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2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2

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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1381 » by Ackshun » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:26 pm

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Ackshun wrote:Felt pretty strongly that we deserved to be a lottery team last year, regardless of the home court disadvantage.

Without Kyle this year, and any significant additions, I won't be surprised to see another lottery bound season.

Hopefully having Birch for the full year helps. Not sure if Wainwright, Barnes and home court advantage can add 20-25 wins.


How many of those 20-25 losses were just sitting people and going for what turned out to be Scottie? Hard to believe Gasol-Ibaka made us second seed two years ago but that was the big difference. I think the bubble and Tampa were just big downers after the title. What an over achievement - second seed - after Kawhi and Danny bolted! Is there enough in Paskal/Fred/OG to be a team that isn't far off from going 7 with Boston? Last year all of Lakers, Boston and Miami flamed out. In the biggest of ways. Things are way more fluid than on-paper prognosticators would have us believe. Starting with the ultimate on-paper tigers the U.S. sports media not named Perk (LOL) or Tim Legler.


It's hard to measure isn't it.

We lost games because we sat guys. But we sat guys because it was evident we were not going to win much anyhow.

Maybe some injuries in there as well, plus the covid issue where we lost a lot of guys for 2 weeks.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1382 » by StopitLeo » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:46 pm

dgr81 wrote:I now believe the raptors will buy out Dragic. That should add about $8m to their cap space allowing them to stay under the tax and sign a couple of more guys from summer league.


A buyout does not reduce team salary. Dragic’s full $19M is on the books even if we bought him out for $0.01.
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Post#1383 » by aligator » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:56 pm

the amount given back by the player does come off and in the Raps situation would take them further below the tax. I also believe that is how thwe situation will be resolved.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1384 » by douggood » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:59 pm

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dgr81 wrote:I now believe the raptors will buy out Dragic. That should add about $8m to their cap space allowing them to stay under the tax and sign a couple of more guys from summer league.


A buyout does not reduce team salary. Dragic’s full $19M is on the books even if we bought him out for $0.01.

the amount the player gives back comes off the books

but in the raptors sitiuation it wont create cap space
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Post#1385 » by Kurtz » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:04 pm

dgr81 wrote:I now believe the raptors will buy out Dragic. That should add about $8m to their cap space allowing them to stay under the tax and sign a couple of more guys from summer league.


Lux Tax is at 136.5 million - we're at around 125-127 million with Dragic/Khem etc included, so we're well clear of the luxury tax.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1386 » by StopitLeo » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:08 pm

douggood wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
dgr81 wrote:I now believe the raptors will buy out Dragic. That should add about $8m to their cap space allowing them to stay under the tax and sign a couple of more guys from summer league.


A buyout does not reduce team salary. Dragic’s full $19M is on the books even if we bought him out for $0.01.

the amount the player gives back comes off the books

but in the raptors sitiuation it wont create cap space


My bad. I’m too used to players giving back close to no money that I got mixed up. Of course it would reduce team salary since it is changing the existing contract. Again, my mistake.
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Post#1387 » by The Duke » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:12 pm

Canada gets bronze in 4×100m men's but....

I think coaches dropped the ball. They shouldn't have De Grass running the shortest anchor leg which is about 90meters .. he should be running the 2nd or 3rd spot (the longest legs) at about 110m each combination of straight & bend. This is what Italy did with their best sprinter, and now they have the gold.
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Post#1389 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:28 pm

Has Dragic been traded yet
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Post#1390 » by T-d0t » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:45 pm

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Post#1391 » by T-d0t » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:46 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Has Dragic been traded yet
Soon
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1392 » by Morris_Shatford » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:49 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Has Dragic been traded yet


Yep

Part of the S&T for Kawhi :D
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Post#1393 » by ItsDanger » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:54 pm

Some of the contracts signed this week are going to look disastrous sooner than people think. Paying a lot to mid 30s and up? Players really sucked management into the time pressure component this offseason. Important for us to maintain flexibility when 20 other teams are so desperate.
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Post#1394 » by pingpongrac » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:04 pm

Ackshun wrote:Felt pretty strongly that we deserved to be a lottery team last year, regardless of the home court disadvantage.

Without Kyle this year, and any significant additions, I won't be surprised to see another lottery bound season.

Hopefully having Birch for the full year helps. Not sure if Wainwright, Barnes and home court advantage can add 20-25 wins.


How do you explain a 17-17 record through the first 34 games of the season then 10-28 the rest of the way though? It seemed/seems pretty clear to me that we were more in line with being a .500 (or better) team if not for COVID then blatantly tanking the last 1/3 of the season. Our record around the midway point was average, but we were trending upwards (in the midst of a 15-7 stretch) and most metrics pointed towards us being a team battling for HCA (3rd best offence in the East, 6th best offence in the East, 4th best NetRTG in East, etc.) before we lost 3 of our top 4 players for a few weeks.

It's not "adding 20-25 wins" by sheer luck to get to 45-50 wins this season. It's a combination of advantages like playing at home, an extra 10 games (back to regular 82-game season), improvement of our players, no Baynes (lol) and not blatantly tanking a large chunk of the year with a few disadvantages like losing Lowry, likely being without Siakam to start the season (or having a rusty Siakam) and the uncertainty of what the rest of our roster is going to look like as there is still nearly 2 months before training camp even begins.

People are putting way too much weight into our end-of-year record while ignoring the factors.
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Post#1395 » by douggood » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:10 pm

pingpongrac wrote:
Ackshun wrote:Felt pretty strongly that we deserved to be a lottery team last year, regardless of the home court disadvantage.

Without Kyle this year, and any significant additions, I won't be surprised to see another lottery bound season.

Hopefully having Birch for the full year helps. Not sure if Wainwright, Barnes and home court advantage can add 20-25 wins.


How do you explain a 17-17 record through the first 34 games of the season then 10-28 the rest of the way though? It seemed/seems pretty clear to me that we were more in line with being a .500 (or better) team if not for COVID then blatantly tanking the last 1/3 of the season. Our record around the midway point was average, but we were trending upwards (in the midst of a 15-7 stretch) and most metrics pointed towards us being a team battling for HCA (3rd best offence in the East, 6th best offence in the East, 4th best NetRTG in East, etc.) before we lost 3 of our top 4 players for a few weeks.

It's not "adding 20-25 wins" by sheer luck to get to 45-50 wins this season. It's a combination of advantages like playing at home, an extra 10 games (back to regular 82-game season), improvement of our players, no Baynes (lol) and not blatantly tanking a large chunk of the year with a few disadvantages like losing Lowry, likely being without Siakam to start the season (or having a rusty Siakam) and the uncertainty of what the rest of our roster is going to look like as there is still nearly 2 months before training camp even begins.

People are putting way too much weight into our end-of-year record while ignoring the factors.

our point differential was positive till the last couple of weeks where we went 1-10

at some point we were setting a record for best point differential in history and be under 500

even with that our final point differential put us ahead of hornets/wizards/bulls

it was a tale of 2 seasons; choose to believe we were closer to first half than second.

Even at 27-39, they have a +25 point differential this season, smackdab in the middle of the NBA in that category, and suggesting Toronto should have a 34-32 record this season, per Basketball-Reference.

It's why Fred VanVleet can joke and say the Raptors are the "best worst team of all-time." To borrow some work from The Athletic's Blake Murphy, the Raptors are certainly among the select few who can claim that title.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-bad-luck-2021-nba-season
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1396 » by c3luong » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:16 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Some of the contracts signed this week are going to look disastrous sooner than people think. Paying a lot to mid 30s and up? Players really sucked management into the time pressure component this offseason. Important for us to maintain flexibility when 20 other teams are so desperate.


They look bad already tbh
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1397 » by Consequence » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:19 pm

Trying to figure out how to swing Dragic to Washington and get Bryant and some other salary back. I know he’s hurt to start the year but they just got Harrell to do the same things he does.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1398 » by alan_156 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:27 pm

Bench scoring and another decent big needs to be our priority. Clearly with committing the majority of the MLE in Birch he will be our starting 5, which is fine. The team desperately needs more scoring.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1399 » by Rebel INS » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:28 pm

pingpongrac wrote:
Ackshun wrote:Felt pretty strongly that we deserved to be a lottery team last year, regardless of the home court disadvantage.

Without Kyle this year, and any significant additions, I won't be surprised to see another lottery bound season.

Hopefully having Birch for the full year helps. Not sure if Wainwright, Barnes and home court advantage can add 20-25 wins.


How do you explain a 17-17 record through the first 34 games of the season then 10-28 the rest of the way though? It seemed/seems pretty clear to me that we were more in line with being a .500 (or better) team if not for COVID then blatantly tanking the last 1/3 of the season. Our record around the midway point was average, but we were trending upwards (in the midst of a 15-7 stretch) and most metrics pointed towards us being a team battling for HCA (3rd best offence in the East, 6th best offence in the East, 4th best NetRTG in East, etc.) before we lost 3 of our top 4 players for a few weeks.

It's not "adding 20-25 wins" by sheer luck to get to 45-50 wins this season. It's a combination of advantages like playing at home, an extra 10 games (back to regular 82-game season), improvement of our players, no Baynes (lol) and not blatantly tanking a large chunk of the year with a few disadvantages like losing Lowry, likely being without Siakam to start the season (or having a rusty Siakam) and the uncertainty of what the rest of our roster is going to look like as there is still nearly 2 months before training camp even begins.

People are putting way too much weight into our end-of-year record while ignoring the factors.


I honestly don't know whether or not this team is gonna be sub 500 or 40+ wins, and won't rule out the possibility of them outperforming expectations for the reasons you said, but I think people might still be underestimating the impact of losing Lowry.

I know his win shares, vorp and other 'team impact'/value type advanced stats took a big dip last year but beyond his intangibles and leadership (which I think means something, even with a solid org. culture otherwise), I think we're going to feel the loss of his half court shot creation pretty hard given how starved for that we already were. IMO its not an ideal role for FVV to fill, who I see as a more natural offball player but who knows - games aren't static and winning cultures are supposed to be about guys being able to evolve and step up as needed tbf

IF a bunch of major things go right I can see us surprising (OG taking that ultimate step forward to being efficient in isolation on high volume/usage + Siakam returning to form on usage/role he can handle, FVV evolving his game, Birch being a legitimate 30 mpg starter over a full season, Flynn taking a major step forward, Barnes being immediate positive impact and being a bit further along with his shooting/scoring than expected - at least within 10 feet)

But imo that's a lot of things that need to go right, and its more likely we have a similar year to last season - not outright abysmal, compeitive in most games, but ultimately transition into heavy 'rest' stealth tank during second half of season

TLDR: guess we gotta evaluate and see what we have
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