MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

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I can't believe we are sitting here trying to figure out how to use 3.4 million to stay under the tax with major holes to fill at backup PG and SF. Avery Bradley and Danny Green should have been signed already. Hell I would even take Iguodala back at this point as a backup SF for the vet minimum.

It is really less us than us trying to guess what Mickey will tell Andy to do. And Andy also recognizes that after this season we will probably go into the luxury tax next season when we aren't hard capped. If we even dip our toe into that pool this year, that sets up a much more punitive repeater tax next year. It is unfortunate the way the numbers are playing out, but unless we can get lowry or duncan to take less this year and legally reallocate it then this is our life now.

[AirP.]

The problem is we can sign 3 rookie minimums and still fit under the tax. I won’t like it either, but it must be intriguing to Arison lol

Vet min is $1.6mil that would be $4.8mil and we are currently $3.2mil under the tax. Are you talking about filling the roster with 0yr experience mins of 800k?

If it is at 3.4 as Bobby Marks reported it yesterday, we might be able to sign (example not suggestion) Yurtseven to the same contract as struss and vincent giving us his bird rights at the end of the contract. We then would need to sign two 0 exp rooks and I personally would like to see Garrett be one of those and keep the other open to see who performs.

Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season, they just won't be able to exceed the hard cap at anytime during the season with the Lowry S&T. It's still quite possible Oladipo is signed later in the season and then signed long term next season with his Bird rights.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Vet min is $1.6mil that would be $4.8mil and we are currently $3.2mil under the tax. Are you talking about filling the roster with 0yr experience mins of 800k?

If it is at 3.4 as Bobby Marks reported it yesterday, we might be able to sign (example not suggestion) Yurtseven to the same contract as struss and vincent giving us his bird rights at the end of the contract. We then would need to sign two 0 exp rooks and I personally would like to see Garrett be one of those and keep the other open to see who performs.

Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season, they just won't be able to exceed the hard cap at anytime during the season with the Lowry S&T.

This is true. I brought this up yesterday, but I was told with the contracts we have it would be hard to get back under the tax line.

[AirP.]

If it is at 3.4 as Bobby Marks reported it yesterday, we might be able to sign (example not suggestion) Yurtseven to the same contract as struss and vincent giving us his bird rights at the end of the contract. We then would need to sign two 0 exp rooks and I personally would like to see Garrett be one of those and keep the other open to see who performs.

Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season, they just won't be able to exceed the hard cap at anytime during the season with the Lowry S&T.

This is true. I brought this up yesterday, but I was told with the contracts we have it would be hard to get back under the tax line.

Did OKC leave the NBA? You could also make trades like Tucker for a cheaper guy.

I'd expect Oladipo will be signed later this season for somewhere near the minimum to retain his Bird rights and start working towards getting back in shape.

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Vet min is $1.6mil that would be $4.8mil and we are currently $3.2mil under the tax. Are you talking about filling the roster with 0yr experience mins of 800k?

If it is at 3.4 as Bobby Marks reported it yesterday, we might be able to sign (example not suggestion) Yurtseven to the same contract as struss and vincent giving us his bird rights at the end of the contract. We then would need to sign two 0 exp rooks and I personally would like to see Garrett be one of those and keep the other open to see who performs.

Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season.

Right I hear you, but how do we do that without shipping out a contract at a higher value and receiving one at a lower value? We likely are not trading Tucker, Lowry, Robinson, Jimmy, or Bam. And if we sent Herro out it probably isn't bringing back lower financial contract. Most everyone else is on minimums, so unless I am missing something blatantly obvious (which I could be and would appreciate it being pointed out) then we need to construct our roster for this season with minimal movement in mind.

[AirP.]

If it is at 3.4 as Bobby Marks reported it yesterday, we might be able to sign (example not suggestion) Yurtseven to the same contract as struss and vincent giving us his bird rights at the end of the contract. We then would need to sign two 0 exp rooks and I personally would like to see Garrett be one of those and keep the other open to see who performs.

Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season.

Right I hear you, but how do we do that without shipping out a contract at a higher value and receiving one at a lower value? We likely are not trading Tucker, Lowry, Robinson, Jimmy, or Bam. And if we sent Herro out it probably isn't bringing back lower financial contract. Most everyone else is on minimums, so unless I am missing something blatantly obvious (which I could be and we appreciate it being pointed out) then we need to construct our roster for this season with minimal movement in mind.

If you start looking at the money in the next few years, Herro may be the odd man out. I don't think Miami will trade Robinson now(I expect he took less to stay), Butler and Bam will be maxed, Lowry will still be paid the first year of what would be Herro's contract and I'd expect Oladipo to be under contract. Herro will probably get moved this season or in the next offseason depending on Oladipo's recovery because someone is going to be willing to pay Herro more then Miami wants to pay him in 2 years. Maybe you combine Herro and Tucker for a better PF on a solid and long contract. Maybe Herro goes to OKC to get multiple assets for instance Miami's 2023 pick back unlocking the picks behind it.

Miami still has moves to do in the next 2 seasons, it's not as done as some media people believe. The 3 level scorer Miami needs, Miami still owns Oladipo's Bird rights to and with Butler, Bam and Lowry on the team, Oladipo doesn't have to be a high 20s scorer, he can be a lower 20s scorer with all the help he'll get. Not to mention, Oladipo makes the defense BETTER and will be able to put out possibly the most switchable defense in the league. Miami's dream of what they could do with Bam when scouting him may finally happen.

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Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season.

Right I hear you, but how do we do that without shipping out a contract at a higher value and receiving one at a lower value? We likely are not trading Tucker, Lowry, Robinson, Jimmy, or Bam. And if we sent Herro out it probably isn't bringing back lower financial contract. Most everyone else is on minimums, so unless I am missing something blatantly obvious (which I could be and we appreciate it being pointed out) then we need to construct our roster for this season with minimal movement in mind.

If you start looking at the money in the next few years, Herro may be the odd man out. I don't think Miami will trade Robinson now(I expect he took less to stay), Butler and Bam will be maxed, Lowry will still be paid the first year of what would be Herro's contract and I'd expect Oladipo to be under contract. Herro will probably get moved this season or in the next offseason depending on Oladipo's recovery because someone is going to be willing to pay Herro more then Miami wants to pay him in 2 years. Maybe you combine Herro and Tucker for a better PF on a solid and long contract. Maybe Herro goes to OKC to get multiple assets for instance Miami's 2023 pick back unlocking the picks behind it.

Miami still has moves to do in the next 2 seasons, it's not as done as some media people believe.

Honestly I personally feel like the better move is giving Jimmy these next two years with this squad to do what he can, and then start rebuilding around Bam and Herro (provided he continues to progress skill wise). I would like for us to keep at least one high potential player on Bam's timeline to help him rebuild. This season and next season was a play to Jimmy's ego and a reward for his effort, but not strategy towards maximizing our chances at a title in the next five years. I would have played it differently and gone young trying to duck the next couple years of Brooklyn and the bucks and develop a roster focused on chemistry and skill development that would come into its own as those two teams slow down (not that Giannis would be, but Jrue and Middleton could be).

[AirP.]

Right I hear you, but how do we do that without shipping out a contract at a higher value and receiving one at a lower value? We likely are not trading Tucker, Lowry, Robinson, Jimmy, or Bam. And if we sent Herro out it probably isn't bringing back lower financial contract. Most everyone else is on minimums, so unless I am missing something blatantly obvious (which I could be and we appreciate it being pointed out) then we need to construct our roster for this season with minimal movement in mind.

If you start looking at the money in the next few years, Herro may be the odd man out. I don't think Miami will trade Robinson now(I expect he took less to stay), Butler and Bam will be maxed, Lowry will still be paid the first year of what would be Herro's contract and I'd expect Oladipo to be under contract. Herro will probably get moved this season or in the next offseason depending on Oladipo's recovery because someone is going to be willing to pay Herro more then Miami wants to pay him in 2 years. Maybe you combine Herro and Tucker for a better PF on a solid and long contract. Maybe Herro goes to OKC to get multiple assets for instance Miami's 2023 pick back unlocking the picks behind it.

Miami still has moves to do in the next 2 seasons, it's not as done as some media people believe.

Honestly I personally feel like the better move is giving Jimmy these next two years with this squad to do what he can, and then start rebuilding around Bam and Herro (provided he continues to progress skill wise). I would like for us to keep at least one high potential player on Bam's timeline to help him rebuild. This season and next season was a play to Jimmy's ego and a reward for his effort, but not strategy towards maximizing our chances at a title in the next five years. I would have played it differently and gone young trying to duck the next couple years of Brooklyn and the bucks and develop a roster focused on chemistry and skill development that would come into its own as those two teams slow down (not that Giannis would be, but Jrue and Middleton could be).

I have a strong feeling Herro won't be around after his rookie contract, you'll still be paying Butler, Bam, Robinson, Lowry(for a year) and quite possibly Oladipo. I would expect Herro will be turned into some draft assets and maybe a useful player. If Herro becomes as good as you hope, he's going to be priced out of Miami matching, if he's not that good you're not building around him.

[DBurks2818]

Surely we are going into the tax this year? Even signing 3 more vet min guys will push us over anyway, might as well utilize the BAE and rest of the MLE to get the best guys we can to round out the roster. Makes no sense to be "all in" but not willing to spend a few mil to fill out our bench.

Really not going to like it if we end up rolling with Vincent, Strus and KZ taking a big chunk of the bench mins.

The problem is we can sign 3 rookie minimums and still fit under the tax. I won’t like it either, but it must be intriguing to Arison lol

Two rookie minimums. We have 3.4 before we hit the tax level meaning they start at 1.7 like we just signed Strus and Vincent for. It's getting stupid at this point. I hope these are not real restrictions and the base is just guessing. It's crazy to think we are going into the season with Strus, Vincent, and KZ relied upon for heavy minutes.

Would they really be heavy minutes though? Even with no further additions I don't see any of them getting more than 15 minutes a game, and I think (hope?) at least KZ and possibly Vincent are ready to get those minutes anyway.

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If you start looking at the money in the next few years, Herro may be the odd man out. I don't think Miami will trade Robinson now(I expect he took less to stay), Butler and Bam will be maxed, Lowry will still be paid the first year of what would be Herro's contract and I'd expect Oladipo to be under contract. Herro will probably get moved this season or in the next offseason depending on Oladipo's recovery because someone is going to be willing to pay Herro more then Miami wants to pay him in 2 years. Maybe you combine Herro and Tucker for a better PF on a solid and long contract. Maybe Herro goes to OKC to get multiple assets for instance Miami's 2023 pick back unlocking the picks behind it.

Miami still has moves to do in the next 2 seasons, it's not as done as some media people believe.

Honestly I personally feel like the better move is giving Jimmy these next two years with this squad to do what he can, and then start rebuilding around Bam and Herro (provided he continues to progress skill wise). I would like for us to keep at least one high potential player on Bam's timeline to help him rebuild. This season and next season was a play to Jimmy's ego and a reward for his effort, but not strategy towards maximizing our chances at a title in the next five years. I would have played it differently and gone young trying to duck the next couple years of Brooklyn and the bucks and develop a roster focused on chemistry and skill development that would come into its own as those two teams slow down (not that Giannis would be, but Jrue and Middleton could be).

I have a strong feeling Herro won't be around after his rookie contract, you'll still be paying Butler, Bam, Robinson, Lowry(for a year) and quite possibly Oladipo. I would expect Herro will be turned into some draft assets and maybe a useful player.

If that turns out to be the case then we need to spotlight him as our six man as much as possible to drive his value up. I don't like our cannibalizing of young talent to take a long shot at a difficult title route, but if we are I want us to make sure we get better value than we did for Nunn. Such as, if we knew Spo and Nunn had problems why not flip him at the deadline for a younger player on a rookie contract from later in the first round. We don't seem to maximize resources which is frustrating to watch.

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Miami can go into the season over the tax and still get under it during the season.

Right I hear you, but how do we do that without shipping out a contract at a higher value and receiving one at a lower value? We likely are not trading Tucker, Lowry, Robinson, Jimmy, or Bam. And if we sent Herro out it probably isn't bringing back lower financial contract. Most everyone else is on minimums, so unless I am missing something blatantly obvious (which I could be and we appreciate it being pointed out) then we need to construct our roster for this season with minimal movement in mind.

If you start looking at the money in the next few years, Herro may be the odd man out. I don't think Miami will trade Robinson now(I expect he took less to stay), Butler and Bam will be maxed, Lowry will still be paid the first year of what would be Herro's contract and I'd expect Oladipo to be under contract. Herro will probably get moved this season or in the next offseason depending on Oladipo's recovery because someone is going to be willing to pay Herro more then Miami wants to pay him in 2 years. Maybe you combine Herro and Tucker for a better PF on a solid and long contract. Maybe Herro goes to OKC to get multiple assets for instance Miami's 2023 pick back unlocking the picks behind it.

Miami still has moves to do in the next 2 seasons, it's not as done as some media people believe. The 3 level scorer Miami needs, Miami still owns Oladipo's Bird rights to and with Butler, Bam and Lowry on the team, Oladipo doesn't have to be a high 20s scorer, he can be a lower 20s scorer with all the help he'll get. Not to mention, Oladipo makes the defense BETTER and will be able to put out possibly the most switchable defense in the league. Miami's dream of what they could do with Bam when scouting him may finally happen.

1. What makes you think that OKC would give anything of value for Herro? Their current business model is to collect 1st round picks, not to help teams out of a pinch for free.

2. I don't know where the Dipo scoring low 20s vs high 20s thing came from, but he's been below 20 every year of his career except for that one season (23.1 ppg).

[AirP.]

The problem is we can sign 3 rookie minimums and still fit under the tax. I won’t like it either, but it must be intriguing to Arison lol

Two rookie minimums. We have 3.4 before we hit the tax level meaning they start at 1.7 like we just signed Strus and Vincent for. It's getting stupid at this point. I hope these are not real restrictions and the base is just guessing. It's crazy to think we are going into the season with Strus, Vincent, and KZ relied upon for heavy minutes.

Would they really be heavy minutes though? Even with no further additions I don't see any of them getting more than 15 minutes a game, and I think (hope?) at least KZ and possibly Vincent are ready to get those minutes anyway.

Won't they be in the D-League?

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Two rookie minimums. We have 3.4 before we hit the tax level meaning they start at 1.7 like we just signed Strus and Vincent for. It's getting stupid at this point. I hope these are not real restrictions and the base is just guessing. It's crazy to think we are going into the season with Strus, Vincent, and KZ relied upon for heavy minutes.

Would they really be heavy minutes though? Even with no further additions I don't see any of them getting more than 15 minutes a game, and I think (hope?) at least KZ and possibly Vincent are ready to get those minutes anyway.

Won't they be in the D-League?

No vincent and Struss and KZ are part of the top ten rotation right now. People we have to account for games missed due to injury and Covid, anyone on our bench is likely to get run this year. These roster spots are valuable, but we also need to keep our eyes on the long game to see what our Front Office has to take into consideration as well.

[DBurks2818]

Two rookie minimums. We have 3.4 before we hit the tax level meaning they start at 1.7 like we just signed Strus and Vincent for. It's getting stupid at this point. I hope these are not real restrictions and the base is just guessing. It's crazy to think we are going into the season with Strus, Vincent, and KZ relied upon for heavy minutes.

Would they really be heavy minutes though? Even with no further additions I don't see any of them getting more than 15 minutes a game, and I think (hope?) at least KZ and possibly Vincent are ready to get those minutes anyway.

Won't they be in the D-League?

Not if the backup PG and SF positions aren't filled with vets. They'd be needed, which is what MWP was arguing I think.

[AirP.]

1. What makes you think that OKC would give anything of value for Herro? Their current business model is to collect 1st round picks, not to help teams out of a pinch for free.

Their current business plan is to try to get some very talented players in the drat, through their picks to trades, until then they'll keep developing players they like and to make the minimum salary cap, keep bring in bad contracts with assets. At some point they have to push forward and with that, overwhelm teams with assets to get the young players they want to move forward with. At the very least they could get Herro, pay him and then move him for picks to a team that want him, Miami probably won't have that luxury after the rookie contract is up.

2. I don't know where the Dipo scoring low 20s vs high 20s thing came from, but he's been below 20 every year of his career except for that one season (23.1 ppg).

People have said Miami needs a big scorer, that's not going to be needed with the team Miami has, they have scorers who can take advantage of bad defenders nearly every position of the floor. So a guy like Oladipo who can shoot 3s, attack the basket and create for himself fits what Miami needs. I didn't mean Oladipo was a high 20s scorer, I ment that's what people think Miami has needed. Miami will be able to hunt mismatches easily with a team that has 4 guys who may be able to take advantage of the 3rd or 4th best defender on the court.

[AirP.]

Would they really be heavy minutes though? Even with no further additions I don't see any of them getting more than 15 minutes a game, and I think (hope?) at least KZ and possibly Vincent are ready to get those minutes anyway.

Won't they be in the D-League?

Not if the backup PG and SF positions aren't filled with vets. They'd be needed, which is what MWP was arguing I think.

PG - Lowry, Vincent some Herro with Butler and Bam able to bring the ball down like they do anyways.
SF - Robinson, Butler, Strus with Tucker able to play there also.

I think Strus will easily outplay his contract, don't sleep on him.

[DBurks2818]

Won't they be in the D-League?

Not if the backup PG and SF positions aren't filled with vets. They'd be needed, which is what MWP was arguing I think.

PG - Lowry, Vincent some Herro with Butler and Bam able to bring the ball down like they do anyways.
SF - Robinson, Butler, Strus with Tucker able to play there also.

I think Strus will easily outplay his contract, don't sleep on him.

Oh for sure, I agree with you on Strus. I think the backups are more needed defensively and for depth.

[RexBoyWonder]

We really, REALLY, need Lowry and Herro to score like crazy if we don't want to be bottom 3 offense this year.

I'm very down on Bam's offensive development, Tucker might be the worst offensive player in the league probably, Duncan is very limited.

Scoring a bucket might look like pulling teeth out.

[DBurks2818]

We really, REALLY, need Lowry and Herro to score like crazy if we don't want to be bottom 3 offense this year.

I'm very down on Bam's offensive development, Tucker might be the worst offensive player in the league probably, Duncan is very limited.

Scoring a bucket might look like pulling teeth out.

Lowry is a significant upgrade over Nunn and Dragic offensively. The only need now is for another person who can drive to basket to break down a defense, whether that's Oladipo come December or someone else. I don't think the team will be as bad on offense as you're making them out to be.

[AirP.]

We really, REALLY, need Lowry and Herro to score like crazy if we don't want to be bottom 3 offense this year.

I'm very down on Bam's offensive development, Tucker might be the worst offensive player in the league probably, Duncan is very limited.

Scoring a bucket might look like pulling teeth out.

Butler should go back into scoring mode, with more cutting to the basket and shooting open 3s.

2 3pt shooters in the starting lineup for spacing with Tucker in the corner on one side, Robinson on the other side.

3 very good playmakers/passers in in the starting lineup Lowry, Butler and Bam.

Much better defense should mean more easy points in transition and with the defense, less time pulling the ball out of the basket and passing it in means less shot clock used up doing that.

More open shots for the 3pt shooters... Robinson, Tucker, Herro, Strus, and Vincent.

A true backup big in Dedmon to counter other bigs.

Possibly adding Oladipo at some point in the season?

Oh.. and more big minute players that are 2 way players.

I don't think it'll be as bad as you think.