Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie

[Ruzious]

Has Harrell ever played the 4? I don’t see that as an option at all.

I guess it could go either way, Bryant is younger and more valuable as a core piece, but he’s also coming off a major knee injury and a total liability on D. Harrell brings rim protection and defense and a physicality that we lacked before acquiring Gafford last year. Raptor says Harrell was just as impactful as Anthony Davis last year.

Holding onto a stretch 5 might be more useful. Either player is sufficient as a backup C.

Harrell's the opposite of a rim protector and his play in the playoffs has been... unplayable. He can't begin to guard bigger centers like Jokic and Ayton. For those who say he can play the 4, I've never seen him play it, but it might be interesting to see if he could - next to Huff - who's a good interior defender and can hit the 3. Huff and Harrell could play together, imo.

[Prokorov]

You guys are getting a really good player in dinwiddie. He was the guy that helped make us playoff relevant (along with D'angello russell). When Levert was out, he carried us to all those wins. when levert/DLo were out he still carried us to wins. he had a stretch with those 2 out where he was a 25/9 player.

For whatever reason levert got all the hype, but it was dinwiddie winning games while levert was in street clothes. The nets have actually had a better record without levet in the lineup vs with him and a sub .500 record every year with levert in the lineup. the opposite was true for dinwiddie.

He is elite getting past his man and to the rim. He can defend 1-3 at a high level. he is a willing passer. he is excellent in the pick and roll on offense and defense.

Dont worry about his three. he is a better then the stats. he took tons of bad threes out of necessity. when he had help the selection and the percentage were much better. you want him taking threes. he can make them.

he is also super clutch. had a bunch of game winners and was in the middle of some huge comebacks. team player willing to do what it takes. start, be a 6th man, be the guy, defer to a star....

Alot of the criticisms here are box score ignorance. Dinwiddie is a legie 20/8 type guy who can defend at am above average level with a high iq and fits in multiple roles

[Prokorov]

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Around $20 mil is fair considering the market. The biggest concerns are the injury history, the spotty 3 pt shooting and the defense but he could teach a master class at getting all the way to the rim off the bounce. He's a very good offensive player in spite of the inconsistent 3.

I do think he necessitates starting Gafford to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

If it wasnt for us having Harden/Kyrie/KD and being in luxury tax hell id be thrilled with dinwiddie on more then the rumored 3/60. in an offseason where derozan gets 3/85 dinwiddie is easily worth 20 million.

He is a better player on both ends then fournier who got 78 million

[80sballboy]

https://theathletic.com/2749412/2021/08/03/spencer-dinwiddie-to-the-wizards-well-its-complicated-and-it-could-require-a-wild-finish/

Fred Katz tries to explain the trade and what might happen. Not going to paste the whole story. Just some snippets. As someone else said on this board, this trade will be likely be added to the Westbrook deal, which can't be completed until Aug. 6.

The 2023 first-rounder the Wizards owe OKC, meanwhile, makes the Thunder an even more obvious third team — or maybe fifth team, considering the way this is going — in a Dinwiddie deal. The only way Washington can trade its 2025 first-rounder is if it removes protections on its 2023 one, which Oklahoma City already owns. League rules say teams can’t remove protections on an already-traded draft pick without the removal being part of a larger deal that already includes both the team whose pick it is and the team that owns the pick. In this case, those two organizations reconnecting is intuitive.

There are endless iterations of how a trade could work with OKC. The Wizards could send Kuzma or someone else to Brooklyn, the Nets could dump DeAndre Jordan (whose two-year, $20 million contract is almost identical to Favors’) on the Thunder, the Thunder could send something tiny back to either team and Washington could remove its protections on the 2023 pick, guaranteeing Oklahoma City receives it in a couple of years. Maybe it would take more than that for a deal like this to appeal for the pick-obsessed Thunder.

Whether or not the Wizards part with a player in a sign-and-trade affects how they fill out the rest of their roster, too.

Let’s say they find a way to loop Dinwiddie into the Westbrook trade and give him that $19.5 million starting salary in 2021-22. They would climb about $4 million over the luxury tax line, where they are unlikely to stay. They could find a way to get out of it. Finding another team — yes, another team — to take Chandler Hutchison’s $4 million 2021-22 salary and a second-rounder, or something like that, would do it. It’s just another obstacle and while Sheppard and the front office have until the trade deadline to find their way out of the tax, that is typically easier to do sooner than later, particularly considering their lack of draft assets.

Additionally, acquiring a player via sign-and-trade hard caps that team. The Wizards could come about $3 million away from the 2021-22 season’s $143 million hard cap line if they gave Dinwiddie the aforementioned salary. (The contract could end up being less than that, but we’re speaking hypothetically.) It would make acquiring Dinwiddie not just a move, but the move of Washington’s offseason, considering that even if the organization could scramble out of the tax and further away from the hard cap, it would still be far too close to use the $9.5 million midlevel exception or maybe even the $3.7 million bi-annual exception.

… Unless the Wizards made another move to cut even more salary.

[Ruzious]

https://theathletic.com/2749412/2021/08/03/spencer-dinwiddie-to-the-wizards-well-its-complicated-and-it-could-require-a-wild-finish/

Fred Katz tries to explain the trade and what might happen. Not going to paste the whole story. Just some snippets. As someone else said on this board, this trade will be likely be added to the Westbrook deal, which can't be completed until Aug. 6.

The 2023 first-rounder the Wizards owe OKC, meanwhile, makes the Thunder an even more obvious third team — or maybe fifth team, considering the way this is going — in a Dinwiddie deal. The only way Washington can trade its 2025 first-rounder is if it removes protections on its 2023 one, which Oklahoma City already owns. League rules say teams can’t remove protections on an already-traded draft pick without the removal being part of a larger deal that already includes both the team whose pick it is and the team that owns the pick. In this case, those two organizations reconnecting is intuitive.

There are endless iterations of how a trade could work with OKC. The Wizards could send Kuzma or someone else to Brooklyn, the Nets could dump DeAndre Jordan (whose two-year, $20 million contract is almost identical to Favors’) on the Thunder, the Thunder could send something tiny back to either team and Washington could remove its protections on the 2023 pick, guaranteeing Oklahoma City receives it in a couple of years. Maybe it would take more than that for a deal like this to appeal for the pick-obsessed Thunder.

Whether or not the Wizards part with a player in a sign-and-trade affects how they fill out the rest of their roster, too.

Let’s say they find a way to loop Dinwiddie into the Westbrook trade and give him that $19.5 million starting salary in 2021-22. They would climb about $4 million over the luxury tax line, where they are unlikely to stay. They could find a way to get out of it. Finding another team — yes, another team — to take Chandler Hutchison’s $4 million 2021-22 salary and a second-rounder, or something like that, would do it. It’s just another obstacle and while Sheppard and the front office have until the trade deadline to find their way out of the tax, that is typically easier to do sooner than later, particularly considering their lack of draft assets.

Additionally, acquiring a player via sign-and-trade hard caps that team. The Wizards could come about $3 million away from the 2021-22 season’s $143 million hard cap line if they gave Dinwiddie the aforementioned salary. (The contract could end up being less than that, but we’re speaking hypothetically.) It would make acquiring Dinwiddie not just a move, but the move of Washington’s offseason, considering that even if the organization could scramble out of the tax and further away from the hard cap, it would still be far too close to use the $9.5 million midlevel exception or maybe even the $3.7 million bi-annual exception.

… Unless the Wizards made another move to cut even more salary.

I don't like the way this is going. Taking away the protection on the 2023 pick and trading the 2025 pick should be a non-starter for the Wiz unless they're getting something/someone addition back with a lot of value. Otoh, I wonder if several teams get involved in this trade, and it gets even more interesting - almost anything could happen.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Has Harrell ever played the 4? I don’t see that as an option at all.

I guess it could go either way, Bryant is younger and more valuable as a core piece, but he’s also coming off a major knee injury and a total liability on D. Harrell brings rim protection and defense and a physicality that we lacked before acquiring Gafford last year. Raptor says Harrell was just as impactful as Anthony Davis last year.

Holding onto a stretch 5 might be more useful. Either player is sufficient as a backup C.

Harrell's the opposite of a rim protector and his play in the playoffs has been... unplayable. He can't begin to guard bigger centers like Jokic and Ayton. For those who say he can play the 4, I've never seen him play it, but it might be interesting to see if he could - next to Huff - who's a good interior defender and can hit the 3. Huff and Harrell could play together, imo.

[Shoe]

https://theathletic.com/2749412/2021/08/03/spencer-dinwiddie-to-the-wizards-well-its-complicated-and-it-could-require-a-wild-finish/

Fred Katz tries to explain the trade and what might happen. Not going to paste the whole story. Just some snippets. As someone else said on this board, this trade will be likely be added to the Westbrook deal, which can't be completed until Aug. 6.

The 2023 first-rounder the Wizards owe OKC, meanwhile, makes the Thunder an even more obvious third team — or maybe fifth team, considering the way this is going — in a Dinwiddie deal. The only way Washington can trade its 2025 first-rounder is if it removes protections on its 2023 one, which Oklahoma City already owns. League rules say teams can’t remove protections on an already-traded draft pick without the removal being part of a larger deal that already includes both the team whose pick it is and the team that owns the pick. In this case, those two organizations reconnecting is intuitive.

There are endless iterations of how a trade could work with OKC. The Wizards could send Kuzma or someone else to Brooklyn, the Nets could dump DeAndre Jordan (whose two-year, $20 million contract is almost identical to Favors’) on the Thunder, the Thunder could send something tiny back to either team and Washington could remove its protections on the 2023 pick, guaranteeing Oklahoma City receives it in a couple of years. Maybe it would take more than that for a deal like this to appeal for the pick-obsessed Thunder.

Removing the protections on the 2023 first so we can trade away our 2025 first so we can have the privilege of paying Dinwiddie $20 mil.

[gambitx777]

https://theathletic.com/2749412/2021/08/03/spencer-dinwiddie-to-the-wizards-well-its-complicated-and-it-could-require-a-wild-finish/

Fred Katz tries to explain the trade and what might happen. Not going to paste the whole story. Just some snippets. As someone else said on this board, this trade will be likely be added to the Westbrook deal, which can't be completed until Aug. 6.

The 2023 first-rounder the Wizards owe OKC, meanwhile, makes the Thunder an even more obvious third team — or maybe fifth team, considering the way this is going — in a Dinwiddie deal. The only way Washington can trade its 2025 first-rounder is if it removes protections on its 2023 one, which Oklahoma City already owns. League rules say teams can’t remove protections on an already-traded draft pick without the removal being part of a larger deal that already includes both the team whose pick it is and the team that owns the pick. In this case, those two organizations reconnecting is intuitive.

There are endless iterations of how a trade could work with OKC. The Wizards could send Kuzma or someone else to Brooklyn, the Nets could dump DeAndre Jordan (whose two-year, $20 million contract is almost identical to Favors’) on the Thunder, the Thunder could send something tiny back to either team and Washington could remove its protections on the 2023 pick, guaranteeing Oklahoma City receives it in a couple of years. Maybe it would take more than that for a deal like this to appeal for the pick-obsessed Thunder.

Removing the protections on the 2023 first so we can trade away our 2025 first so we can have the privilege of paying Dinwiddie $20 mil.

I didn't take that away from the article I think they just meant we can do that then it gives us flexibility to do that later if needed.

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[nate33]

All this talk about first rounders is ridiculous. It won't happen. All that needs to happen is we need to dump Hutchison. That shouldn't be that hard. We can probably just give Indiana a second round pick and have them absorb Hutchison into the Holiday portion of the trade.

We're not giving up a freaking first round pick for somebody to absorb a one-year $4M salary of a marginally useful player.

The other option would be to execute a Harrell for Jordan swap and get Brooklyn to give us some pick considerations for absorbing Jordan's 2nd year at $10M

[payitforward]

Trading away future first round picks should be off the table.

When draft day comes around in 2025, Brad Beal & Spencer Dinwiddie will each be 32 years old. We will not have won a title between now & then. We won't have had a '23 R1 pick, & we'll be looking at that day's draft from the outside as well.

How is this not obvious? Every team in the league is capable of trading their future R1 picks to Brooklyn in a trade for Dinwiddie. But they're not lining up to do it.

The Nets HAVE to move Dinwiddie. They can't afford to pay him. His $20m would cost them something closer to $50m. When the seller must sell, potential buyers don't bid the price up. Let's not be dumb enough to do that.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

If we sign him, I'll be as optimistic as the next guy, but are we really going to ignore his career FG%?

[payitforward]

All this talk about first rounders is ridiculous. It won't happen. All that needs to happen is we need to dump Hutchison. That shouldn't be that hard. We can probably just give Indiana a second round pick and have them absorb Hutchison into the Holiday portion of the trade.

We're not giving up a freaking first round pick for somebody to absorb a one-year $4M salary of a marginally useful player.

The other option would be to execute a Harrell for Jordan swap and get Brooklyn to give us some pick considerations for absorbing Jordan's 2nd year at $10M

Could Hutchison go to the Lakers, for that matter?

[nate33]

Trading away future first round picks should be off the table.

When draft day comes around in 2025, Brad Beal & Spencer Dinwiddie will each be 32 years old. We will not have won a title between now & then. We won't have had a '23 R1 pick, & we'll be looking at that day's draft from the outside as well.

How is this not obvious? Every team in the league is capable of trading their future R1 picks to Brooklyn in a trade for Dinwiddie. But they're not lining up to do it.

The Nets HAVE to move Dinwiddie. They can't afford to pay him. His $20m would cost them something closer to $50m. When the seller must sell, potential buyers don't bid the price up. Let's not be dumb enough to do that.

Either way, the Nets will be letting Dinwiddie go. But they know that we need their participation to execute a sign-and-trade since we don't have raw cap room, so they are probably trying to leverage that into an asset.

I'd call their bluff. Nobody else has enough cap room to pay Dinwiddie now, so if Brooklyn squelches the deal, the end result will be that Dinwiddie gets paid less money. And nobody will be happy with the Nets organization for causing Dinwiddie to take a pay cut just because they were greedy. Indeed, I think Sheppard has already called their bluff. We're not giving them anything more than maybe a future 2nd for their participation.

The other hurdle is that we only have about $15.6M in virtual TPE space to absorb Dinwiddie's new salary. We are trying to find a way to send out a 2.9M million more in the Westbrook trade so we can pay Dinwiddie at least $18.5M in his first year of his new contract. Either that, or we are trying to make an even player-for-player swap with some other team to expand the total amount of money involved so that the 125% exception expands a bit more, giving us that extra $2.9M.

[nate33]

All this talk about first rounders is ridiculous. It won't happen. All that needs to happen is we need to dump Hutchison. That shouldn't be that hard. We can probably just give Indiana a second round pick and have them absorb Hutchison into the Holiday portion of the trade.

We're not giving up a freaking first round pick for somebody to absorb a one-year $4M salary of a marginally useful player.

The other option would be to execute a Harrell for Jordan swap and get Brooklyn to give us some pick considerations for absorbing Jordan's 2nd year at $10M

Could Hutchison go to the Lakers, for that matter?

I don't think so. They already are taking back way more salary than they are sending out. I don't think there's room left in their side of the 125% exception to do it. They may also be facing hard cap issues with all the other transactions they have made. I think if they could do it, it would be a done deal. The Lakers would probably welcome a young wing defender.

[TGW]

If Sheppard takes protections off that pick, he’s an idiot. At this point, I’m hoping this deal falls through, because Dinwiddie coming off of surgery is not worth taking on Jordan’s contract or modifying picks.

[nate33]

If we sign him, I'll be as optimistic as the next guy, but are we really going to ignore his career FG%?

Read the link on the first page of this thread.

[Ruzious]

Trading away future first round picks should be off the table.

When draft day comes around in 2025, Brad Beal & Spencer Dinwiddie will each be 32 years old. We will not have won a title between now & then. We won't have had a '23 R1 pick, & we'll be looking at that day's draft from the outside as well.

How is this not obvious? Every team in the league is capable of trading their future R1 picks to Brooklyn in a trade for Dinwiddie. But they're not lining up to do it.

The Nets HAVE to move Dinwiddie. They can't afford to pay him. His $20m would cost them something closer to $50m. When the seller must sell, potential buyers don't bid the price up. Let's not be dumb enough to do that.

That's exactly the way I see it. And apparently the Nets did complete the sign part of the sign and trade of Dinwiddie. So, if the trade isn't essentially already done, the Wiz can bleep the Nets, and they know it. What I don't get is why the article by Katz discusses the Wiz 2023 and 2025 picks.

[nate33]

Here's an idea:

What about incorporating Miami into the Westbrook trade and send them Bertans for Iguadola. (They'd have to opt in on his $15M team option.) That would expand the outgoing money in the Westbrook trade by enough to pay Dinwiddie his 3 year $60M salary. It also gets us off of Bertans' contract. And it gives Miami another shooter which they really need on a team that will play Bam, Butler and PJ Tucker a lot.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we sign him, I'll be as optimistic as the next guy, but are we really going to ignore his career FG%?

I am.

Who’d he play with before? Beal, shooters, lob finishers, a much more balanced and competitive situation here now—should give Dinwiddie a very good chance at putting up career numbers.

[nate33]

Here's an idea:

What about incorporating Miami into the Westbrook trade and send them Bertans for Iguadola. (They'd have to opt in on his $15M team option.) That would expand the outgoing money in the Westbrook trade by enough to pay Dinwiddie his 3 year $60M salary. It also gets us off of Bertans' contract. And it gives Miami another shooter which they really need on a team that will play Bam, Butler and PJ Tucker a lot.

If I'm Tommy Sheppard, I'd get out the player salary table on basketball reference, and just start calling teams with contracts of players matching Bertans'. There are a ton of guys in the same general area: Taurean Prince, Iguadola, Beasley, Smart, Beverley, Winslow. Incorporating a Bertans swap with one of those players into the Westbrook trade generates the TPE we need to absorb Dinwiddie's new salary while also unloading Bertans salary long term. Some of those teams might want a marksman like Bertans, and we no longer need him with Kispert and Kuzma in the fold.