Little Swaggy: The Kelly Oubre Jr Thread

[LofJ]

Oubre is an UFA though?

DeRozan and Dinwiddie were UFAs too, both went to new teams via a sign and trade. GS at the very least wants a TPE, but we could send Oubre to another team as well. We'll find out one way or another pretty soon.

This is where I get confused and why the Kemba ordeal confused me a little as well (Boston getting a TPE). If a team can sign a player as a UFA why do a sign and trade and make sure the other team gets something, anything for him?

You don't have to do it. That's why the team getting the TPE usually coughs up a 2nd round pick to the other team as an incentive.

[Chapelchilla]

Makes more sense than Markkanen. So much depth, how are we going to get McD and all of our young bigs any playing time? What does this say about extending/keeping Miles?

I don't think it has any impact on Miles at all. I expect he will be re-signed unless he totally regresses this season, which was true even before Oubre.

And in the event the FO does intend to let Miles walk in favor of Oubre I may just burn Spectrum Center down. We'll see.

Oubre is on a mid priced 2 year deal. Miles is going to get paid big bux for 4 years unless he has a terrible injury or melts down.
Also, Oubre is more of a 2/3 and Miles a 3/4. I think Oubre is only here a year or so and gets moved next deadline if Bouknight is ready by then.

[Soul Rebel]

Love the Oubre signing, just concerned that he's okay with a 6th man kind of role.

I do also think this sets us up for success with moving Terry at the deadline and getting asset(s) for him without us having to commit long-term to an undersized 28-year old SG. Oubre is two years younger, can play the 2/3 instead of the 1/2 and much cheaper.

If Oubre balls out, we'd essentially give him the money for Rozier in two years....and truthfully, probably less than Rozier would have gotten.

[amcoolio]

I'd rather have Rozier moving forward than Oubre. Unless Oubre rapidly improves his shooting then he's strictly a "Jeff Green body you throw at people and occasionally makes good offensive plays" type for the rest of his career. He is still young though so I guess he can still improve.

[Liver_Pooty]

Roziers replacement is in waiting in Bouknight. That's the plan anyway.

[Robot Rock]

I like it. Drop one of the Martin twins. $13M per is a bit pricey but he's a good player and I feel pretty good about what we've got going on the wings now. It definitely boosts the depth, but I still want to know the plan at PG and if Terry is gonna be SG1 and PG2.

[Chapelchilla]

I like it. Drop one of the Martin twins. $13M per is a bit pricey but he's a good player and I feel pretty good about what we've got going on the wings now. It definitely boosts the depth, but I still want to know the plan at PG and if Terry is gonna be SG1 and PG2.

I think Terry does play some point. Probably will take him out first and put in Oubre at 2 then after Melo comes out, bring in Terry at 1 with Bouknight. Maybe? Also, Hayward can run the team as point forward some and it helps that Plumlee is actually a very good passer in the post. Ish is not incompetent at PG for limited minutes either.

[Walt Cronkite]

Watch on YouTube

This highlight package is much more exciting than the ish Smith one.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Oubre is an UFA though?

DeRozan and Dinwiddie were UFAs too, both went to new teams via a sign and trade. GS at the very least wants a TPE, but we could send Oubre to another team as well. We'll find out one way or another pretty soon.

This is where I get confused and why the Kemba ordeal confused me a little as well (Boston getting a TPE). If a team can sign a player as a UFA why do a sign and trade and make sure the other team gets something, anything for him?

It's definitely situational, and obviously more common with RFAs. Looking at our recent deals with the Celtics though there are a couple different reasons.

Kemba to Boston: our cap sheet was such a mess that we basically had Kemba's Bird Rights and the MLE as far as options for PG, which is obviously a big pay gap. It's actually kind of fortunate that the Celtics also had a free agent guard in Rozier for us to bridge that salary difference. Rozier's first year salary was completely dependent upon Kemba's via base year compensation. For their trouble, Boston got a better 2nd round pick.

Hayward to Charlotte: Boston was hoping to send Hayward to a capped-out team for win-now assets, but when we came calling the best they could do was a trade exception for a player down the road (the conspiracy theorist in me notes Hayward's odd raise structure and the fact that it's set so that the TPE was just slightly too small to take in Beal). Charlotte called their bluff by stretching Batum so they didn't *need* to trade anything, thus putting it on Boston to make it work. So we got two future 2nds to accommodate them.

Then they used the TPE for half a season of Fournier.

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[BigSlam]

This highlight package is much more exciting than the ish Smith one.

It's tricky though, because it also had me thinking that Oubre was a very good 3pt shooter - which I found out after looking at his stats he certainly is not!!

[wilson115]

Makes more sense than Markkanen. So much depth, how are we going to get McD and all of our young bigs any playing time? What does this say about extending/keeping Miles?

I don't think it has any impact on Miles at all. I expect he will be re-signed unless he totally regresses this season, which was true even before Oubre.

And in the event the FO does intend to let Miles walk in favor of Oubre I may just burn Spectrum Center down. We'll see.

Oubre is on a mid priced 2 year deal. Miles is going to get paid big bux for 4 years unless he has a terrible injury or melts down.
Also, Oubre is more of a 2/3 and Miles a 3/4. I think Oubre is only here a year or so and gets moved next deadline if Bouknight is ready by then.

So we're going over the cap this year if we want to extend Miles?

[BigSlam]

I don't think it has any impact on Miles at all. I expect he will be re-signed unless he totally regresses this season, which was true even before Oubre.

And in the event the FO does intend to let Miles walk in favor of Oubre I may just burn Spectrum Center down. We'll see.

Oubre is on a mid priced 2 year deal. Miles is going to get paid big bux for 4 years unless he has a terrible injury or melts down.
Also, Oubre is more of a 2/3 and Miles a 3/4. I think Oubre is only here a year or so and gets moved next deadline if Bouknight is ready by then.

So we're going over the cap this year if we want to extend Miles?

Any extension with Miles wouldn't start until his rookie contract ends (end of next season).

[UNCNYC]

I think it might end up a lot like it did last year with us using the majority of the roster and McDanils and Oubre battling it out for starting SF spot

[wilson115]

Oubre is on a mid priced 2 year deal. Miles is going to get paid big bux for 4 years unless he has a terrible injury or melts down.
Also, Oubre is more of a 2/3 and Miles a 3/4. I think Oubre is only here a year or so and gets moved next deadline if Bouknight is ready by then.

So we're going over the cap this year if we want to extend Miles?

Any extension with Miles wouldn't start until his rookie contract ends (end of next season).

We could still end up going over the cap if we keep Miles and Rozier.

[BigSlam]

So we're going over the cap this year if we want to extend Miles?

Any extension with Miles wouldn't start until his rookie contract ends (end of next season).

We could still end up going over the cap if we keep Miles and Rozier.

I gotcha.

It's why I would have been perfectly happy to carry that $18mil or so of cap space over from this summer to next summer.

That said, hopefully one of Bouk or Oubre will prove to be worthy of taking over the starting SG position next year so we wont have to feel pressure to re-sign TRo.

[JMAC3]

Just because you are over the cap doesn't mean you can't bring in new players. Hell half the league did not have cap space this summer and they managed to add plenty of players to their team.

Especially the Hornets, who you would think moving forward are going to be focused on bringing back current talent. We can easily exceed the cap next summer to bring back both Terry and Bridges, it is not against the cap rules.

And eventually to be a top 4 team in the east we will have to be 20 million over the cap on a consistent basis.

[JDR720]

Ewwwwwww. I didn't know Oubre is such a bad 3pt shooter.

33% for his career with 32% last season.

His best ever regular season from 3 was 2019 when he went 35% with the Suns.

I think he's more of a midrange slasher type.

He has never been an efficient scorer. 50% EFG% for his career.

Monk last season was actually more efficient (54% EFG) than Oubre has ever been.

[BigSlam]

I suppose we have to juxtapose pieces like this (eesh):

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kelly-oubre-jr-lays-another-egg-for-warriors-who-have-few-alternatives-and-no-margin-for-error/

With clips like this:

Somewhere in the middle lies our dreamy new signing.

Not sure how I didn't already see this post by MPM this morning, but after he mentioned it in the FA thread I came back, found it, read it and...........YIKES!!!

[MPM]

I suppose we have to juxtapose pieces like this (eesh):

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kelly-oubre-jr-lays-another-egg-for-warriors-who-have-few-alternatives-and-no-margin-for-error/

With clips like this:

Somewhere in the middle lies our dreamy new signing.

Not sure how I didn't already see this post by MPM this morning, but after he mentioned it in the FA thread I came back, found it, read it and...........YIKES!!!

Yeah, it's a complete evisceration. It paints a pretty clear picture of worst case, which is why I wanted to buffer it with his 40 pt game vid. I figure the truth lies in between.

EDIT: and that takedown is from an actual CBS Sports staff writer, not some blogger wannabe beat writer.

[Benjamin Linus]

Remember when Oubre started last season going 0-17 from three and then was 1-25 after game six?

It felt like the entire internet was tracking it game by game to see how many threes he could miss before he finally made one. Hopefully he's putting in the work this offseason so he doesn't have to relive that