Free Agency Thread

[younggunsmn]

S&Ts are not the problem, far from it.

While not the whole problem, they're a big part of the problem with the current soft cap system, the soft cap is meant as a mechanism for teams to retain their own players, not endlessly inflate their payrolls as S/T's are currently being used.
We may not have any money, but say you are San Antonio or OKC who saved up their capspace like good little boys and girls.
They should control the market right? That's what the system is supposed to be set up for.

Have the pick of the litter for any player above the MLE?
Have the ability to leverage bargain deals and add 3-4 rotation players at the price of 2?
Have the ability to take on some teams disgruntled or slightly overpaid star player?
NOPE.

Sign and trades screw that up when any team with an expiring or 2 and draft picks (the junk bond of the NBA) becomes a bidder for free agents.
Free agency = supply and demand. The more bidders, the higher the price.
Sign and trades distort the market horribly and allow players too much leverage to maintain a healthy economic ecosystem.

[Krapinsky]

Sign and trades need to be completely eliminated in the next CBA, this is ridiculus,
Big market teams are making a complete mockery of the salary cap using sign and trades this offseason.
Miami, already with 2 max players, can somehow afford to sign Lowry for 30 mil/year and then give Duncan Robinson 5/90 (yikes)?

There will never be any parity in the NBA without a hard cap.

But Rosas made his own bed. It's not the cold weather, its the fact that this franchise is a laughingstock.
And KAT may be talented, but no truly elite player is going to want to play with him after what JImmy Butler did to him.

Leave yourself hard up against the luxury tax before FA even begins? check.
Literally can't give away your top 10 pick from 2 years ago? check.
Salary dump your fan favorite, lone marketable expiring before FA opens and he nearly takes out team USA 1 on 5? check.
Add a 2nd round pick in a year you already have 2 instead of one of the years you gave yours away? check.
Overpaid max contract you can't give away? check.
Send 7th overall pick to team that went to the finals 5 years in a row for said player you can't give away? check.
Poor cap management causing you to go without using the MLE 3rd year in a row? check.

Rosas is a joke. The best thing he can do now is NOTHING.

The best we can hope for over the coming season is that ANT and McDaniels grow by leaps and bounds and make this THEIR team and DLO and KAT either decide to get with the program and become winners and play defense or they can move on.
Every year there are FA diamonds signed for peanuts. Find this years RIchaun Holmes. Forget the 3 point shooting, its a luxury I don't give a rats patoot about system fit at this point. FInd me a PF/C who can play defense and rebound. KAT is so bad defensively we are dead in the water without someone next to him who is at least competent.

Sign a DJ WIlson like someone suggested. sign 3 of them for peanuts and hope one pans out. Don't pay someone (probably costing you at least one future 1st) who doesn't move the needle just to make it look like you did something.
It sucks not doing anything, but it can get much worse if we end up mortgaging the future without significantly improving the team. The west is loaded. The smart move is looking 2-3 years down the road. But that's not what executives who are on the hot seat (and frankly, deserve to be fired) do.

Have you considered that Ant, Simmons, McDaniels have the makings of the next Jordan-Pippen-Kukoc?

Ant, McDaniels and Bolmaro!!

Let's not get carried away!

[shrink]

Paul Millsap is still out there. He seems like the level of player we might be able to get on free agency — a PF starter would have to get here through the draft or trade. Millsap is starting his age, but he would be a big help as a bench big, and a voice in the locker room. He is a former All Defense Team player, and people say that he was the one that convinced Jokic to at least try on defense. Hoopshype lists him as the #3 available free agent at PF, behind John Collins and Markannen.

Paul Millsap / Last team: Denver
Starting to show signs of slowing down, but still can be an effective big man off the bench who’s still a solid playmaker and shooter for a big man.

2020/21 stats: 9.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.8 apg, 47.6 FG%, 34.3 3P%

Incidentally, I liked the write up for #6.

Jarred Vanderbilt / Restricted free agent / Last team: Minnesota
Very impactful defender on the wing who has versatility in who he defends. Puts up huge steals and blocks numbers in limited playing time. Offensive game needs work but huge upside defensively.

2020/21 stats: 5.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.2 apg, 60.6 FG%, 20.0 3P%

[moss_is_1]

There's not much left for free agents. If we aren't able to swing for Lauri/Collins we should just look to use our MLE on some bargains.

1. Josh Hart - Not sure if the Pels would still match a higher deal with a crowded rotation. Great rebounder to offset McDaniels/Juancho being mediocre.
2. Khem Birch - If we were to move Naz - I think he always plays well when given a chance as a backup 5.
3. Hamidou Diallo - Young, great athlete, defends, improving shooter
4. Bryn Forbes - Can always use a young shooter, probably will go to a conteder.
5. Terence Davis - Another young shooter - really haven't heard of him TBH.

[moss_is_1]

Paul Millsap is still out there. He seems like the level of player we might be able to get on free agency — a PF starter would have to get here through the draft or trade. Millsap is starting his age, but he would be a big help as a bench big, and a voice in the locker room. He is a former All Defense Team player, and people say that he was the one that convinced Jokic to at least try on defense. Hoopshype lists him as the #3 available free agent at PF, behind John Collins and Markannen.

Paul Millsap / Last team: Denver
Starting to show signs of slowing down, but still can be an effective big man off the bench who’s still a solid playmaker and shooter for a big man.

2020/21 stats: 9.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.8 apg, 47.6 FG%, 34.3 3P%

Incidentally, I liked the write up for #6.

Jarred Vanderbilt / Restricted free agent / Last team: Minnesota
Very impactful defender on the wing who has versatility in who he defends. Puts up huge steals and blocks numbers in limited playing time. Offensive game needs work but huge upside defensively.

2020/21 stats: 5.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.2 apg, 60.6 FG%, 20.0 3P%

It could be worth it to bring in Millsap at least as a mentor. A guy who had to fight for his status in the league. We could use more veteran leadership for sure.

[younggunsmn]

You're full of it about D Lo. We don't want to give him away and we could if we wanted to. You're calling Rosas a joke and yet the future of the team is all about 2 of his draft picks. I get some negativity, but you go way overboard.

D-Lo is a negative asset, time to face the music. There was maybe one other suitor at the time of the trade, the knicks, and his value has dropped considerably since then with all the games missed. I think if you polled GM's you would have to attach at least one first round pick for them to eat that contract.

Edwards and McDaniels offer promise, yes, at this point, but they also have a long way to go.
McDaniels flashed, but he's going to have to figure it out offensively, he was passably efficient, but also so many games with 5 shots or less.

I don't think this team has bottomed out yet and the current roadblock we face in our ability to improve the team is something I warned against after our moves last offseason.

But at least all the money being thrown at mediocre players makes Beasley more appealing in trade.

[Neeva]

Josh Hart would be nice if Rosas trades Beasley.

[younggunsmn]

I like josh hart, I think he'd fit well here. I wonder if new orleans likes Beasley or how attached they are to Jonas?
They wanted to add a stretch big to play with zion.

How about Beasley/Naz/Juancho for Jonas and a S/T for Hart? gives NO the shooting they are looking for, Naz allows Zion free reign in the paint, and we get some size, defense, and grit.

[Wolves21]

Like the idea of Josh Hart on the team,not a great 3PT shooter but a good mid range guy who's a great rebound for a gaurd/foward.If we end up trading Beasely,Nowell or Bolmero could easily filler their role off the bench.Let's say whatever deal we make we end up moving Beasely a bench of Hart,Bolmero,Reid,Nowell,Prince isn't bad at all,a little under sized but a good group.

[Dewey]

I have half-heartedly envisioned the Simmons, ANT, McDaniel scenario … it’s a complete “cart ahead of the horse” view, but due to the fact we have zero leadership from either max player (DLo and KAT), I have an open mind to lots of alternate ideas.

[TaylorTag]

Ew don’t speak Josh Hart into existence. He is not what this team needs. He’s essentially Ant. We already have Ant

[moss_is_1]

Ew don’t speak Josh Hart into existence. He is not what this team needs. He’s essentially Ant. We already have Ant

How is he like Ant whatsoever?

[TaylorTag]

Ew don’t speak Josh Hart into existence. He is not what this team needs. He’s essentially Ant. We already have Ant

How is he like Ant whatsoever?

He’s a scorer who doesn’t offer much else.

Edit: can’t believe I have to clarify this, but I’m not saying Hart is as good as Ant. I’m just saying that Hart doesn’t bring anything unique to this team, and when we have holes at other positions, I’m not sure why we should put a lot of focus on a guy who doesn’t hit 3s and is not great on D

[moss_is_1]

Ew don’t speak Josh Hart into existence. He is not what this team needs. He’s essentially Ant. We already have Ant

How is he like Ant whatsoever?

He’s a scorer who doesn’t offer much else.

Edit: can’t believe I have to clarify this, but I’m not saying Hart is as good as Ant. I’m just saying that Hart doesn’t bring anything unique to this team, and when we have holes at other positions, I’m not sure why we should put a lot of focus on a guy who doesn’t hit 3s and is not great on D

Josh Hart is far from any sort of scorer. He's a role player - he's a great rebounder for his size, is an okay shooter, and plays solid defense. I think his rebounding next to McDaniels/Ant would be nice, if we aren't able to find anything else in free agency he could be an asset down the line potentially.

[Note30]

How is he like Ant whatsoever?

He’s a scorer who doesn’t offer much else.

Edit: can’t believe I have to clarify this, but I’m not saying Hart is as good as Ant. I’m just saying that Hart doesn’t bring anything unique to this team, and when we have holes at other positions, I’m not sure why we should put a lot of focus on a guy who doesn’t hit 3s and is not great on D

Josh Hart is far from any sort of scorer. He's a role player - he's a great rebounder for his size, is an okay shooter, and plays solid defense. I think his rebounding next to McDaniels/Ant would be nice, if we aren't able to find anything else in free agency he could be an asset down the line potentially.

Yeah no idea how he counts as a scorer

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[KGdaBom]

You're full of it about D Lo. We don't want to give him away and we could if we wanted to. You're calling Rosas a joke and yet the future of the team is all about 2 of his draft picks. I get some negativity, but you go way overboard.

D-Lo is a negative asset, time to face the music. There was maybe one other suitor at the time of the trade, the knicks, and his value has dropped considerably since then with all the games missed. I think if you polled GM's you would have to attach at least one first round pick for them to eat that contract.

Edwards and McDaniels offer promise, yes, at this point, but they also have a long way to go.
McDaniels flashed, but he's going to have to figure it out offensively, he was passably efficient, but also so many games with 5 shots or less.

I don't think this team has bottomed out yet and the current roadblock we face in our ability to improve the team is something I warned against after our moves last offseason.

But at least all the money being thrown at mediocre players makes Beasley more appealing in trade.

I disagree with you about DLo being a negative asset. I virtually guarantee there would be at least some teams happy to take him off our hands. I'm excited for our future.

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[moonpie]

To echo what has been said, Hart isn't really a scorer. More 3/D/Slash Archetype, above average rebounder for a wing, and pretty heady/high IQ

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Omer Yurtseven had a pretty nice game for the Heat summer league team today: 27/19/2 with 2 steals and a block; 3/7 from three. Yurtseven is a Turkish center listed at 7'0/275 who went undrafted in 2020 out of Georgetown. The Heat declined his option earlier so technically he is an unrestricted free agent

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