Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

drsd · Post #221 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 8:52 am

SOUL wrote:All in? he's reclassifying to this upcoming draft so it would be Chet, Banchero, Bates, Hardy, etc.

If you hear "potential NBA lottery pick", there is too much money available to wait a year.

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drsd · Post #222 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 9:00 am

PrimeThyme wrote:
SOUL wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kinda big for us...

Everything I've read states he will still have to wait until the 2023 class due to him not meeting the age requirement.

Reading the Coons FAQ, there are a lot of things that make a player eligible, such as being a year removed from high-school (which is what is being attempted here). But there is a hard fact, a player must be 19 years old by 31 December in the year they are drafted. Via Coons' views, I can see no exception to that.

Joshua Primo is an example this year. His birthday is 24 December 2022, so he is eligible by 7 days. If he is born 8-days later, he would have had to wait no matter that he had a year at Alabama. Yes I can see a court case in this. Especially if said player was professional in the G-league or somewhere else for a year. But for now, Bates being born on 28 January makes him a month too young for the next NBA draft.

jezzerinho · Post #223 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:00 am

Can anyone remind me what JI's injury status is? I think I saw something a while back on it but can't find it now. Was there word on whether he'll start the season?

Fultz, iirc, was reported to already be around 80% back, which must mean his tear was a lot less serious.

basketballRob · Post #224 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:17 am

Skin wrote:This thread needs an updated title. This one irritates me. lol

The Mosley Era... A Fresh Start... New Kids on the Block.... Something anything is better than this.

How about space and space edition.

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drsd · Post #225 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:17 am

jezzerinho wrote:Can anyone remind me what JI's injury status is? I think I saw something a while back on it but can't find it now. Was there word on whether he'll start the season?

Fultz, iirc, was reported to already be around 80% back, which must mean his tear was a lot less serious.

Jonathan Isaac is making strides in his knee rehab: Athletic link

When will he play in an NBA game again?

“I can’t give you that,” Isaac said, still smiling, tilting his head as if to apologize for the secrecy. “I really can’t give you that. But I’m feeling good. I’ve been able to really kind of get moving as of late. I’ve been able to get some work done with Coach on the court, so I feel good. I don’t have a specific timeline on anything, but I’m OK. I’m getting there.”

p.s. Fultz is out of his brace and is on-court for shooting. His mobility is not there at all though.

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tiderulz · Post #226 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:47 am

drsd wrote:p.s. Fultz is out of his brace and is on-court for shooting. His mobility is not there at all though.

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gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

OrlandoMagic · Post #227 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 1:26 pm

I hope this is not heart and hustle 2.0 I can’t go with a 41-41 season to miss the playoffs by a tie breaker than end up with a horrible draft on top of that.

Nyce_1 · Post #228 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:26 pm

tiderulz wrote:
drsd wrote:p.s. Fultz is out of his brace and is on-court for shooting. His mobility is not there at all though.

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gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

He's not worried. The FO has always viewed him as a combo-guard, capable of excelling at 1 or 2. When healthy (*and not on restrictions*), he'll be a starter in the backcourt.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #229 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:27 pm

tiderulz wrote:
drsd wrote:p.s. Fultz is out of his brace and is on-court for shooting. His mobility is not there at all though.

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gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

Umm we found out this information before Suggs was drafted

tiderulz · Post #230 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:30 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
drsd wrote:p.s. Fultz is out of his brace and is on-court for shooting. His mobility is not there at all though.

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gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

Umm we found out this information before Suggs was drafted

yes. But Suggs to me is more of a threat to Fultz than if we had drafted Barnes at 5 (or whoever else)

tiderulz · Post #231 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:31 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
drsd wrote:p.s. Fultz is out of his brace and is on-court for shooting. His mobility is not there at all though.

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gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

He's not worried. The FO has always viewed him as a combo-guard, capable of excelling at 1 or 2. When healthy (*and not on restrictions*), he'll be a starter in the backcourt.

not if he cant fix that outside shot

Nyce_1 · Post #232 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:48 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

He's not worried. The FO has always viewed him as a combo-guard, capable of excelling at 1 or 2. When healthy (*and not on restrictions*), he'll be a starter in the backcourt.

not if he cant fix that outside shot

Personally, I think he will be our lead guard, so whoever is off ball (Suggs) and if they are a + shooter (which, i project him to be), I'm not worried about his lack of 3-ball. Sure, it would be nice if he could shoot 35% from 3 on 6 attempts, but not a requirement for him to succeed here. We'll see.

I have him, Suggs, and JI sharpied as starters on the best version of this team. Chuma/Wagner battle for the other wing spot and WCJ/Bamba battle for C (WC's to lose right now). RJ is wild card.

GelbeWand09 · Post #233 » by **GelbeWand09** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:48 pm

RookieStar wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Scuttlebutt been going around with the success of the GL mercenaries...I mean IGNITE plus the options overseas like NBL, they aren't in a rush to do that anymore. Who knows, as you said..we will see.

So should I start the :

" Bet on Chet "
"Don't be a hero for Banchero "
"Masterbates for Bates " ( sorry I had to and you know it )

"We swam in drama for Wembanyama"?

Too early. He is still 17yrs old so.. next next draft.

But you got the spirit. Hold it in our warehouse for now in case we still tanking by then.

Too bad, he is 4 days too young for the 2022 draft

Damn, with him next years draft would be really really good at the top.

magic22s · Post #234 » by **magic22s** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 2:57 pm

OrlandoMagic wrote:I hope this is not heart and hustle 2.0 I can’t go with a 41-41 season to miss the playoffs by a tie breaker than end up with a horrible draft on top of that.

I believe we get a lot of lessons from Heart and Hustle Magic of 2000.

This will be a magical year for us. Let's have fun together!

drsd · Post #235 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 3:35 pm

OrlandoMagic wrote:I hope this is not heart and hustle 2.0 I can’t go with a 41-41 season to miss the playoffs by a tie breaker than end up with a horrible draft on top of that.

It isn't. HnH was a bunch of G-league vets (as it would be called today). What Orlando has now is Kindergarten-Ball. I am curious to see if it works as the Magic will be able to out run every team in the league (that is trying to win games).

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drsd · Post #236 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 3:37 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:He's not worried. The FO has always viewed him as a combo-guard, capable of excelling at 1 or 2. When healthy (*and not on restrictions*), he'll be a starter in the backcourt.

If Fultz develops a >35% three-ball, the Magic is set for the next 8 years at the starting forward slots. Then the all-in move for a FA in 2022 or 2023 would presumably be a big.
What's great is the Magic management gets a year and a half to evaluate this.

drsd · Post #237 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 3:39 pm

tiderulz wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

Umm we found out this information before Suggs was drafted

yes. But Suggs to me is more of a threat to Fultz than if we had drafted Barnes at 5 (or whoever else)

The threat is to Anthony, and also a bit, too Hampton. For me, I have to assume this is the 2022/23 guard rotation:
Suggs/Anthony at PG
Fultz/Hampton at SG

If that does not work, then there will be prompt trades. And for me, Anthony would be the most moveable player.

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drsd · Post #238 » by **drsd** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 3:39 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:gotta figure Fultz a little worried about his spot with Suggs drafted

He's not worried. The FO has always viewed him as a combo-guard, capable of excelling at 1 or 2. When healthy (*and not on restrictions*), he'll be a starter in the backcourt.

not if he cant fix that outside shot

If Fultz does not develop a three-ball, then Suggs needs to play off of the ball.

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tiderulz · Post #239 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 3:46 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:He's not worried. The FO has always viewed him as a combo-guard, capable of excelling at 1 or 2. When healthy (*and not on restrictions*), he'll be a starter in the backcourt.

not if he cant fix that outside shot

Personally, I think he will be our lead guard, so whoever is off ball (Suggs) and if they are a + shooter (which, i project him to be), I'm not worried about his lack of 3-ball. Sure, it would be nice if he could shoot 35% from 3 on 6 attempts, but not a requirement for him to succeed here. We'll see.

I have him, Suggs, and JI sharpied as starters on the best version of this team. Chuma/Wagner battle for the other wing spot and WCJ/Bamba battle for C (WC's to lose right now). RJ is wild card.

my problem with that is Suggs became a top-5 talent by being the lead guard with the ball in his hands. now you want to take it out of his hands.

tiderulz · Post #240 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Aug 5, 2021 3:48 pm

drsd wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:Umm we found out this information before Suggs was drafted

yes. But Suggs to me is more of a threat to Fultz than if we had drafted Barnes at 5 (or whoever else)

The threat is to Anthony, and also a bit, too Hampton. For me, I have to assume this is the 2022/23 guard rotation:
Suggs/Anthony at PG
Fultz/Hampton at SG

If that does not work, then there will be prompt trades. And for me, Anthony would be the most moveable player.

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i mentioned above, Suggs became a top-5 talent with the ball in his hands and now people want to take the ball out of his hands and move him to SG.

drsd wrote:If Fultz does not develop a three-ball, then Suggs needs to play off of the ball.

Fultz to me isnt good enough yet, that it forces the position change of a top drafted talent.