Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[ontnut]

If true, I don't blame the Mavs for playing hardball, I can't imagine there's a lot of suitors for Dragic right now at his salary so why bid against yourself?

But on the other side, why would Toronto do it unless they get a young player or pick back. Dragic has more value than WCS and Powell so Raps could just keep him and trade at deadline or he expires.

Because they need help on that team, and they need to appease Doncic. That team around him does not look very good, which is why they cleared space to go after Lowry. Dragic would be a solid consolation prize both in terms of on court production, as well as appeasing Doncic.

Raptors absolutely have the leverage here against the Mavs, and to an extent Miami.

[Asif16]

There was a report saying that the Mavs were actively shopping Dwight Powell though. THis one saying they don't want to give him up because he's beloved?

[VancouverRaps]

If true, I don't blame the Mavs for playing hardball, I can't imagine there's a lot of suitors for Dragic right now at his salary so why bid against yourself?

But on the other side, why would Toronto do it unless they get a young player or pick back. Dragic has more value than WCS and Powell so Raps could just keep him and trade at deadline or he expires.

Because they need help on that team, and they need to appease Doncic. That team around him does not look very good, which is why they cleared space to go after Lowry. Dragic would be a solid consolation prize both in terms of on court production, as well as appeasing Doncic.

Raptors absolutely have the leverage here against the Mavs, and to an extent Miami.

Fair, my only concern is that Dragic might be unhappy playing here and it might turn into an awkward situation in the locker room.

[ronaldo922]

please god no to WCS

[ontnut]

But on the other side, why would Toronto do it unless they get a young player or pick back. Dragic has more value than WCS and Powell so Raps could just keep him and trade at deadline or he expires.

Because they need help on that team, and they need to appease Doncic. That team around him does not look very good, which is why they cleared space to go after Lowry. Dragic would be a solid consolation prize both in terms of on court production, as well as appeasing Doncic.

Raptors absolutely have the leverage here against the Mavs, and to an extent Miami.

Fair, my only concern is that Dragic might be unhappy playing here and it might turn into an awkward situation in the locker room.

Then he can sit, rest his old man bones for the start of the season, and we wait for an injury to some contending team's backcourt, or for some team to get desperate, and deal him then, sort of like what Iguodala does. It's an option.

[ratul]

just keep dragic - he is on an expiring and people will want him especially because its a contract year for him.

[Jerry Lucas]

Seems like this hold up could easily be solved by them sending us Brunson and Moses Brown instead of WCS.

[Boardbreaker]

But on the other side, why would Toronto do it unless they get a young player or pick back. Dragic has more value than WCS and Powell so Raps could just keep him and trade at deadline or he expires.

Because they need help on that team, and they need to appease Doncic. That team around him does not look very good, which is why they cleared space to go after Lowry. Dragic would be a solid consolation prize both in terms of on court production, as well as appeasing Doncic.

Raptors absolutely have the leverage here against the Mavs, and to an extent Miami.

Fair, my only concern is that Dragic might be unhappy playing here and it might turn into an awkward situation in the locker room.

Don’t think it’ll come to this but we could always just get him to stay home like the Grizzlies did Iguodala. Increases his chances of being healthy by the deadline as well.

[traps#10]

I don’t want WCS, have you seen his face?

[biblast]

Via https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

In theory, you have to agree to the S&T first and then work out the details. None of these signings are final until the 6th anyhow. Guys can and have, reneged on their verbal agreements to sign with specific teams. Maybe the Mavs are looking at moving one of their prospects for a depth C so they can replace Powell/WCS production, or something like that.

I get all of that and I'm sure Masai had plan A, B lined up. Now it looks more like plan C or D.
If we agreed to do a S&T with the intention of keeping Dragic as a fall back option then OK . But if we never intended to keep him, I'd imagine you need to find out if another team can trade for him otherwise why going into all that trouble for ? To end up with Achiuawa as the centre piece and eat all of our cap space on Dragic ? I don't think so.
Masai is a one of the best GMs. Feels like something fell apart along the way and they are now trying to salvage the deal.
We shall see but it ain't looking good right now. FA pool is drying up by the minute!

[G_Misconduct]

Keep Dragic, thus causing Luka to force a sign and trade to Toronto. We will also trade Jim Treliving, Kevin O'Leary's wife and a bottle of Pinot Grigio for Mark Cuban

[Asif16]

None of Precious, Powell, WCS are shooters. We gonna be building houses with bricks

[Denisaur9]

The Kyle Lowry sign-and-trade to Miami isn't in doubt, but it appears the reason it hasn't been officially completed yet is that Toronto is now trying to re-home Goran Dragic. In statements to the media, Dragic expressed a desire to join the Mavericks and play with Luka Doncic, something Dallas is known to be interested in as well. To join as a third team in that deal, Dallas would have to send at least $14.4 million in salary to Toronto, something most easily done by combining Dwight Powell and Willie Cauley-Stein. But that's also where it gets complicated.

Dallas wouldn't want to do that because Powell is beloved around the organization, and losing two centers in the same transaction would thin the team's depth. The Mavs also don't want to replace Cauley-Stein with one of their prospects in Josh Green or Tyrell Terry. But Toronto likely views Dragic, a proven veteran on an expiring deal, as a positive asset. Dallas wants him, so why shouldn't it give something up? That's the current limbo it's easy to imagine both teams in right now. One possible solution is Dallas finding an expendable player Toronto does want and using a recently acquired trade exception (TPE) to bring something more conducive to the Raptors' likings.

Via https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

Person on Reddit who claimed to know the inside scoop said that the deal was they had until Thursday to gauge what the return is for Dragic.

So as it stands:

Dragic+Precious+2nd rounder, with the premise being to shop Dragic . If there is no takers, this person said Miami would up the offer. Whether that be upgrade to a 1st or KZ Okpala.

Makes sense and I'm okay with it.

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[ontnut]

please god no to WCS

Why?
He's no stud, but he's serviceable in 15-20 minutes at the C. He defends ok, and is at least efficient on offense. More than you can say about some of the C options out there. Worst case he's a $4.2 mil expiring that can be moved easily later on to a playoff team looking for some C depth.

[biblast]

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

In theory, you have to agree to the S&T first and then work out the details. None of these signings are final until the 6th anyhow. Guys can and have, reneged on their verbal agreements to sign with specific teams. Maybe the Mavs are looking at moving one of their prospects for a depth C so they can replace Powell/WCS production, or something like that.

I get all of that and I'm sure Masai had plan A, B lined up. Now it looks more like plan C or D.
If we agreed to do a S&T with the intention of keeping Dragic as a fall back option then OK . But if we never intended to keep him, I'd imagine you need to find out before if another team can trade for him otherwise why going into all that trouble for ? To end up with Achiuawa as the centre piece and eat all of our cap space on Dragic ? I don't think so.
Masai is a one of the best GMs. Feels like something fell apart along the way and they are now trying to salvage the deal.
We shall see but it ain't looking good right now. FA pool is drying up by the minute!

[mtcan]

Seems like this hold up could easily be solved by them sending us Brunson and Moses Brown instead of WCS.

I don't think Mose is allowed to be traded as part of a package which it has to be since he was recently acquired in a different trade.

Mavs are just hoarding big men at this point...and most of them aren't even that good.
Porzingis
Boban
Kleber
Powell
Cauley-Stein

I'm reasonably sure they can do without 2 of them.

[biblast]

Via https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

Person on Reddit who claimed to know the inside scoop said that the deal was they had until Thursday to gauge what the return is for Dragic.

So as it stands:

Dragic+Precious+2nd rounder, with the premise being to shop Dragic . If there is no takers, this person said Miami would up the offer. Whether that be upgrade to a 1st or KZ Okpala.

Makes sense and I'm okay with it.

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Yep, this makes more sense to me.

[ontnut]

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

In theory, you have to agree to the S&T first and then work out the details. None of these signings are final until the 6th anyhow. Guys can and have, reneged on their verbal agreements to sign with specific teams. Maybe the Mavs are looking at moving one of their prospects for a depth C so they can replace Powell/WCS production, or something like that.

I get all of that and I'm sure Masai had plan A, B lined up. Now it looks more like plan C or D.
If we agreed to do a S&T with the intention of keeping Dragic as a fall back option then OK . But if we never intended to keep him, I'd imagine you need to find out if another team can trade for him otherwise why going into all that trouble for ? To end up with Achiuawa as the centre piece and eat all of our cap space on Dragic ? I don't think so.
Masai is a one of the best GMs. Feels like something fell apart along the way and they are now trying to salvage the deal.
We shall see but it ain't looking good right now. FA pool is drying up by the minute!

I think moving Dragic was always option A, and there were only ever a couple teams we would be looking to move him to, Dallas being one of them. I think it's fine, they're still all working on the deal. Honestly, the FA options out there aren't exactly overwhelming anyway, and don't particularly fit our team's timeline or needs. I'd like Markkanen as a stretch big, or a small swing on Whiteside, but I don't think that's something to sweat over if it doesn't happen.

[ontnut]

None of Precious, Powell, WCS are shooters. We gonna be building houses with bricks

This much is true. You've gotta think they're targetting any sort of 3pt shooting with the rest of their signings (hence the flier on Dekker).

[ForeverTFC]

You all need to relax. Dragon is not a negative contract or a negative player. We’ll get something for him.