Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[Nyce_1]

not if he cant fix that outside shot

Personally, I think he will be our lead guard, so whoever is off ball (Suggs) and if they are a + shooter (which, i project him to be), I'm not worried about his lack of 3-ball. Sure, it would be nice if he could shoot 35% from 3 on 6 attempts, but not a requirement for him to succeed here. We'll see.

I have him, Suggs, and JI sharpied as starters on the best version of this team. Chuma/Wagner battle for the other wing spot and WCJ/Bamba battle for C (WC's to lose right now). RJ is wild card.

my problem with that is Suggs became a top-5 talent by being the lead guard with the ball in his hands. now you want to take it out of his hands.

Valid concern but to me, not really a big one. Jalen played with another PG and split time off-ball. He flourished. Yeah, he's sexier with the ball, but it's a great "problem" to have to 2 guards like this in the backcourt. During a game both will handle the ball. End of the game, Markelle has the ball and we'll ride with him. If they deny it, Jalen got it.

[nicnac215]

Personally, I think he will be our lead guard, so whoever is off ball (Suggs) and if they are a + shooter (which, i project him to be), I'm not worried about his lack of 3-ball. Sure, it would be nice if he could shoot 35% from 3 on 6 attempts, but not a requirement for him to succeed here. We'll see.

I have him, Suggs, and JI sharpied as starters on the best version of this team. Chuma/Wagner battle for the other wing spot and WCJ/Bamba battle for C (WC's to lose right now). RJ is wild card.

my problem with that is Suggs became a top-5 talent by being the lead guard with the ball in his hands. now you want to take it out of his hands.

Valid concern but to me, not really a big one. Jalen played with another PG and split time off-ball. He flourished. Yeah, he's sexier with the ball, but it's a great "problem" to have to 2 guards like this in the backcourt. During a game both will handle the ball. End of the game, Markelle has the ball and we'll ride with him. If they deny it, Jalen got it.

I think the idea is whoever is nearest to the ball after a defensive rebound just takes the ball up the court with pace. It can be Kelle, Suggs, Cole, or RJ but that is the style.

[drsd]

i mentioned above, Suggs became a top-5 talent with the ball in his hands and now people want to take the ball out of his hands and move him to SG.

Then Fultz moves on. But that is something for 2022 (or even 2023). For now, we fans can see if Portland 2.0 works or not.


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[rcklsscognition]

Portland 2.0? Maybe Portland 0.25.

[The Effect]

Umm we found out this information before Suggs was drafted

yes. But Suggs to me is more of a threat to Fultz than if we had drafted Barnes at 5 (or whoever else)

The threat is to Anthony, and also a bit, too Hampton. For me, I have to assume this is the 2022/23 guard rotation:
Suggs/Anthony at PG
Fultz/Hampton at SG

If that does not work, then there will be prompt trades. And for me, Anthony would be the most moveable player.


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I honestly dont think the weham will see it that way simply because of his leadership and "likability".
also, from following him on social media, that dude wants to be great and works his ass off. It wouldnt surprise me if he and Suggs our the face of our team for the next 10 years, ala dame\cj

I love fultz and cant wait to see him back on the court but i think if anyone gets moved it would be him as hes the oldest with the biggest contract and hate to say it, but a very DNP filled career

RJ to me is the wildcard. He could be the best of the 4, or the first one out of the league. I think once he learns to slow down and use his speed more efficiently, thats when we will get a better idea of what he will become

[drsd]

RJ to me is the wildcard. He could be the best of the 4, or the first one out of the league. I think once he learns to slow down and use his speed more efficiently, thats when we will get a better idea of what he will become

And-1

What if Anthony develops in to the next "Jameer Nelson" and Hampton the next "James Harden". Then what with Fultz and Suggs???

That would be a good problem of course.

What I think is certain is the Magic will run rotations that have three-guard sets. Short term, Orlando needs to try to outscore teams in bursts.

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[Horcy]

yes. But Suggs to me is more of a threat to Fultz than if we had drafted Barnes at 5 (or whoever else)

The threat is to Anthony, and also a bit, too Hampton. For me, I have to assume this is the 2022/23 guard rotation:
Suggs/Anthony at PG
Fultz/Hampton at SG

If that does not work, then there will be prompt trades. And for me, Anthony would be the most moveable player.


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i mentioned above, Suggs became a top-5 talent with the ball in his hands and now people want to take the ball out of his hands and move him to SG.

If Fultz does not develop a three-ball, then Suggs needs to play off of the ball.

Fultz to me isnt good enough yet, that it forces the position change of a top drafted talent.

Since the second we drafted Suggs this became his team (or it should be). Everyone should be able to accomplish to suggs game,or leave.

[MAGICian619]

Suggs being used as anything but our starting PG almost seems like a waste of his talent to me. I would be fine with Suggs playing SG for 5-10 mins a game, but he should be our starting PG going forward.

[cedric76]

Lol

Every year it s the same, people r crazy in love with our new shinny toy

Don't underestimate Fultz

[drsd]

Lol

Every year it s the same, people r crazy in love with our new shinny toy

Don't underestimate Fultz

Fultz is proven capable of playing starting PG in the NBA; and that's hard work to do.


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[TDJacksonville]

Lol

Every year it s the same, people r crazy in love with our new shinny toy

Don't underestimate Fultz

Fultz is proven capable of playing starting PG in the NBA; and that's hard work to do.


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He's also proven to be a bad shooter and injury-prone

[Nyce_1]

Lol

Every year it s the same, people r crazy in love with our new shinny toy

Don't underestimate Fultz

Fultz is proven capable of playing starting PG in the NBA; and that's hard work to do.


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He's also proven to be a bad shooter and injury-prone

Is he really injury prone though? He's had 1 injury with us.

Or are you also counting the injury from Philly where he was continuously misdiagnosed by their staff?

And he's only a bad 3pt shooter. Mid-range game is money.

[YosemiteSam]

From Hollinger:

While the rest of the NBA has been a furious hive of activity, things have been relatively tame in O-town. The last week has seen the Magic load up on Wagner brothers and add Robin Lopez, but otherwise it’s been dead quiet.

Partly that’s because the Magic aren’t short on bodies. They have 14 players with guaranteed deals for the coming season, and while the configuration is a bit weird (four centers and about 0.5 small forwards), the Magic aren’t exactly gunning for the title this year. They can afford to be patient.

However, the interesting part for Orlando is that it is one of the go-to calls for any team looking to dump a contract. While everyone focuses on Oklahoma City, the Magic are sitting on a $17 million trade exception from last season’s Evan Fournier deal, and with $22 million in float below the luxury tax line the Magic have the wherewithal to take in a large deal. It may be this summer or it may wait ’til the trade deadline, but the most significant business Orlando can do involves that exception, and (hopefully) parlaying it into a future first-round pick.

[RookieStar]

Fultz is proven capable of playing starting PG in the NBA; and that's hard work to do.


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He's also proven to be a bad shooter and injury-prone

Is he really injury prone though? He's had 1 injury with us.

Or are you also counting the injury from Philly where he was continuously misdiagnosed by their staff?

And he's only a bad 3pt shooter. Mid-range game is money.

Yup as far as I know that ACL injury can happen to ANYONE. That's the only injury he had with us. I don't count that yips/shoulder/whatever he had when we got him from PHI because I don't think we will ever find out what the F that was about.

[RookieStar]

From Hollinger:

While the rest of the NBA has been a furious hive of activity, things have been relatively tame in O-town. The last week has seen the Magic load up on Wagner brothers and add Robin Lopez, but otherwise it’s been dead quiet.

Partly that’s because the Magic aren’t short on bodies. They have 14 players with guaranteed deals for the coming season, and while the configuration is a bit weird (four centers and about 0.5 small forwards), the Magic aren’t exactly gunning for the title this year. They can afford to be patient.

However, the interesting part for Orlando is that it is one of the go-to calls for any team looking to dump a contract. While everyone focuses on Oklahoma City, the Magic are sitting on a $17 million trade exception from last season’s Evan Fournier deal, and with $22 million in float below the luxury tax line the Magic have the wherewithal to take in a large deal. It may be this summer or it may wait ’til the trade deadline, but the most significant business Orlando can do involves that exception, and (hopefully) parlaying it into a future first-round pick.

I will gladly accept any of HOU/DET/CLE 1st round draft pick for any bad contracts they have

[Nyce_1]

From Hollinger:

While the rest of the NBA has been a furious hive of activity, things have been relatively tame in O-town. The last week has seen the Magic load up on Wagner brothers and add Robin Lopez, but otherwise it’s been dead quiet.

Partly that’s because the Magic aren’t short on bodies. They have 14 players with guaranteed deals for the coming season, and while the configuration is a bit weird (four centers and about 0.5 small forwards), the Magic aren’t exactly gunning for the title this year. They can afford to be patient.

However, the interesting part for Orlando is that it is one of the go-to calls for any team looking to dump a contract. While everyone focuses on Oklahoma City, the Magic are sitting on a $17 million trade exception from last season’s Evan Fournier deal, and with $22 million in float below the luxury tax line the Magic have the wherewithal to take in a large deal. It may be this summer or it may wait ’til the trade deadline, but the most significant business Orlando can do involves that exception, and (hopefully) parlaying it into a future first-round pick.

I will gladly accept any of HOU/DET/CLE 1st round draft pick for any bad contracts they have

If we weren't so loaded at guard, I would've been on board with taking on Eric Gordon in our attempt to move up to #2.

I still can't believe Danny Ainge broke up that large TPE for 1 month of healthy Fournier.

[YosemiteSam]

From Hollinger:

While the rest of the NBA has been a furious hive of activity, things have been relatively tame in O-town. The last week has seen the Magic load up on Wagner brothers and add Robin Lopez, but otherwise it’s been dead quiet.

Partly that’s because the Magic aren’t short on bodies. They have 14 players with guaranteed deals for the coming season, and while the configuration is a bit weird (four centers and about 0.5 small forwards), the Magic aren’t exactly gunning for the title this year. They can afford to be patient.

However, the interesting part for Orlando is that it is one of the go-to calls for any team looking to dump a contract. While everyone focuses on Oklahoma City, the Magic are sitting on a $17 million trade exception from last season’s Evan Fournier deal, and with $22 million in float below the luxury tax line the Magic have the wherewithal to take in a large deal. It may be this summer or it may wait ’til the trade deadline, but the most significant business Orlando can do involves that exception, and (hopefully) parlaying it into a future first-round pick.

I will gladly accept any of HOU/DET/CLE 1st round draft pick for any bad contracts they have

More likely one from Portland (Derrick Jones Jr), Indiana (Jeremy Lamb) or Brooklyn (DeAndre Jordan) - those are teams in or close to the tax who don't need those players and they all have 1 or 2 years left so we won't burden our long term cap. Maybe Jarrett Culver from Minny?

[RookieStar]

From Hollinger:

I will gladly accept any of HOU/DET/CLE 1st round draft pick for any bad contracts they have

More likely one from Portland (Derrick Jones Jr), Indiana (Jeremy Lamb) or Brooklyn (DeAndre Jordan) - those are teams in or close to the tax who don't need those players and they all have 1 or 2 years left so we won't burden our long term cap. Maybe Jarrett Culver from Minny?

Since the other teas need our asset ( TPE and space ) it should be they send an asset to balance it out. Accepting bad contracts with not-so attractive picks of BKN , IND and POR is not exactly what I had in mind.

[RookieStar]

From Hollinger:

I will gladly accept any of HOU/DET/CLE 1st round draft pick for any bad contracts they have

If we weren't so loaded at guard, I would've been on board with taking on Eric Gordon in our attempt to move up to #2.

I still can't believe Danny Ainge broke up that large TPE for 1 month of healthy Fournier.

Well this deal would be fore next draft and HOU DET CLE are probably one of the top5 tankers for it. With your deal for the #2 I think HOU would demand we take Wall's contract not Eric lol

[YosemiteSam]

I will gladly accept any of HOU/DET/CLE 1st round draft pick for any bad contracts they have

More likely one from Portland (Derrick Jones Jr), Indiana (Jeremy Lamb) or Brooklyn (DeAndre Jordan) - those are teams in or close to the tax who don't need those players and they all have 1 or 2 years left so we won't burden our long term cap. Maybe Jarrett Culver from Minny?

Since the other teas need our asset ( TPE and space ) it should be they send an asset to balance it out. Accepting bad contracts with not-so attractive picks of BKN , IND and POR is not exactly what I had in mind.

Taking a bad contract to save a team on tax bills is worth a late 1st rounder (or 2nd rounder if a lower salary). We don't care about the player, just have room under the tax and a TPE that expires, so we rent our space for a minor return. OKC got a #16 for taking millions and millions off Boston's tax by taking Kemba. We won't do better by taking one year (and we don't want to muck up our cap longer than that)