Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC

[Guano]

Spoiler:

ffs, spoiler that horror porn
can we ban a site admin?

Sorry you're right. But even the fighter whose leg is in half didn't take it so badly.

fighters are lunatics - and he was probably mad at the dr. for stopping the fight.

[seren]

Nah, team tank is elated. This is one of those moves where people celebrate now then ask why were giving up 114ppg during the season.


I want Kemba to succeed cause he's from NY, but this is the type of move that can backfire big-time. So it's welcomed with open arms.

I don’t think so. This is the type of the move that actually won’t backfire big time. Trading picks to pay Derozan big money is type of move that can backfire big time. This is a move, at its worst, is a slight improvement over what we had in Payton

Why do you all keep mentioning DeRozan? None of the regular posters here wanted to sign him.

Our backcourt will be bad defensively, just how bad is up in the air.

Why? Thibs had one of the best (if not the best at that time) defenses in the league with a backcourt of Rose and scrubs (mostly Korver). You play defense as a team - not as individuals.

[Richard4444]

What is is health status?

He will survive.

[K_ick_God]

I'd love to hear your alternative plan by the way

Stop signing cooked ancient vets and Thibs bathtime buddies and play and develop young players to try to build a good roster around players RJs age.

Not focus on playing players 45 minutes in February vs. the Bulls to eek out 6 more regular season wins only to get anally violated in the playoffs against better teams who rested their players and played young guys.

Use draft picks on players instead of trading them forward while mentally masturbating about trades for Dame.

How's that?

I mean you can't say they didn't try to develop Knox or Frank, and they're developing Mitch and RJ as starters.

[nedleeds]

Dude what's the downside here?

It's not the downside. It's the posters shooting their loads like we got a desirable talent. There is downside in that it's another example of prioritizing the back page and the tickets on sale posters instead of prioritizing young (guard) player development. Kemba isn't a bad guy or a unskilled player. He has an incurable knee condition. I really wish him well. But if any team thought he could play 20 minutes at his prior level he wouldn't be free.

I'm curious, what's his incurable knee condition? Does he have a degenerative condition in his knee such as chronic arthritis? I tried to research his injury history and I couldn't find anything outside of a medial meniscus tear a few years ago which required a subsequent arthroscopic procedure to clean up debris a year afterward. Also late last season he had a bone bruise but in the other leg.

Maybe I missed something on the injury history but if it's just a meniscal tear he didn't recover from properly (i.e. came back too early when he should be rehabbing,) than this seems like something he can work through. There's plenty of players that have had meniscal tear like Russell Westbrook and there are also plenty of atheltes that tore their meniscus that just had it removed so they could come back earlier.

I'm just curious about his knee condition(s) because I didn't see anything from a bunch of websites when I tried to research his injury history outside of a meniscal tear in his left knee.

He has torn and missing cartilege in his left knee.

"Kemba Walker's injured knee and the stem cell program he's on to recover from cartilage damage next week after New Year's Day. "

He started getting on Stem Cell Therapy Winter 2020. Managed to get back for the bubble but it flared up again.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ydzur

"Boston Sports Journal’s Dr. Jessica Flynn hinted that Walker is developing arthritis in his left knee following three surgeries and various career steroidal injections. Walker received an injection to address cartilage loss in February. She expected Walker to continue to manage his knee for the rest of his career. Listening to Stevens talk it certainly sounds like the knee is an issue that is going to require maintenance.

“He’s (Walker) working exceptionally hard. The key to this whole thing with him is just strengthening the knee,” Stevens told Ryan and Goodman. “Just continuing to take this opportunity when we’re not playing, when we’re not practicing to really focus on that."

https://www.clnsmedia.com/kemba-walkers-status-uncertain-for-celtics-opening-night/

He was cooked after last Summer and as your recall couldn't get ready for the start of the year.

Again, I don't hate Kemba Walker and it's a low risk move. I'm saying, we aren't one of the 5 best teams in the East, let's play and develop some of these young guards and actually get a Knick draft pick to a second contract.

[BugginOut]

I know he's been dealing with injuries since the shortened pandemic season but didn't really know what the issue was exactly.

From what I gather he tore his medial mensicus in his left knee a few years ago and had to get a second (minor) arthroscopic surgery to clean up any debridement a year after that which is a common issue with knee surgeries (he had some swelling/fluid buildup.)

Last year he had a bone bruise in his right knee that kept him out late in the season.

We're not talking about an ACL/PCL tear or a horrific Achilles tendon tear. A meniscal injury isn't a death sentence to someone's career. Granted the way he moves on the court he puts a lot of stress on his lower extremities but as long as his MRI shows up clean which I'm sure the Knicks medical staff will have done while he's getting his physical exam and I think we're buying very low on someone of his ability, especially considering he's not that old (31.)

Even last year in an injury riddled season he average over 19 ppg with 5 apg and 4 rpg. He shot over 36% from behind the arc on over 8 attempts per game and shot nearly 90% from the line. Just 2 seasons ago the guy averaged over 25 ppg and was a 3rd team all NBA selection during his last season in Charlotte.

This gives us another shot creator and playmaker to our starting 5 which we were in desperate need of in the playoffs. At the price we got him for, this was an absolute steal. If he rehabs properly this summer and is able to make a full recovery than we just committed a highway robbery.

Last 4 regular season games before he got hurt he averaged 30/4/4 on 66% TS%. He definitely was dealing with his stem cell recovery all season since the new season started so early. If he has a whole offseason to get healthy he could be a beast next year.

[HerSports85]

Mitch and IQ are RJ age and they’ve committed to developing them and did a good job last season. Now we have Grimes and McBride. Oh and everyone seems to forget Obi.

How many young players y’all want? Who do they suppose to learn from?

[seren]

I'm relaxed. It's the other people who think we're getting All-NBA 3rd team Kemba who are emotional. I feel bad for them.

"WE bAcK!" "rEmEmBEr tWo DaYS aGO!"

It shows how deluded and scarred the fan base is. They can't even look at the guys injury history, it would force them to wake up from the dream.

Kind of odd to be calling people deluded sheep, feeling bad for them as clowns and flashing some X-rays that the guy will never walk again. What’s wrong with a little hope. A lot of athletes are moving towards stem cell treatment.

Because thoughts and prayers don't grow cartilage. Because Boston traded him for a wretched contract and had his medicals, they know what the poor guy is dealing with. His left knee is cooked. He's tried everything, I don't doubt his work ethic or competitive spirit. If you have bone bruises its a bad sign, and having less or no cartilage is just never (currently) something that gets better. I'd rather just play the young guards we drafted last year and this year. He'll play 25-30 minutes, get hurt and you'll all act surprised, meanwhile our young players will just drone away on the bench and end up not even getting extensions.

Name the last Knicks draft pick to sign a second contract here?

If he is that bad and is done, he will be sided very quickly and his minutes will go to IQ and the other rookie we got.

I feel like you are protesting a bit too much.

[Guano]

Fuq it, I’m good. Gunna just roll with it. Adding Kemba, Fournier, Deuce, n Grimes to last years squad, plus a Euro stash, projects like Sims and Simms, and a future 1st and 2nd this offseason ain’t too bad. Maybe not the most ideal, but that’s life I guess.

Kemba/DRose/Deuce
Fournier/Quickley/Luca
Barrett/Burks/Grimes
Randle/Toppin/Taj/Simms
Mitch/Noel/Sims

it's really the most realistic optimistic offseason. they didn't fck us up for the foreseeable future, which lets be honest, great. I get being discontent with no big splashes like landing Dame or going in on a young promising star like Lavine or Sexton - but those were dreams. they built a solid team with no real chance to contend. But we will get entertaining hoops all year and might surprise in the 1st round. At least we get to root for Melo deep in the playoffs.

[Cookies4Life]

It's not the downside. It's the posters shooting their loads like we got a desirable talent. There is downside in that it's another example of prioritizing the back page and the tickets on sale posters instead of prioritizing young (guard) player development. Kemba isn't a bad guy or a unskilled player. He has an incurable knee condition. I really wish him well. But if any team thought he could play 20 minutes at his prior level he wouldn't be free.

I'm curious, what's his incurable knee condition? Does he have a degenerative condition in his knee such as chronic arthritis? I tried to research his injury history and I couldn't find anything outside of a medial meniscus tear a few years ago which required a subsequent arthroscopic procedure to clean up debris a year afterward. Also late last season he had a bone bruise but in the other leg.

Maybe I missed something on the injury history but if it's just a meniscal tear he didn't recover from properly (i.e. came back too early when he should be rehabbing,) than this seems like something he can work through. There's plenty of players that have had meniscal tear like Russell Westbrook and there are also plenty of atheltes that tore their meniscus that just had it removed so they could come back earlier.

I'm just curious about his knee condition(s) because I didn't see anything from a bunch of websites when I tried to research his injury history outside of a meniscal tear in his left knee.

He has torn and missing cartilege in his left knee.

"Kemba Walker's injured knee and the stem cell program he's on to recover from cartilage damage next week after New Year's Day. "

He started getting on Stem Cell Therapy Winter 2020. Managed to get back for the bubble but it flared up again.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ydzur

"Boston Sports Journal’s Dr. Jessica Flynn hinted that Walker is developing arthritis in his left knee following three surgeries and various career steroidal injections. Walker received an injection to address cartilage loss in February. She expected Walker to continue to manage his knee for the rest of his career. Listening to Stevens talk it certainly sounds like the knee is an issue that is going to require maintenance.

“He’s (Walker) working exceptionally hard. The key to this whole thing with him is just strengthening the knee,” Stevens told Ryan and Goodman. “Just continuing to take this opportunity when we’re not playing, when we’re not practicing to really focus on that."

https://www.clnsmedia.com/kemba-walkers-status-uncertain-for-celtics-opening-night/

He was cooked after last Summer and as your recall couldn't get ready for the start of the year.

Again, I don't hate Kemba Walker and it's a low risk move. I'm saying, we aren't one of the 5 best teams in the East, let's play and develop some of these young guards and actually get a Knick draft pick to a second contract.

Thanks for the reply, I didn't see that procedure when I was researching his injury report. I also haven't really been watching him since he started playing for the Celtics so i don't know about any steep decline in his play. I wonder how much cartilage was damaged/torn and what therapeutic intervention(s) he can seek out to manage it for the remainder of his career.

[3toheadmelo]

If Kemba and Rose get hurt, we got IQ, Grimes, McBride ready for minutes. If they suck we just get a higher pick. Guess it’s a win win lol

[seren]

Ancient vets? Checks notes. DRose is 32, Walker is 30, Fournier is 28, Burks is 30

[Fury]

It's not the downside. It's the posters shooting their loads like we got a desirable talent. There is downside in that it's another example of prioritizing the back page and the tickets on sale posters instead of prioritizing young (guard) player development. Kemba isn't a bad guy or a unskilled player. He has an incurable knee condition. I really wish him well. But if any team thought he could play 20 minutes at his prior level he wouldn't be free.

I'm curious, what's his incurable knee condition? Does he have a degenerative condition in his knee such as chronic arthritis? I tried to research his injury history and I couldn't find anything outside of a medial meniscus tear a few years ago which required a subsequent arthroscopic procedure to clean up debris a year afterward. Also late last season he had a bone bruise but in the other leg.

Maybe I missed something on the injury history but if it's just a meniscal tear he didn't recover from properly (i.e. came back too early when he should be rehabbing,) than this seems like something he can work through. There's plenty of players that have had meniscal tear like Russell Westbrook and there are also plenty of atheltes that tore their meniscus that just had it removed so they could come back earlier.

I'm just curious about his knee condition(s) because I didn't see anything from a bunch of websites when I tried to research his injury history outside of a meniscal tear in his left knee.

He has torn and missing cartilege in his left knee.

"Kemba Walker's injured knee and the stem cell program he's on to recover from cartilage damage next week after New Year's Day. "

He started getting on Stem Cell Therapy Winter 2020. Managed to get back for the bubble but it flared up again.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ydzur

"Boston Sports Journal’s Dr. Jessica Flynn hinted that Walker is developing arthritis in his left knee following three surgeries and various career steroidal injections. Walker received an injection to address cartilage loss in February. She expected Walker to continue to manage his knee for the rest of his career. Listening to Stevens talk it certainly sounds like the knee is an issue that is going to require maintenance.

“He’s (Walker) working exceptionally hard. The key to this whole thing with him is just strengthening the knee,” Stevens told Ryan and Goodman. “Just continuing to take this opportunity when we’re not playing, when we’re not practicing to really focus on that."

https://www.clnsmedia.com/kemba-walkers-status-uncertain-for-celtics-opening-night/

He was cooked after last Summer and as your recall couldn't get ready for the start of the year.

Again, I don't hate Kemba Walker and it's a low risk move. I'm saying, we aren't one of the 5 best teams in the East, let's play and develop some of these young guards and actually get a Knick draft pick to a second contract.

So if he gets hurt (which is what you think is going to happen), then IQ will get more minutes. What's the issue?

[spree8]

Plus I’m liking the team options on the final years of these contracts. They’re not as bad as we initially thought. My bad Leon, my bad.

[blueNorange]

one thing for sure is the knicks have options if guys aren't having a good game.

between rj, burks, fournier, rose, iq, and walker you're allowed to ride the hot hand.

[guardplay320]

You know who the coach is, right? The rotation is 9 deep.

Quickley is likely the odd man out. Barely any minutes for him in the backcourt.

No way. He’s gonna go Rose and IQ in the backcourt most likely. Burks will be the 3

Burks will be the 3 and play 10 mpg? He was playing 25 mpg last year.

Likely minutes distribution:

Kemba (28) / Rose (20)
Fournier (33)/ Burks (10) Rose (5)
RJ (38)/ Burks (10)
Randle (39) /Obi (7)/ Taj (2)
Mitch (25) / Noel (17) /Taj (6)

I have a 10 man rotation. Thibodeau’s rotation are normally 8-9 deep. You can probably take out Taj’s 8 minutes and spread it around or give them to Quickley. I also think Rose and Kemba will both play 4-5 minutes on the court together if healthy.

My attempt:

Kemba (28) / Rose (20)
RJ (33)/ Quickley (15)
Fournier (33)/ Burks (15)
Randle (38) /Obi (10)
Mitch (25) / Noel (17)

I do not see Taj getting more than 5 minutes (if that) until Mitch or Noel go down. Until then, mostly towel waving and being the great bench cheerleader and motivator that he is.

I can see RJ at more like 33 than 38 minutes (even less many games because Thibs has shown impatience with him at times - if Quickley has the hot hand, he will ride him in those games).

I do not see Burks getting 25 minutes this year with Fournier in the mix. He got all of those minutes out of necessity given their roster.

I think Thibs will also mix and match depending on flow of the game so even though I have al of RJ's 35 minutes at SG, he could also see some SF time depending on how Fournier and Burks are going.

With all of this, we assume health, and we have two injury prone PG's and two injury prone C's which will force minutes to shift around at times. Quickley will find plenty of time this year as the season goes on, even if his initial minutes are more limited than last year.

[nedleeds]

I'd love to hear your alternative plan by the way

Stop signing cooked ancient vets and Thibs bathtime buddies and play and develop young players to try to build a good roster around players RJs age.

Not focus on playing players 45 minutes in February vs. the Bulls to eek out 6 more regular season wins only to get anally violated in the playoffs against better teams who rested their players and played young guys.

Use draft picks on players instead of trading them forward while mentally masturbating about trades for Dame.

How's that?

I mean you can't say they didn't try to develop Knox or Frank, and they're developing Mitch and RJ as starters.

Who knows, Thibs won't let them fail. He wants to beat the Tatum-less Celtics in December so bad his ass hurts. Knox and Frank don't look great but they were shooting 39-40% from 3 on the team the was routinely facing zone defense while the opposing coaches laughed. IQ, Obi got **** for minutes while Randle led the league in minutes and Thibs played the worst point guard in the league starter minutes. I get that what I think should happen won't happen with this fake win coach.

[DOT]

So if he gets hurt (which is what you think is going to happen), then IQ will get more minutes. What's the issue?

I mean, it's much more likely that Burks gets more minutes if one of Kemba/Rose gets hurt than Quick

That's basically what we did last year, and we just gave him a significant pay raise.

[nedleeds]

I'm curious, what's his incurable knee condition? Does he have a degenerative condition in his knee such as chronic arthritis? I tried to research his injury history and I couldn't find anything outside of a medial meniscus tear a few years ago which required a subsequent arthroscopic procedure to clean up debris a year afterward. Also late last season he had a bone bruise but in the other leg.

Maybe I missed something on the injury history but if it's just a meniscal tear he didn't recover from properly (i.e. came back too early when he should be rehabbing,) than this seems like something he can work through. There's plenty of players that have had meniscal tear like Russell Westbrook and there are also plenty of atheltes that tore their meniscus that just had it removed so they could come back earlier.

I'm just curious about his knee condition(s) because I didn't see anything from a bunch of websites when I tried to research his injury history outside of a meniscal tear in his left knee.

He has torn and missing cartilege in his left knee.

"Kemba Walker's injured knee and the stem cell program he's on to recover from cartilage damage next week after New Year's Day. "

He started getting on Stem Cell Therapy Winter 2020. Managed to get back for the bubble but it flared up again.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ydzur

"Boston Sports Journal’s Dr. Jessica Flynn hinted that Walker is developing arthritis in his left knee following three surgeries and various career steroidal injections. Walker received an injection to address cartilage loss in February. She expected Walker to continue to manage his knee for the rest of his career. Listening to Stevens talk it certainly sounds like the knee is an issue that is going to require maintenance.

“He’s (Walker) working exceptionally hard. The key to this whole thing with him is just strengthening the knee,” Stevens told Ryan and Goodman. “Just continuing to take this opportunity when we’re not playing, when we’re not practicing to really focus on that."

https://www.clnsmedia.com/kemba-walkers-status-uncertain-for-celtics-opening-night/

He was cooked after last Summer and as your recall couldn't get ready for the start of the year.

Again, I don't hate Kemba Walker and it's a low risk move. I'm saying, we aren't one of the 5 best teams in the East, let's play and develop some of these young guards and actually get a Knick draft pick to a second contract.

So if he gets hurt (which is what you think is going to happen), then IQ will get more minutes. What's the issue?

That we could just not sign cooked vets and show confidence in our promising young PG? Acknowledge that we aren't a contending team and join the real world. I mean isn't that pretty obvious.

[Capn'O]

This is my daily reminder that yall overreacted two days ago, you bunch of crybabies.

This move and team construction warrants putting some of the younger players on ice. I'm with it.