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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#721 » by BigSlam » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:15 pm

Redemption Bong wrote:Sup dudes, Lauri was at his best his rookie season when Hoiberg actually made pick and roll/pop with Kris Dunn a major part of the closing offense. As a starter playing for the Hoiberg Bulls, he was a major part of the rotation that won 8 straight, 11 out of 13.

If Melo is initiating the pick at the top he's either getting a free runway to the rim or Lauri will get a wide open look from 3.

Lauri is a willing cutter, he and Melo could be pretty dynamic together.

Isn't he a very poor screen setter?

If that is the case, how effective can he be in the P&R or P&P?

The P&P could be there with his shooting, but isn't he pretty poor at finishing through contact - so how impactful is he driving the ball off the P&R?

I'm no huge fan of PJ, but I can't see how anyone would opt to back Markkanen over PJ - especially on a contract that pays him 3 to 4 times as much.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#722 » by MPM » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:29 pm

JDR720 wrote:The Finnisher : The Lauri Markkanen Thread


What a beautiful ramble. I love "Finnish him!"

Reserving judgement on this, but:

- if we can get Markkanen on a 2+1 team option at about 15mm per, I think I'd be OK with it - it adds size, shooting and depth at Zeller money and doesn't step on future deals should we decide not to extend.

- if we give up additional assets or find a way to go over 15mm and/or my 2+1 TO, I'd be far less OK with it.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#723 » by HornetJail » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:36 pm

I think Lauri is a pretty good buy-low option, I'm for giving him a shot although I don't know about his fit. It wouldn't make up for what we've lost this offseason but it would be something
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Post#724 » by HornetJail » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:38 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Redemption Bong wrote:Sup dudes, Lauri was at his best his rookie season when Hoiberg actually made pick and roll/pop with Kris Dunn a major part of the closing offense. As a starter playing for the Hoiberg Bulls, he was a major part of the rotation that won 8 straight, 11 out of 13.

If Melo is initiating the pick at the top he's either getting a free runway to the rim or Lauri will get a wide open look from 3.

Lauri is a willing cutter, he and Melo could be pretty dynamic together.

Isn't he a very poor screen setter?

If that is the case, how effective can he be in the P&R or P&P?

The P&P could be there with his shooting, but isn't he pretty poor at finishing through contact - so how impactful is he driving the ball off the P&R?

I'm no huge fan of PJ, but I can't see how anyone would opt to back Markkanen over PJ - especially on a contract that pays him 3 to 4 times as much.

I can't see how anyone would opt to back Ish Smith and a future pick in the back half of the first round over Monk and Devonte' but here we are. Literally anything can happen.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#725 » by BigSlam » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:43 pm

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
Redemption Bong wrote:Sup dudes, Lauri was at his best his rookie season when Hoiberg actually made pick and roll/pop with Kris Dunn a major part of the closing offense. As a starter playing for the Hoiberg Bulls, he was a major part of the rotation that won 8 straight, 11 out of 13.

If Melo is initiating the pick at the top he's either getting a free runway to the rim or Lauri will get a wide open look from 3.

Lauri is a willing cutter, he and Melo could be pretty dynamic together.

Isn't he a very poor screen setter?

If that is the case, how effective can he be in the P&R or P&P?

The P&P could be there with his shooting, but isn't he pretty poor at finishing through contact - so how impactful is he driving the ball off the P&R?

I'm no huge fan of PJ, but I can't see how anyone would opt to back Markkanen over PJ - especially on a contract that pays him 3 to 4 times as much.

I can't see how anyone would opt to back Ish Smith and a future pick in the back half of the first round over Monk and Devonte' but here we are. Literally anything can happen.

You’d have a better point if we’d had paid Ish 3-4 times more than Graham, not the other way around.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#726 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:54 pm

BigSlam wrote:http://global.nba.com/players/vs/#!/pj_washington/lauri_markkanen


Per 36 Minutes

Lauri Markkanen 19.0 pts/7.3 reb/1.2 ast on .480/.402/.826 shooting with 1.4 TO & 0.4 Blks

P.J. Washington 15.2 pts/7.7 reb/3.0 ast on .440/.386/.745 shooting with 2.4 TO & 1.5 Blks

Different players that would probably complement each other pretty well and give us different looks.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#727 » by HornetJail » Fri Aug 6, 2021 12:07 am

BigSlam wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Isn't he a very poor screen setter?

If that is the case, how effective can he be in the P&R or P&P?

The P&P could be there with his shooting, but isn't he pretty poor at finishing through contact - so how impactful is he driving the ball off the P&R?

I'm no huge fan of PJ, but I can't see how anyone would opt to back Markkanen over PJ - especially on a contract that pays him 3 to 4 times as much.

I can't see how anyone would opt to back Ish Smith and a future pick in the back half of the first round over Monk and Devonte' but here we are. Literally anything can happen.

You’d have a better point if we’d had paid Ish 3-4 times more than Graham, not the other way around.

We paid him about 3 times as much as Monk lol

Point being, Mitch does weird **** sometimes and basically anything is on the table :lol:
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#728 » by SWedd523 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 12:13 am

BigSlam wrote:
Redemption Bong wrote:Sup dudes, Lauri was at his best his rookie season when Hoiberg actually made pick and roll/pop with Kris Dunn a major part of the closing offense. As a starter playing for the Hoiberg Bulls, he was a major part of the rotation that won 8 straight, 11 out of 13.

If Melo is initiating the pick at the top he's either getting a free runway to the rim or Lauri will get a wide open look from 3.

Lauri is a willing cutter, he and Melo could be pretty dynamic together.

Isn't he a very poor screen setter?

If that is the case, how effective can he be in the P&R or P&P?

The P&P could be there with his shooting, but isn't he pretty poor at finishing through contact - so how impactful is he driving the ball off the P&R?

I'm no huge fan of PJ, but I can't see how anyone would opt to back Markkanen over PJ - especially on a contract that pays him 3 to 4 times as much.

I thought Lauri was considered a good screen setter and excelled as a pick and pop big, no?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#729 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Aug 6, 2021 12:35 am

Lots of stuff pointed to us acting over the cap (taking on Plumlee, rookies signing early), and Lauri started making some sense after the Lonzo and Devonte' deals.

Maybe it still won't happen, and again I'm not certain it's a great fit, but you could kinda see this coming.

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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#730 » by Chapelchilla » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:02 am

Who knows if we are even really considering Lauri and for how long / how much $ but comparing his theoretical future salary to PJ’s current rookie deal is not exactly apples to apples. At this point we probably aren’t getting anyone else with as half as much skill/upside as Lauri has for next season and we should be able to keep both players with no cap issues if his salary is not ridiculous.
The following off season we have a choice to make regarding paying Miles/Terry going forward. At that point we also need to think about paying PJ a lot more money the next year. Probably at least Lauri's money PLUS inflation. If Lauri Is working out well at 13 million isn’t not paying PJ going to save us even more $ at the time we are actually looking to win big/resign Melo/add finishing talent to compete? Yesterday people were talking about next year not being a great FA year and that we probably would not do much more then resign Miles/Terry. Adding a young 7 footer with elite shooting and proven offensive skills seems like a smart plan if we can take advantage of a depressed market to get him signed up for a reasonable price. 20 million? No way. 14 or so, I think it would be dumb not to add him.
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Post#731 » by Rich4114 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:34 am

Lauri is the new Monk before he’s even signed. Amazing.

PS, who wants a 40% 3pt shooter that’s 7ft tall on the team raise your hands
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Post#732 » by _tijo_ » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:41 am

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Looks like we are being used by agents because we have cap space. I would be SHOCKED if Oubre came here.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#733 » by JDR720 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:43 am

So, we're gonna sign Markkanen AND Oubre?

No clue how thats possible financially. Unless Oubre accepts MLE or we're doing a sign&trade for Markkanen that involves PJ or someone else being traded too.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#734 » by BigSlam » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:45 am

Rich4114 wrote:Lauri is the new Monk before he’s even signed. Amazing.

PS, who wants a 40% 3pt shooter that’s 7ft tall on the team raise your hands

What does being 7 foot tall have to do with anything when you don’t play like a 7 footer?

Case in point: Primoz Brezec was 7 feet tall.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#735 » by BigSlam » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:51 am

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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#736 » by Rich4114 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:57 am

BigSlam wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:Lauri is the new Monk before he’s even signed. Amazing.

PS, who wants a 40% 3pt shooter that’s 7ft tall on the team raise your hands

What does being 7 foot tall have to do with anything when you don’t play like a 7 footer?

Case in point: Primoz Brezec was 7 feet tall.


Because you can shoot over people? Also just any size that can shoot 40% from 3 on our pass heavy team would be welcome. Gives us the ability to really spread it out if we play Lauri at the 5 in spots with PJ at the 4
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Post#737 » by LofJ » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:09 am

Floating interest in Oubre will pressure Markkanen's agent into accepting a better deal for us. Hopefully, we'll sign him to a reasonable contract and send something Chicago's way so they don't match. They can have JT Thor and Vernon Carey. We won't have the minutes to develop them anyway with PJ, Kai, and Lauri on the roster.
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Post#738 » by BigSlam » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:14 am

Rich4114 wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:Lauri is the new Monk before he’s even signed. Amazing.

PS, who wants a 40% 3pt shooter that’s 7ft tall on the team raise your hands

What does being 7 foot tall have to do with anything when you don’t play like a 7 footer?

Case in point: Primoz Brezec was 7 feet tall.


Because you can shoot over people? Also just any size that can shoot 40% from 3 on our pass heavy team would be welcome. Gives us the ability to really spread it out if we play Lauri at the 5 in spots with PJ at the 4

You’ve complained for years and years at how bad Zeller was at protecting the paint and the rim.

Markkanen makes Zeller look like prime Mutumbo.

Enjoy him at the 5.

I’d much rather Turner.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#739 » by LofJ » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:20 am

You guys remember this game?

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Post#740 » by Bassman » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:37 am

LofJ wrote:You guys remember this game?



More examples of what the young man can do. Whose to say he’s done? A good team and development could create the star he was thought to be by many.

And yes I want Lauri and Turner.
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