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[and1GS]

Can someone explain this to me because I may be missing something...

NBA allows 15 man roster and 2 'two way' spots. Warriors generally roll with 14. Our current roster is:
1) Steph
2) Klay
3) Dray
4) Wiggins
5) Wiseman
6) Kum Bucket
7) Mannion
8) Looney
9) Poole
10) Paschall
11) JTA
12) Otto Porter Jr.
13) Bjelica
14) Moody

We have team options on: Damion Lee, Gary Payton Jr., Mulder

We have no 2-way players signed right now, but I believe only Jessup would be an option here (or summer league standouts obviously). The first round rookies can't be signed to a two-way...right?

If that's all correct...I don't see how we sign anybody else? We would need to move on from someone (probably Paschall) if we wanted to bring someone in. I'd also be very surprised if they don't pick up Damion Lee's team option.

Is this all right? Really appreciate anyone willing to help me get smart on this. Not a cap or roster wizard anymore.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I don't think Mannion is on the roster. He's a two-way. I think we'll just tell him to kick rocks when we sign a real player.

[ChuckDurn]

Can someone explain this to me because I may be missing something...

NBA allows 15 man roster and 2 'two way' spots. Warriors generally roll with 14. Our current roster is:
1) Steph
2) Klay
3) Dray
4) Wiggins
5) Wiseman
6) Kum Bucket
7) Mannion
8) Looney
9) Poole
10) Paschall
11) JTA
12) Otto Porter Jr.
13) Bjelica
14) Moody

We have team options on: Damion Lee, Gary Payton Jr., Mulder

We have no 2-way players signed right now, but I believe only Jessup would be an option here (or summer league standouts obviously).

Jessup's NBL contract prohibits him from signing a 2-way contract in the NBA this year. He'd have to be signed to a full deal (roster spot). There is a loophole whereby we'd sign him to a full deal, cut him (put him on waivers, where other teams can then sign him), and try to sign him to a 2-was deal if he goes unclaimed, but that seems really risky and unlikely.

Also, I believe Mannion is a restricted free agent, and we could sign him to either a 2-way deal (if he's open to it), a full deal, or we could let him walk.

The first round rookies can't be signed to a two-way...right?

Correct.

If that's all correct...I don't see how we sign anybody else? We would need to move on from someone (probably Paschall) if we wanted to bring someone in. I'd also be very surprised if they don't pick up Damion Lee's team option.

Is this all right? Really appreciate anyone willing to help me get smart on this. Not a cap or roster wizard anymore.

And herein is why it makes some sense to move Paschall to potentially free up a roster spot.

[tal57]

The team still needs one more key player. If they get RJ (the #1 option left), or Schroeder if RJ resigns, I'll take that and run. To me Batum was the perfect x factor to turn this team into a championship contender, RJ is the next closest thing even if he doesn't play like he did last PS.

Agree on Jackson but IMO the team still needs a big body at the C spot. Wiseman is still an equation’s unknown quantity and looney is not that type of big. Chriss, injury aside, wouldn’t be the answer neither.

I guess the question is what would the priority be? If we assume we are at 13 spots taken (Curry, Klay, Dray, Wiggins, Looney, Wiseman, Poole, JTA, Kuminga, Moody, OPJ, Belly, Paschall), that leaves 2 left if we go up to 15 but only 1 left if the team wants the flexibility of keeping the 15th spot open for flexibility. If we assume Paschall gets moved, that makes it 12. If we have 3 spots left, our choices are, among others, another big, a PG, Iggy (who could be considered as the PG), and a scrum between Lee (whom we have a team option), Mulder, GP2, and Jessup (assuming Mannion could get another 2-way). But if the team wants to keep the last slot open, then its only 2 left. What would be the priority for those 2 spots - a 4th big, a PG (Iguodala or someone else), or another shooter (Lee, Mulder, Jessup)?

My preferences are:

Trading Paschall would be essential, I hope it is feasible for the 2nd round pick

Mulder should be gone, he didn't show such premier shooting worth keeping in lieu of his other shortcomings.

Iggy and Chriss for 13th and 14th spots.

That leaves one spot, up to the GS brass to contemplate.
1. Leave it open, keep Jessup oversees and let Lee go
2. Depending if Jessup proves to be the real deal over summer league and training camp, fill in the 15th spot with him and let Lee go.
3. If Lee and Jessup are tossup, keep Lee for his ties to Curry.

The only other out of the blue, pipedream scenario is if Shroeder doesn't get anything somewhere else and takes one year TRMLE from GS to stick it to the LAL for not giving him the money he wanted.

[tal57]

Yep, Ingles is getting older. But he makes less than half of what Wiggins makes, despite statistically being miles superior to him on every efficiency-based offense metric, and is actually not much worse defensively. Check out their offensive ratings, defensive ratings, and win shares/48, and it’s not even arguable.

I know this would be crazy controversial and very unpopular, but Ingles’ “ugly game” is actually way more effective than Wiggins’ game, at least on offense. And with Porter, Moody, JTA, and potentially a little bit of Kuminga, it’s not like we would need Ingles (or Wiggins, for that matter) to play 35 minutes a game.

But yeah, this idea definitely isn’t for everyone.

If you speak purely basketball, I perfectly see your Ingles angle. Loose athleticism but gain so much in other aspects of GS game, the net result could be very much positive. That problem is, Utah is dangling Ingles to shed payroll. Why in the world they be interested in Wiggins from the money standpoint.

Go back in the thread - my proposal has Wiggins going to OKC, not Utah, so Utah achieves the salary reduction they're looking for.

Got you, saw that after I had posted the reply.

[osx28]

Oh I'd LOVE to get Ingles, just not at that price. Oubre/Paschall for Ingles and it's a no brainer.

I think I read Bobby Marks saying that we can't get any salary back for Oubre in an S&T, is it because we'd be hard capped? Joe ingles would be worth hard capping ourselves I think.
Especially if it was at the price you mention or even adding a future protected first.

Add Neto to Ingles, Porter, Bielitza, Poole and Wiseman and you got a top 10 bench for sure. The rooks would just be icing on the cake if they can contribute

We're not hard-capped (by the league) right now, and as long as we don't try to RECEIVE a player via sign-and-trade (i.e. a player who is currently a free agent, who is signed for the purpose of trading to us), we wouldn't be hard-capped in sending Oubre out via sign-and-trade. (And practically speaking, it's not an option for us to get hard-capped, because with Curry, Klay, Draymond, and Wiggins, we already way over the hard cap, and we would have to shed some of them to get back under it).

I suspect Marks is reacting to the statements from Lacob and Myers that basically imply that they aren't going to add more salary, because of the luxury tax penalties they're dealing with. In other words, a self-imposed financial limit, rather than a league-imposed hard cap.

Ah I see, thanks so much for the clarification.

[michaelwarner]

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[xdrta+]

Mannion has a QO for a two-way (50k guaranteed) so unless another team makes him an offer he's a lock for a two-way. The 50 game limit rule for two-ways will be carried over from last year. Unlike last year, a two-way player won't be eligible for the post-season.

[killmongrel]

I think we just need to sign Iggy for the vet. minimum and call it a day.

[Sam Lowry Jr]

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A follow-up trade in the works?

[Samurai]

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A follow-up trade in the works?

Getting a second round pick for Paschall, who basically no longer had any role on this team with Belly's signing, is a good move. Frees up his roster spot.

[tal57]

Well, Paschall had been traded to Utah for protected 2nd round pick.
Space clearing, money clearing move.
Bring in Iggy, if he doesn't demand the MLE. I don't think Lacob will give it to him no matter how much they'd love to bring him back.
It wouldn't make any financial sense for GS to bring Iggy on MLE.

Hopefully bring in Chriss and call it a day.

I think it is the waiting game now for GS, see who'll line up at their door they'd like to chose from.

[and1GS]

Lol welp there's my answer to 'how will we open up another roster spot?'

[ahmetmekin]

So probably there will be a C acquisition. Baynes for min maybe?

[ChuckDurn]

Can someone explain this to me because I may be missing something...

NBA allows 15 man roster and 2 'two way' spots. Warriors generally roll with 14. Our current roster is:
1) Steph
2) Klay
3) Dray
4) Wiggins
5) Wiseman
6) Kum Bucket
7) Mannion
8) Looney
9) Poole
10) Paschall
11) JTA
12) Otto Porter Jr.
13) Bjelica
14) Moody

We have team options on: Damion Lee, Gary Payton Jr., Mulder

We have no 2-way players signed right now, but I believe only Jessup would be an option here (or summer league standouts obviously).

Jessup's NBL contract prohibits him from signing a 2-way contract in the NBA this year. He'd have to be signed to a full deal (roster spot). There is a loophole whereby we'd sign him to a full deal, cut him (put him on waivers, where other teams can then sign him), and try to sign him to a 2-was deal if he goes unclaimed, but that seems really risky and unlikely.

Also, I believe Mannion is a restricted free agent, and we could sign him to either a 2-way deal (if he's open to it), a full deal, or we could let him walk.

The first round rookies can't be signed to a two-way...right?

Correct.

If that's all correct...I don't see how we sign anybody else? We would need to move on from someone (probably Paschall) if we wanted to bring someone in. I'd also be very surprised if they don't pick up Damion Lee's team option.

Is this all right? Really appreciate anyone willing to help me get smart on this. Not a cap or roster wizard anymore.

And herein is why it makes some sense to move Paschall to potentially free up a roster spot.

Posted 48 minutes before Woj’s tweet came out……

[ChuckDurn]

So probably there will be a C acquisition. Baynes for min maybe?

2018 Baynes would have been great, but unfortunately, in 2021 Baynes is too injury-prone and with slipping skills (his main claim to fame he’s been shooting the 3, but he hit only 26% last year). Pass on him…….

[Impuniti]

Well, Paschall had been traded to Utah for protected 2nd round pick.
Space clearing, money clearing move.
Bring in Iggy, if he doesn't demand the MLE. I don't think Lacob will give it to him no matter how much they'd love to bring him back.
It wouldn't make any financial sense for GS to bring Iggy on MLE.

Hopefully bring in Chriss and call it a day.

I think it is the waiting game now for GS, see who'll line up at their door they'd like to chose from.

They would be insane to give Iggy the MLE, min only if he wants a spot.

[ahmetmekin]

So probably there will be a C acquisition. Baynes for min maybe?

2018 Baynes would have been great, but unfortunately, in 2021 Baynes is too injury-prone and with slipping skills (his main claim to fame he’s been shooting the 3, but he hit only 26% last year). Pass on him…….

We should have targetted RoLo.

[ChuckDurn]

So probably there will be a C acquisition. Baynes for min maybe?

2018 Baynes would have been great, but unfortunately, in 2021 Baynes is too injury-prone and with slipping skills (his main claim to fame he’s been shooting the 3, but he hit only 26% last year). Pass on him…….

We should have targetted RoLo.

We might have done so, but he signed for $5M in Orlando, and I doubt we’d have offered that much. (And in my opinion, nor should we have.)

[xdrta+]

So probably there will be a C acquisition. Baynes for min maybe?

I think Baynes will get a camp invite to some team, at best.