Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

[amcoolio]

What are the legalities/salary caponomics of a triple sign in trade with NOP-CHA-CHI that sends Markkanen to Charlotte to expand the Ball/Bulls and Graham/Pelicans trades?

I think this is my new favorite outcome for Lauri. Similar to Dallas would love Charlotte finding a creative way to take a chance on him. Really actually love the long term big rotation of Lauri/PJ/Jones.

Did Charlotte keep the Martins and/or Carey? I think that’s all that would be needed to make the deal legal? Enough to get what counts for Graham’s number within 5 million of whatever Lauri makes. Think you could have Chicago/NOP do like a swap of 2nds just to hit. And then have Charlotte send some cash/2nds to Chicago for buying out whatever contracts they get stuck with.

We have 15 players signed with both Twins, Carey Jr., and Richards, I assume that Caleb, Richards, Carey Jr., and Cody in that order are expendable

I want to take a chance on Lauri, maybe that is the holdup with the Graham trade.

[Scoot McGroot]

What are the legalities/salary caponomics of a triple sign in trade with NOP-CHA-CHI that sends Markkanen to Charlotte to expand the Ball/Bulls and Graham/Pelicans trades?

I think this is my new favorite outcome for Lauri. Similar to Dallas would love Charlotte finding a creative way to take a chance on him. Really actually love the long term big rotation of Lauri/PJ/Jones.

Did Charlotte keep the Martins and/or Carey? I think that’s all that would be needed to make the deal legal? Enough to get what counts for Graham’s number within 5 million of whatever Lauri makes. Think you could have Chicago/NOP do like a swap of 2nds just to hit. And then have Charlotte send some cash/2nds to Chicago for buying out whatever contracts they get stuck with.

We have 15 players signed with both Twins, Carey Jr., and Richards, I assume that Caleb, Richards, Carey Jr., and Cody in that order are expendable

I want to take a chance on Lauri, maybe that is the holdup with the Graham trade.

What holdup? The deals agreed to and can’t legally be completed until the new league year, right?

[jayjaysee]

Between that and OKC not getting in on the Hutch dump, I think OKC has a move planned

We’re still ready to give Powell and junk assets if Chicago is sending Lauri over to Dallas.

There is actually probably something sending Bazley to Chicago to help their forward depth and Lauri to Dallas, Powell+Green and something to OKC .

[HornetJail]

What are the legalities/salary caponomics of a triple sign in trade with NOP-CHA-CHI that sends Markkanen to Charlotte to expand the Ball/Bulls and Graham/Pelicans trades?

I think this is my new favorite outcome for Lauri. Similar to Dallas would love Charlotte finding a creative way to take a chance on him. Really actually love the long term big rotation of Lauri/PJ/Jones.

Did Charlotte keep the Martins and/or Carey? I think that’s all that would be needed to make the deal legal? Enough to get what counts for Graham’s number within 5 million of whatever Lauri makes. Think you could have Chicago/NOP do like a swap of 2nds just to hit. And then have Charlotte send some cash/2nds to Chicago for buying out whatever contracts they get stuck with.

We have 15 players signed with both Twins, Carey Jr., and Richards, I assume that Caleb, Richards, Carey Jr., and Cody in that order are expendable

I want to take a chance on Lauri, maybe that is the holdup with the Graham trade.

Carey should be the least expendable based mostly on the fact that he's 6 years younger than the Martin twins and has a pretty good shot at being a rotation player, even if he's just a situational guy like Kanter.

[K_chile22]

I've spent the entire morning trying to figure out a 3 team deal based around a Gordon for Oubre S&T.

Basic Idea is:
Oubre starting at about $17M with at least the last year non guaranteed and a player(s), preferably expiring, from team X who makes about $13M to Houston
House and a giant TPE to GSW
Gordon and incentive from GSW to team x

Best one I came up with was Minny with Prince, but they made the prince trade to get tax breathing space and this undoes that so that doesn't make sense. Don't the Mavs idea with Powell is much of an option given the wings they signed, but maybe, and in that case I think the GSW compensation goes to Houston.

[Godaddycurse]

I've spent the entire morning trying to figure out a 3 team deal based around a Gordon for Oubre S&T.

Basic Idea is:
Oubre starting at about $17M with at least the last year non guaranteed and a player(s), preferably expiring, from team X who makes about $13M to Houston
House and a giant TPE to GSW
Gordon and incentive from GSW to team x

Best one I came up with was Minny with Prince, but they made the prince trade to get tax breathing space and this undoes that so that doesn't make sense. Don't the Mavs idea with Powell is much of an option given the wings they signed, but maybe, and in that case I think the GSW compensation goes to Houston.

13M isn't enough to match Gordon's salary? it needs to be closer to 15M

[K_chile22]

I've spent the entire morning trying to figure out a 3 team deal based around a Gordon for Oubre S&T.

Basic Idea is:
Oubre starting at about $17M with at least the last year non guaranteed and a player(s), preferably expiring, from team X who makes about $13M to Houston
House and a giant TPE to GSW
Gordon and incentive from GSW to team x

Best one I came up with was Minny with Prince, but they made the prince trade to get tax breathing space and this undoes that so that doesn't make sense. Don't the Mavs idea with Powell is much of an option given the wings they signed, but maybe, and in that case I think the GSW compensation goes to Houston.

13M isn't enough to match Gordon's salary? it needs to be closer to 15M

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

[psman2]

I've spent the entire morning trying to figure out a 3 team deal based around a Gordon for Oubre S&T.

Basic Idea is:
Oubre starting at about $17M with at least the last year non guaranteed and a player(s), preferably expiring, from team X who makes about $13M to Houston
House and a giant TPE to GSW
Gordon and incentive from GSW to team x

Best one I came up with was Minny with Prince, but they made the prince trade to get tax breathing space and this undoes that so that doesn't make sense. Don't the Mavs idea with Powell is much of an option given the wings they signed, but maybe, and in that case I think the GSW compensation goes to Houston.

13M isn't enough to match Gordon's salary? it needs to be closer to 15M

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

[Texas Chuck]

13M isn't enough to match Gordon's salary? it needs to be closer to 15M

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

What about PatBev/Rondo for Gordon/Augustin? Makes the money a bit easier on the Clippers? Or maybe even just PatBev/Rondo for Gordon/House and the Warriors get a bigger TPE and don't spend the $20M plus on House? I really like that 2nd version if they can get Jackson back.

[psman2]

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

What about PatBev/Rondo for Gordon/Augustin? Makes the money a bit easier on the Clippers? Or maybe even just PatBev/Rondo for Gordon/House and the Warriors get a bigger TPE and don't spend the $20M plus on House? I really like that 2nd version if they can get Jackson back.

Yep...that was the one that gave me pause. If they lose RJ then I think it is possible. Clippers could see Gordon as a salary slot that might be preferred to Bev's expiring to use in trades into 2022. Still I have them passing IF RJ is back.

[K_chile22]

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

What about PatBev/Rondo for Gordon/Augustin? Makes the money a bit easier on the Clippers? Or maybe even just PatBev/Rondo for Gordon/House and the Warriors get a bigger TPE and don't spend the $20M plus on House? I really like that 2nd version if they can get Jackson back.

Yeah the second one is good, issue is now they can't return enough salary for the Oubre thing UNLESS the Pistons get a little something to make the Olynyk deal a S&T

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[Godaddycurse]

13M isn't enough to match Gordon's salary? it needs to be closer to 15M

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

Schroder 1 yr guaranteed + Mckinnie to Houston
Gordon/House to Sacramento
Hield to Lakers

[gswhoops]

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Wiggins and a lotto protected 1st

[timani]

Might have been posted already but the Mavs made aggressive attempts at two veteran PF's in Portis and Batum. Both good defenders that can shoot the 3. Anybody else out there that fits this description that is also available? Mavs might have some flexibility depending upon how they sequence their signings and what their final contract numbers look like, including that Josh Richardson TPE from almost 11 million dollars.

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[Scoot McGroot]

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

Schroder 1 yr guaranteed + Mckinnie to Houston
Gordon/House to Sacramento
Hield to Lakers

Not that it matters greatly, but McKinnie was waived yesterday.

[Godaddycurse]

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trade him to sacramento

[kalenclayton]

$13M and a minimum, just didn't want to get too in the weeds lol

$13, 118, 000 is the minimum to trade straight up

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

Schroder 1 yr guaranteed + Mckinnie to Houston
Gordon/House to Sacramento
Hield to Lakers

I fail to see how Gordon is a better impact player and asset to the Kings than Buddy. The asset valuation seems kinda far apart.

[Godaddycurse]

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

Schroder 1 yr guaranteed + Mckinnie to Houston
Gordon/House to Sacramento
Hield to Lakers

I fail to see how Gordon is a better impact player and asset to the Kings than Buddy. The asset valuation seems kinda far apart.

1 less year and you get additional forward depth. also probably better (not by much admittedly) defender. Hield also was crap the last few years

[psman2]

I don't think the incentive that GSW would give up for a TPE/house would be enough to dump Gordon for expirings. Likely a pair of 2nds is what GSW would offer here.

I cannot think of a team that would want Gordon enough to throw a matching expire and get Gordon/2 2nds back. Still looking but no obvious matches with those parameters.

Schroder 1 yr guaranteed + Mckinnie to Houston
Gordon/House to Sacramento
Hield to Lakers

I fail to see how Gordon is a better impact player and asset to the Kings than Buddy. The asset valuation seems kinda far apart.

He is not, but he is a good vet that will play the role he is asked on a shorter contract. I think Sac can do better, but not a lot better.