Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

A positive (and detailed) take on what Dinwiddie brings to the table..

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/the-catalyst-assessing-why-spencer-dinwiddie-should-be-coveted-nba-free-agent

Good article. An interesting snippet:

According to Synergy, only 11 players logged more isolation possessions than him in 2019-20. Despite the mammoth volume (205 possessions), he ranked in the 69th percentile in points per possession (0.951), which was seventh among the 12 players meeting that threshold. James Harden, Damian Lillard, Kawhi Leonard, Luka Doncic, Chris Paul and Jayson Tatum were the only players to finish above him. Dinwiddie blends both usage and production in a manner emulated by a select number of preeminent offensive orchestrators.

This is the stuff I'm talking about when I see he can bend a defense. Yes PIF, I know the stats say he has a TS% of .540 which is below league average, but you have to factor the shots he is taking. Having a guy who can score in isolation like that puts a floor on our half court efficiency. You move the ball and run the offense, and if nothing works out, just give it to Dinwiddie. And if the defense opts to put a weak defender on Dinwiddie, his shooting efficiency will rise. And if they put a good defender on him, then that's one less good defender to guard Brad.

I'm totally on board with this. I was wrong to object. Tommy has completely changed the context for assessing the team & "right" next moves. Took me a minute to catch up.

Moreover, I think Dinwiddie's effectiveness will likely go back to the high level of 16-17 & 17-18, given the scorers around him.

Ditto.

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[AFM]

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[mhd]

If healthy the backcourt is pretty much your Eastern Conference Equivalent of Dame/McCollum. Not that Din is anywhere near Dame but Beal is obviously better than McCollum. I think the trouble you'll find with how the Wizards roster is constructed is yes it helps to have 3 point shooters that can space the floor out but this team will continue to suffer defensively. Rui, Harrell, Kuzma, Bertans, Bryant, are not good interior defenders. I guess the goal will be to outscore everyone but we know how that has gone for them. I will say from Spence, Beal, Kispert, Bertans, Rui, Kuz, Harrell, Bryant, you have guys who can either shoot or score. Deni and Gafford are really the only guys who will be out there who aren't polished scorers.

The notion that the Wizards can't defend is outdated. The Wizards had the 7th best defense in the league over the last 50 games of the season. The only question is, how far does it fall when Lopez' minutes get replaced by Bryant. We can assume that Gafford will get more minutes, which will certainly help.

I'm a Bryant hater and would rather trade Bryant and resign RLO for another year/make Harell the backup center. We have enough long-range shooting with Bertans, Kuzma, Kispert, KCP, Rui (to a lesser extent), and Beal. I doubt our defense would have been 7th with Bryant out there. Bryant surely has lost even more lateral quickness with the ACL. Bryant & Bertans can't be on the floor at the same time. That's two hugely negative defenders. Bertans is likely immovable. Bryant isn't. Maybe the Spurs would take Bryant for a future 2nd? Gafford is the future at center and should be getting 28-32 MPG.

[doclinkin]

Around $20 mil is fair considering the market. The biggest concerns are the injury history, the spotty 3 pt shooting and the defense but he could teach a master class at getting all the way to the rim off the bounce. He's a very good offensive player in spite of the inconsistent 3.

I do think he necessitates starting Gafford to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

And provide a fast/mobile lob threat when bigs show to block him.

No matter what though if we rely on Dinwiddie, Bertans, and Bryant as core pieces, we are going to have to outscore opponents to beat them. I'm not seeing 2 way synergy in any particular combo. Though I can detail some artillery barrage line-ups to make it tough for opponents to match points with us.

What I don't want is more of last year, with a high usage Dinwiddie replacing high usage Westbrook -- minus the rebounding. It's up to Wes to develop a scheme that maximizes the danger of all of our offensive threats, with ball and player motion, or speed in transition. Then if stymied we have the twin guards to clear out and attack, make something happen.

[dckingsfan]

Around $20 mil is fair considering the market. The biggest concerns are the injury history, the spotty 3 pt shooting and the defense but he could teach a master class at getting all the way to the rim off the bounce. He's a very good offensive player in spite of the inconsistent 3.

I do think he necessitates starting Gafford to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

Before the injury he was a solid team defender. It really wasn't his weakness. But yes, he fits well with Gafford both offensively and defensively. He does need 3 point shooters around him but we have plenty of those (come on down Rui/Avidja - turn it up the 3 point shooting a notch!).

I do hope that they rehab him all the way to January (or whatever the completion should be) if they sign him long-term. As you point out this has potential bust written all over it if the injury bug sticks with him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Around $20 mil is fair considering the market. The biggest concerns are the injury history, the spotty 3 pt shooting and the defense but he could teach a master class at getting all the way to the rim off the bounce. He's a very good offensive player in spite of the inconsistent 3.

I do think he necessitates starting Gafford to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

And provide a fast/mobile lob threat when bigs show to block him.

No matter what though if we rely on Dinwiddie, Bertans, and Bryant as core pieces, we are going to have to outscore opponents to beat them. I'm not seeing 2 way synergy in any particular combo. Though I can detail some artillery barrage line-ups to make it tough for opponents to match points with us.

What I don't want is more of last year, with a high usage Dinwiddie replacing high usage Westbrook -- minus the rebounding. It's up to Wes to develop a scheme that maximizes the danger of all of our offensive threats, with ball and player motion, or speed in transition. Then if stymied we have the twin guards to clear out and attack, make something happen.

Robin Lopez has a hook shot that seems like it is as reliable as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's.

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[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

If healthy the backcourt is pretty much your Eastern Conference Equivalent of Dame/McCollum. Not that Din is anywhere near Dame but Beal is obviously better than McCollum. I think the trouble you'll find with how the Wizards roster is constructed is yes it helps to have 3 point shooters that can space the floor out but this team will continue to suffer defensively. Rui, Harrell, Kuzma, Bertans, Bryant, are not good interior defenders. I guess the goal will be to outscore everyone but we know how that has gone for them. I will say from Spence, Beal, Kispert, Bertans, Rui, Kuz, Harrell, Bryant, you have guys who can either shoot or score. Deni and Gafford are really the only guys who will be out there who aren't polished scorers.

The notion that the Wizards can't defend is outdated. The Wizards had the 7th best defense in the league over the last 50 games of the season. The only question is, how far does it fall when Lopez' minutes get replaced by Bryant. We can assume that Gafford will get more minutes, which will certainly help.

I'm a Bryant hater and would rather trade Bryant and resign RLO for another year/make Harell the backup center. We have enough long-range shooting with Bertans, Kuzma, Kispert, KCP, Rui (to a lesser extent), and Beal. I doubt our defense would have been 7th with Bryant out there. Bryant surely has lost even more lateral quickness with the ACL. Bryant & Bertans can't be on the floor at the same time. That's two hugely negative defenders. Bertans is likely immovable. Bryant isn't. Maybe the Spurs would take Bryant for a future 2nd? Gafford is the future at center and should be getting 28-32 MPG.

It's understandable to see the flaws in Bryant's game but the willingness to accept Harrell but not Bryant is kind of a head scratcher. Bryant is the better offense player I'd say with Harrell being slightly better defensively per advanced numbers but has had the luxury of playing on really good defensive teams. Bryant is three years younger too. You mentioned we have enough shooters, can you really ever have enough of those? I'm usually a Bryant hater, but he makes a lot more sense as a backup over Harrell IMO.

Lopez on the other hand is a whole different type of player. If we could get him for a decent price it be nice to bring him back for his off the court attributes as well as being a bucket when our offense stalls.

[nate33]

The notion that the Wizards can't defend is outdated. The Wizards had the 7th best defense in the league over the last 50 games of the season. The only question is, how far does it fall when Lopez' minutes get replaced by Bryant. We can assume that Gafford will get more minutes, which will certainly help.

I'm a Bryant hater and would rather trade Bryant and resign RLO for another year/make Harell the backup center. We have enough long-range shooting with Bertans, Kuzma, Kispert, KCP, Rui (to a lesser extent), and Beal. I doubt our defense would have been 7th with Bryant out there. Bryant surely has lost even more lateral quickness with the ACL. Bryant & Bertans can't be on the floor at the same time. That's two hugely negative defenders. Bertans is likely immovable. Bryant isn't. Maybe the Spurs would take Bryant for a future 2nd? Gafford is the future at center and should be getting 28-32 MPG.

It's understandable to see the flaws in Bryant's game but the willingness to accept Harrell but not Bryant is kind of a head scratcher. Bryant is the better offense player I'd say with Harrell being slightly better defensively per advanced numbers but has had the luxury of playing on really good defensive teams. Bryant is three years younger too. You mentioned we have enough shooters, can you really ever have enough of those? I'm usually a Bryant hater, but he makes a lot more sense as a backup over Harrell IMO.

Lopez on the other hand is a whole different type of player. If we could get him for a decent price it be nice to bring him back for his off the court attributes as well as being a bucket when our offense stalls.

If we could give away Harrell and resign RoLo to an equivalent contract, that would be awesome.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

One thing, I do recall really liking Dinwiddie when he was a Colorado Buffalo.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dinwisp01.html

Secondly, the similarity score feature of basketball reference says similar players to SD include Hubert Davis, JAMAL MURRAY, Malcolm Brogdon and Lou Williams.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Pif and others, assuming the Brooklyn numbers are representing what we should expect; 14 and 5 over 28 minutes isn't bad IMO.

[Ruzious]

One thing, I do recall is really liking Dinwiddie when he was a Colorado Buffalo.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dinwisp01.html

Secondly, the similarity score feature of basketball reference says similar players to SD include Hubert Davis and Malcolm Brogdon.

Interesting comp to Brogdon. They're about the same size with similar skills - though Dinwiddie is more of an iso player, and Brogdon is a better defender and a little stronger. Both 28.

[DCZards]

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[DCZards]

I’d expect to see some lineups featuring Beal, Dinwiddie and Holiday. This will be a particularly effective lineup if Holiday can get his 3pt shooting back up to around 39%.

Though only 6-0 Holiday is long and physical and can hold his own defensively.

If it comes down to trading one of them, I’m moving Harrell, not Bryant. I’m curious to see how the Gafford/Bryant duo at C works out.

[80sballboy]

Fine with this move. We needed a point guard in the worst way and at this point (no pun intended), there weren't many options, esp. when you only have the MLE. Just curious about what we're giving up. Will it be a three or four-team trade?

He has torn his ACL twice. Once in college and once in the NBA, so this is a pretty big risk.

[dckingsfan]

So, what does the S&T look like. Assuming we can't sign him straight out?

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

So, what does the S&T look like. Assuming we can't sign him straight out?

Quinton Mayo was saying that it could look very complicated. I wonder if they may be trying to include within the Russ trade.

[nate33]

So, what does the S&T look like. Assuming we can't sign him straight out?

Quinton Mayo was saying that it could look very complicated. I wonder if they may be trying to include within the Russ trade.

It doesn't seem complicated at all to me. Just roll Dinwiddie into the Westbrook trade. His first year would have to be at $19.5M or less and it fits under the 125% rule.

Something needs to go to Brooklyn to make it comply with the CBA, a top 55 protected 2nd rounder at least. Of course, if they want Hutchison or Bertans, they're welcome to have them.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Fine with this move. We needed a point guard in the worst way and at this point (no pun intended), there weren't many options, esp. when you only have the MLE. Just curious about what we're giving up. Will it be a three or four-team trade?

He has torn his ACL twice. Once in college and once in the NBA, so this is a pretty big risk.

I am fine with it too but I would’ve preferred seeing Dennis Smith at a much lower salary.

[badinage]

If Tommy Shepp pulls this off without ANY players going back — with just the exception — I mean … pretty great.

And — AND — we’d have pieces to use to bring back a Siakam.

Imagine Siakam with this lineup. Switchable, long, covers mucho ground. WITH Gafford.

Guy’s the ideal PF for this team. And he can shoot from range. So, spreadability, to go along with two shot creators in Beal and Dinwiddie, a bunch of shooters, a versatile Kirilekko-like (or at this point, -lite) in Avdija, wing defenders in Avdija, KCP, etc.

[dckingsfan]

Fine with this move. We needed a point guard in the worst way and at this point (no pun intended), there weren't many options, esp. when you only have the MLE. Just curious about what we're giving up. Will it be a three or four-team trade?

He has torn his ACL twice. Once in college and once in the NBA, so this is a pretty big risk.

I am fine with it too but I would’ve preferred seeing Dennis Smith at a much lower salary.

I do wonder who will be the third PG?