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SaNdMiRkS wrote:
Lmao DDR literally had one of his best yrs as a basketball player this past season. He's become one of the best, most efficient distributing forwards in the league & has moulded himself into an offensive cog that makes everyone around him better. He would literally be the perfect SF to insert into this starting lineup, that already possesses a good deal of shooting.


Budget Kawahi.. I love it, would give our starting line up a lot of balanced scoring between Transition scoring, Half Court sets and iso


So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.


Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#164 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:06 am

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WindyCityBorn wrote:
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Budget Kawahi.. I love it, would give our starting line up a lot of balanced scoring between Transition scoring, Half Court sets and iso


So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.


Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker


You calling him a chucker just completely invalidates your opinions.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#165 » by BullChit » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:06 am

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SaNdMiRkS wrote:
Lmao DDR literally had one of his best yrs as a basketball player this past season. He's become one of the best, most efficient distributing forwards in the league & has moulded himself into an offensive cog that makes everyone around him better. He would literally be the perfect SF to insert into this starting lineup, that already possess es a good deal of shooting.


Budget Kawahi.. I love it, would give our starting line up a lot of balanced scoring between Transition scoring, Half Court sets and iso


So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.


While I absolutely love the Lonzo signing I still think our Point Gaurd play will still be a "Distributor by committee" type of play.

Demar fits that extremely well along with Zo and Zach
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#166 » by Lunartic » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:07 am

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So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.


Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker


You calling him a chucker just completely invalidates your opinions.


"Chucker" as in "shot jacker" - he's a very high efficiency guy no question about that
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#167 » by BullChit » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:08 am

Lunartic wrote:I hope this trade gets made, it would make the Bulls a respectable threat for 4th seed. A good coach would stagger Derozan/Lavine/Vuc so the Bulls have a 20ppg scorer on the floor at all times, pressuring defenses.


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BullChit wrote:
Budget Kawahi.. I love it, would give our starting line up a lot of balanced scoring between Transition scoring, Half Court sets and iso


So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.


Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker


100% agree with the top part and 100% disagree with the second part...
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#168 » by PlayerUp » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:12 am

Lunartic wrote:
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Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker


You calling him a chucker just completely invalidates your opinions.


"Chucker" as in "shot jacker" - he's a very high efficiency guy no question about that


If he is a high efficient player then he isn't a chucker. A chucker is defined as someone who can create/dynamic, shoots in volume on poor efficiency. Zach shoots 51% FG on 42% 3PT which is tremendous efficiency for his volume.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#169 » by Lunartic » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:13 am

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Lunartic wrote:I hope this trade gets made, it would make the Bulls a respectable threat for 4th seed. A good coach would stagger Derozan/Lavine/Vuc so the Bulls have a 20ppg scorer on the floor at all times, pressuring defenses.


WindyCityBorn wrote:
So marginalize Ball like he was in New Orleans? We don’t need another lead distributor. Ball is first and Zach is second.


Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker


100% agree with the top part and 100% disagree with the second part...



He's got an Assist/Turnover ratio of like 1.4, that's pretty dreadful.

He's not really a playmaker, he can occasionally find guys when he's forcing it and I don't think anyone wants him to be the primary/secondary distributor.

By comparison, DeMar has a Ass/TO ratio of 3.50 while averaging about 7 assists a game to Zach's 5.

It's pretty apparent who is the better passer/playmaker between the two.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#170 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:16 am

Lunartic wrote:
BullChit wrote:
Lunartic wrote:I hope this trade gets made, it would make the Bulls a respectable threat for 4th seed. A good coach would stagger Derozan/Lavine/Vuc so the Bulls have a 20ppg scorer on the floor at all times, pressuring defenses.




Zach shouldn't be distributing the ball much, he doesn't have a knack for it and is more valuable as a chucker


100% agree with the top part and 100% disagree with the second part...



He's got an Assist/Turnover ratio of like 1.4, that's pretty dreadful.

He's not really a playmaker, he can occasionally find guys when he's forcing it and I don't think anyone wants him to be the primary/secondary distributor.

By comparison, DeMar has a Ass/TO ratio of 3.50 while averaging about 7 assists a game to Zach's 5.

It's pretty apparent who is the better passer/playmaker between the two.


He’s 32. Where was he at 26?
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#171 » by Lunartic » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:20 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Lunartic wrote:
BullChit wrote:
100% agree with the top part and 100% disagree with the second part...



He's got an Assist/Turnover ratio of like 1.4, that's pretty dreadful.

He's not really a playmaker, he can occasionally find guys when he's forcing it and I don't think anyone wants him to be the primary/secondary distributor.

By comparison, DeMar has a Ass/TO ratio of 3.50 while averaging about 7 assists a game to Zach's 5.

It's pretty apparent who is the better passer/playmaker between the two.


He’s 32. Where was he at 26?



Averaging 4 assists to 2 turnovers? If the Bulls sign someone like Demar, the idea is to win now, you don't win games by taking the ball out of the hands of the best playmakers or having a very turnover prone wing become a top distributor
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#172 » by d boy gentleman » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:20 am

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d boy gentleman wrote:Bobby Marks was just on. No mention of DeRozan at all...


Good don’t want him. We need a big.


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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#173 » by sco » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:00 pm

Saw Windhurst this morning on ESPNNEWS - he said there is still ongoing discussion about DDR and Lauri, but "it's hard to do double S&T's".
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#174 » by Evil_Headband » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:16 pm

Is Miami still an option for him? How would they make that work? Who else is in the running?
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#175 » by BeKuK » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:39 pm

I still hope for this to happen. I would really appreciate this to happen while I strongly believe that Lauri's time with the Bulls should be over, not to say has to be over.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#176 » by coldfish » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:40 pm

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WindyCityBorn wrote:I don’t want Derozan. A ball dominant wing that can’t shoot. Don’t see how he fits here with LaVine and Ball.

Derozen would be the best part of this off-season. Not Ball or Caruso and add the fact that they lost Theis. If they don’t get Derozen I’m not crazy about these moves.


Derozan has his warts. That said, he can create offense for himself unlike a guy like Ball. This would give the Bulls 3 people who can create for themselves and others. Derozan had a career high 32% assist rate last year. That's better than Ball.

As of this minute, I'm not really sure how much better the team is than last year but if you add Derozan and some depth, you are talking something. As with everyone though, contract matters. I wouldn't be happy with 4/120 or something.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#177 » by BeKuK » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:46 pm

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As of this minute, I'm not really sure how much better the team is than last year but if you add Derozan and some depth, you are talking something. As with everyone though, contract matters. I wouldn't be happy with 4/120 or something.


Can we say, that this current roster (including Lauri) is a 6-8 seed team and with DeRozan more of a 5 - 6 seed team ?
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#178 » by coldfish » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:49 pm

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coldfish wrote:
As of this minute, I'm not really sure how much better the team is than last year but if you add Derozan and some depth, you are talking something. As with everyone though, contract matters. I wouldn't be happy with 4/120 or something.


Can we say, that this current roster (including Lauri) is a 6-8 seed team and with DeRozan more of a 5 - 6 seed team ?


Personally, I thought that the team would have been a playoff team had they done nothing. I think they were better than they showed late last year due to a lack of practice, ill timed injuries, etc.

I'm not super high on Derozan but I do think he would help the team more than Lauri.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#179 » by Red8911 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:53 pm

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coldfish wrote:
As of this minute, I'm not really sure how much better the team is than last year but if you add Derozan and some depth, you are talking something. As with everyone though, contract matters. I wouldn't be happy with 4/120 or something.


Can we say, that this current roster (including Lauri) is a 6-8 seed team and with DeRozan more of a 5 - 6 seed team ?
With DeRozen if Donovan makes it work they can honestly beat anyone ,make the top seeds, and compete. Not saying they will win it all, but they will be up there with the best teams. He’s a difference maker.
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Re: Windhorst: Bulls Interested in DeRozan 

Post#180 » by sco » Tue Aug 3, 2021 12:54 pm

coldfish wrote:
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coldfish wrote:
As of this minute, I'm not really sure how much better the team is than last year but if you add Derozan and some depth, you are talking something. As with everyone though, contract matters. I wouldn't be happy with 4/120 or something.


Can we say, that this current roster (including Lauri) is a 6-8 seed team and with DeRozan more of a 5 - 6 seed team ?


Personally, I thought that the team would have been a playoff team had they done nothing. I think they were better than they showed late last year due to a lack of practice, ill timed injuries, etc.

I'm not super high on Derozan but I do think he would help the team more than Lauri.

Agree. What Derozan brings is a 3rd guy who we could trust to create offense, so that we can be resting on of Zach and Vuc without sputtering on offense. Lauri, because he isn't good at creating his own offense is less helpful, and I don't trust that Coby can do that consistently.
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