Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[Asif16]

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[douggood]

Pat Riley is this you? Woj? If there was no possibility of anything being left to announce on the Miami side, it would have already been announced... Consequently, I'll wait until I completely lose my ****

Dude, I can argue whatever perspective I would like... The fact is the Raptors have taken on 19m for a player we really don't want, if we did, we wouldn't be trying to move him right now and the del would already be announced... You don't take on 19m for NOTHING, so what hill would you like to die on? Did we take on 19m dollars as a favour for an outgoing player in Lowry (which is utter stupidity), or did you take on 19m for a prospect in Achuiwa that you are really interested in?

How is K.Lowry the number one Free Agent of the summer, "the domino," yet somehow D.Graham and D.Derozan get better value in the S&T market? Don't go back to this, "Miami could have signed him outright", because it's clear it's been advantageous in every way for them to operate above the cap. The Bulls had the cap space too, but they also want to do multiple moves.

woj and multiple media have announced the trade, its achiuwa and dragic for lowry. the only ambiguity is if raptors flip dragic.

raptors got SOMETHING; achiuwa, MLE and BAE and what ever small asset dragic is or we get something small in return for him.

if the raptors had signed Malik Monlk using MLE and Birch using the BAE already, would you have been happy with the trade then.

They have NOT announced it... No deal has been finalized, & even in those preliminary announcements, they said possible additional draft compensation.

Hmmm would I rather 17m-20m in space + the room exemption vs Dragic, Achuiwa, & an MLE where there is nothing left on the market that is worth the MLE? I'll go with the former, & let Miami figure out how to fill out there roster.

NONE of the deals you have heard about have been finalized
and there is lots of ambiguity in lots of trades signings, just because you follow the raptors you may not know the other ones.
1 - how are the kings resignings holmes for 4 year 55 when its not legal
2 - why isnt the tristan thompson delon wright trade still in limbo whiles it been reported for over a week.
3 - dinwidde to washington, but how?

and i will tell you why there was more ambiguity in reporting of kyle lowry s&t with miami and other more firmer deals

lowry news broke leaked before 6pm on monday; and stronger words from woj could have raised more eyebrows from nba headoffice than you want, thats why its reported as when possible dragic and achiuwa

but go read espn now, its dragic and achiuwa for lowry
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31944554/miami-heat-land-kyle-lowry-retain-duncan-robinson-5-year-90-million-deal

[Skeezo]

Goddamn and we used to think senior swag daddy was a bad offseason

Looking at the photos of GTJ, Rich Paul, Masai, Bobby, and GTJ's wardrobe & handbag, I got some horrible flashbacks

[dkb9696]

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It is probably sad how much relief this gives me if true.

[bluerap23]

Correct. We should put that fallacy to bed right away.

Lowry could not have been signed outright by the Heat. The Heat would need to renounce all of their capholds (expirings and RFAs) in order to open up that space. Even then still, I don't think they had $30M.

So the Heat needed to do a S&T. Otherwise, Lowry would have likely chosen the Pels as they were the biggest other players in the market.

As far as I can tell, the Heat could have offered a starting salary of $27.5M by renouncing their low level FAs and by pulling Robinson's QO while keeping his rights and cap hold (and renouncing Nunn). That scales to 3/87M. So slightly shy of 3/90 but not by so much that Lowry would go to New Orleans for that difference. They had the leverage.

But they also wanted the SnT, it got them the ability to keep their low level RFAs/options, offer Lowry even closer to 90M if not the whole thing (depends on what is coming in the trade), and keep their MLE and BAE instead of just the room MLE.

That's correct.

If you think that 3 million wasn't important to Lowry, you don't know Lowry.

[Asif16]

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It is probably sad how much relief this gives me if true.

Khem Birch is severely underrated. This is a very good move. Low Usage and high efficiency player. With a long wingspan. Tough as nails too

[Skeezo]

woj and multiple media have announced the trade, its achiuwa and dragic for lowry. the only ambiguity is if raptors flip dragic.

raptors got SOMETHING; achiuwa, MLE and BAE and what ever small asset dragic is or we get something small in return for him.

if the raptors had signed Malik Monlk using MLE and Birch using the BAE already, would you have been happy with the trade then.

They have NOT announced it... No deal has been finalized, & even in those preliminary announcements, they said possible additional draft compensation.

Hmmm would I rather 17m-20m in space + the room exemption vs Dragic, Achuiwa, & an MLE where there is nothing left on the market that is worth the MLE? I'll go with the former, & let Miami figure out how to fill out there roster.

NONE of the deals you have heard about have been finalized
and there is lots of ambiguity in lots of trades signings, just because you follow the raptors you may not know the other ones.
1 - how are the kings resignings holmes for 4 year 55 when they arent allowed to unless they create cap space
2 - why isnt the tristan thompson delon wright trade still in limbo whiles it been reported for over a week.

and i will tell you why there was more ambiguity in reporting of kyle lowry s&t with miami and other more firmer deals

lowry news broke leaked before 6pm on monday; and stronger words from woj could have raised more eyebrows from nba headoffice than you want, thats why its reported as when possible dragic and achiuwa

but go read espn now, its dragic and achiuwa for lowry
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31944554/miami-heat-land-kyle-lowry-retain-duncan-robinson-5-year-90-million-deal

I understand how the moratorium works dude... and you just said it, the reporting of the Lowry deal HAS BEEN DIFFERENT... So, you have your perspective of why that is, & I have mine. Unless you are Pat or Masai, I don't think you are any more informed than I.

[ATLTimekeeper]

This Lowry stuff is extremely small potatoes. You have to have a serious agenda to be teeth gnashing over this stuff. They accommodated him for his service, and they intend to build a statue around him. For their trouble they get Dragic and Achiuwa back. Maybe Achiuwa ends up a serviceable bench big, maybe not. He's an extra part right now. Maybe Dragic turns into something else, maybe he's bought out. The cost is not participating in an underwhelming FA market.

[Indeed]

Raps will also have full MLE and BAE which they have not used yet. I suspect a good part of MLE is going to BIrch. Can still acquire 2 more players or save if needed in season.

They'd still fall below the tax right after using both exceptions?

getting close to it, but will be safe

Should be below tax without using BAE. And I am not sure we need to acquire 2 more players after Birch. Unless we have both our 2nd round picks being assigned with 2-way contracts, otherwise, we only need 1 more spot.

And in case we are trading Dragic and wish to keep a roster spot open, we may want unguarantee contract for that last spot?

[douggood]

They'd still fall below the tax right after using both exceptions?

getting close to it, but will be safe

Should be below tax without using BAE. And I am not sure we need to acquire 2 more players after Birch. Unless we have both our 2nd round picks being assigned with 2-way contracts, otherwise, we only need 1 more spot.

And in case we are trading Dragic and wish to keep a roster spot open, we may want unguarantee contract for that last spot?

we signed justin champainge to one of our 2-way contracts, we could always cut him if needed.

[Courtside]

They have NOT announced it... No deal has been finalized, & even in those preliminary announcements, they said possible additional draft compensation.

Hmmm would I rather 17m-20m in space + the room exemption vs Dragic, Achuiwa, & an MLE where there is nothing left on the market that is worth the MLE? I'll go with the former, & let Miami figure out how to fill out there roster.

NONE of the deals you have heard about have been finalized
and there is lots of ambiguity in lots of trades signings, just because you follow the raptors you may not know the other ones.
1 - how are the kings resignings holmes for 4 year 55 when they arent allowed to unless they create cap space
2 - why isnt the tristan thompson delon wright trade still in limbo whiles it been reported for over a week.

and i will tell you why there was more ambiguity in reporting of kyle lowry s&t with miami and other more firmer deals

lowry news broke leaked before 6pm on monday; and stronger words from woj could have raised more eyebrows from nba headoffice than you want, thats why its reported as when possible dragic and achiuwa

but go read espn now, its dragic and achiuwa for lowry
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31944554/miami-heat-land-kyle-lowry-retain-duncan-robinson-5-year-90-million-deal

I understand how the moratorium works dude... and you just said it, the reporting of the Lowry deal HAS BEEN DIFFERENT... So, you have your perspective of why that is, & I have mine. Unless you are Pat or Masai, I don't think you are any more informed than I.

He's not more informed on this exact scenario, but it's pretty clear he's smarter and can read between the lines better.

[Indeed]

getting close to it, but will be safe

Should be below tax without using BAE. And I am not sure we need to acquire 2 more players after Birch. Unless we have both our 2nd round picks being assigned with 2-way contracts, otherwise, we only need 1 more spot.

And in case we are trading Dragic and wish to keep a roster spot open, we may want unguarantee contract for that last spot?

we signed justin champainge to one of our 2-way contracts, we could always cut him if needed.

Oh yeah, I forgot. So w are only 1 roster away, and I suppose that could be an unguarantee contract with the purpose of creating room to trade Dragic.

Still I don't feel we addressed our lack of big C issue, while our offense from guards are rather limited as well.

[canz55]

This Lowry stuff is extremely small potatoes. You have to have a serious agenda to be teeth gnashing over this stuff. They accommodated him for his service, and they intend to build a statue around him. For their trouble they get Dragic and Achiuwa back. Maybe Achiuwa ends up a serviceable bench big, maybe not. He's an extra part right now. Maybe Dragic turns into something else, maybe he's bought out. The cost is not participating in an underwhelming FA market.

Exactly.

I don't understand the frustration and anger being dolled out over an FA market that ultimately had nothing we wanted nor needed,

[aligator]

If Dragic were to be bought out at reasonable amount, 2 players could be added while staying under the tax. Don't know whether team wants to go that route.

[Skeezo]

NONE of the deals you have heard about have been finalized
and there is lots of ambiguity in lots of trades signings, just because you follow the raptors you may not know the other ones.
1 - how are the kings resignings holmes for 4 year 55 when they arent allowed to unless they create cap space
2 - why isnt the tristan thompson delon wright trade still in limbo whiles it been reported for over a week.

and i will tell you why there was more ambiguity in reporting of kyle lowry s&t with miami and other more firmer deals

lowry news broke leaked before 6pm on monday; and stronger words from woj could have raised more eyebrows from nba headoffice than you want, thats why its reported as when possible dragic and achiuwa

but go read espn now, its dragic and achiuwa for lowry
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31944554/miami-heat-land-kyle-lowry-retain-duncan-robinson-5-year-90-million-deal

I understand how the moratorium works dude... and you just said it, the reporting of the Lowry deal HAS BEEN DIFFERENT... So, you have your perspective of why that is, & I have mine. Unless you are Pat or Masai, I don't think you are any more informed than I.

He's not more informed on this exact scenario, but it's pretty clear he's smarter and can read between the lines better.

Well that is YOUR perspective Courtside... You used to be a pretty balanced guy... I've noticed you've gotten much more aggressive over the past couple years? You're not normally the attacking guy, you okay?

[Pooh_Jeter]

This Lowry stuff is extremely small potatoes. You have to have a serious agenda to be teeth gnashing over this stuff. They accommodated him for his service, and they intend to build a statue around him. For their trouble they get Dragic and Achiuwa back. Maybe Achiuwa ends up a serviceable bench big, maybe not. He's an extra part right now. Maybe Dragic turns into something else, maybe he's bought out. The cost is not participating in an underwhelming FA market.

Exactly.

I don't understand the frustration and anger being dolled out over an FA market that ultimately had nothing we wanted nor needed,

So one of the main selling points of the GTJ for Norm deal was GTJ's small cap hold which would allow the Raptors to be players in free agency.

There was no reason to deal Lowry for "pennies" on the dollar because worst case the Raptors would have cap flexibility if he walked

Now it's no big deal the Raptors are capped out and received fewer assets than they would have at the deadline because this FA class sucks?

Seems like this is just an attempt to justify poor asset management.

[Mikistan]

This Lowry stuff is extremely small potatoes. You have to have a serious agenda to be teeth gnashing over this stuff. They accommodated him for his service, and they intend to build a statue around him. For their trouble they get Dragic and Achiuwa back. Maybe Achiuwa ends up a serviceable bench big, maybe not. He's an extra part right now. Maybe Dragic turns into something else, maybe he's bought out. The cost is not participating in an underwhelming FA market.

Exactly.

I don't understand the frustration and anger being dolled out over an FA market that ultimately had nothing we wanted nor needed,

People got mad at paid 17m for Trent Jr a player we actually wanted. Now we are paying 19m for a player we don't even want!!!

[Courtside]

I understand how the moratorium works dude... and you just said it, the reporting of the Lowry deal HAS BEEN DIFFERENT... So, you have your perspective of why that is, & I have mine. Unless you are Pat or Masai, I don't think you are any more informed than I.

He's not more informed on this exact scenario, but it's pretty clear he's smarter and can read between the lines better.

Well that is YOUR perspective Courtside... You used to be a pretty balanced guy... I've noticed you've gotten much more aggressive over the past couple years? You're not normally the attacking guy, you okay?

I'm no more aggressive or attacking now than before... ask around and there are enough people who don't like me. It's more because I I don't suffer fools gladly, or have much patience for trolly contrarians and/or posters with obvious agendas to hate on the team/org/etc... There has been a huge increase in both over the last 3-5 years here. Many are duplicate accounts that RGM has no willingness to clean up, which is why you see me a lot less as well.

Otherwise I'm as balanced and positive as ever

[Syd-TK3]

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred Vanvleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Honestly thats not a bad roster. They're gonna surprise a lot of you. Especially now that they back in Toronto

I know Dragic can still be a good player if healthy but he just looks so outta place on our team, I don't even know who he'd have chemistry with outside of precious

[WetLikeWater]

getting close to it, but will be safe

Should be below tax without using BAE. And I am not sure we need to acquire 2 more players after Birch. Unless we have both our 2nd round picks being assigned with 2-way contracts, otherwise, we only need 1 more spot.

And in case we are trading Dragic and wish to keep a roster spot open, we may want unguarantee contract for that last spot?

we signed justin champainge to one of our 2-way contracts, we could always cut him if needed.

That's a bad idea!! I rather have champainge than Khem Birch, he has a brighter future!