Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[c3luong]

I really hope they can find a trade partner for Dragic otherwise this has to be one of the worst offseasons I can ever remember.

Three years ago the plan was for max space for the 2021 offseason to target guys like Giannis or Kawhi and based on Toronto's inability to trade Lowry at the deadline they basically just gave up their capspace to help Kyle and get one fringey prospect back and a second round pick back.

They could have at least made moves before free agency if they dealt Pascal and maybe ended up with Moody and Kuminga as well, but now we are stuck in the dreaded middle. We might be a 8th or 9th place team. Yikes.

If last year was any indication we are actually very good at tanking, so I wouldn't worry too much.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I really hope they can find a trade partner for Dragic otherwise this has to be one of the worst offseasons I can ever remember.

Three years ago the plan was for max space for the 2021 offseason to target guys like Giannis or Kawhi and based on Toronto's inability to trade Lowry at the deadline they basically just gave up their capspace to help Kyle and get one fringey prospect back and a second round pick back.

They could have at least made moves before free agency if they dealt Pascal and maybe ended up with Moody and Kuminga as well, but now we are stuck in the dreaded middle. We might be a 8th or 9th place team. Yikes.

What about the one where we lost Kawhi and Danny Green and replaced them with Stanley Johnson and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

[c3luong]

Also, I'm not an expert but I don't think the plan was ever to sign Kawhi in 2021.

[Psubs]

I really hope they can find a trade partner for Dragic otherwise this has to be one of the worst offseasons I can ever remember.

Three years ago the plan was for max space for the 2021 offseason to target guys like Giannis or Kawhi and based on Toronto's inability to trade Lowry at the deadline they basically just gave up their capspace to help Kyle and get one fringey prospect back and a second round pick back.

They could have at least made moves before free agency if they dealt Pascal and maybe ended up with Moody and Kuminga as well, but now we are stuck in the dreaded middle. We might be a 8th or 9th place team. Yikes.

What about the one where we lost Kawhi and Danny Green and replaced them with Stanley Johnson and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

Then last year losing Ibaka, Marc Gasol and RHJ, replacing them with Aron Baynes, Deandre Bembry and Alex Len.

[redeye514]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Yep - thats my depth chart as well.

I've done a 180 on Dragic.. going from 'theres no way we will keep him' to 'he actually checks the boxes for the Raps need, keep him!'

The guy is a crafty ball handler / offense initiator, can score for himself and has range. This is exactly what our current roster needs, so why move him unless Masai can get a younger piece that he likes / wants to invest in? If that piece dopesnt exist, then role with Dragic for a year, evaluate the roster, and see what next off season brings for tinkering.

Keeping Dragic for one year is not a horrible situation and can actually lead to some positive surprises. Dragic is playing for a contract after all, and may actually ball out... keep in mind, Dragic is a baby step removed from being the leading scorer on the Heat within their Finals run. Whos to say he cant be a 18/5/4 guy with us in his contract year, while offering some veteran leadership along the way? Heck, If Goran really balls light out, I can see Masai wanting to keep on a 2 year extension.. he is kinds a slightly worse Lowry.

Ah yes, Gary Trent Jr, the 54M dollar, 22 year old bench player.

There are many examples of a teams 6th man earning approx double the MLE. It aint that weird.. or you just hurt at GTJ's bag vs. yours?

[MixxSRC]

ok here we go

any minute now

[c3luong]

Yep - thats my depth chart as well.

I've done a 180 on Dragic.. going from 'theres no way we will keep him' to 'he actually checks the boxes for the Raps need, keep him!'

The guy is a crafty ball handler / offense initiator, can score for himself and has range. This is exactly what our current roster needs, so why move him unless Masai can get a younger piece that he likes / wants to invest in? If that piece dopesnt exist, then role with Dragic for a year, evaluate the roster, and see what next off season brings for tinkering.

Keeping Dragic for one year is not a horrible situation and can actually lead to some positive surprises. Dragic is playing for a contract after all, and may actually ball out... keep in mind, Dragic is a baby step removed from being the leading scorer on the Heat within their Finals run. Whos to say he cant be a 18/5/4 guy with us in his contract year, while offering some veteran leadership along the way? Heck, If Goran really balls light out, I can see Masai wanting to keep on a 2 year extension.. he is kinds a slightly worse Lowry.

Ah yes, Gary Trent Jr, the 54M dollar, 22 year old bench player.

There are many examples of a teams 6th man earning approx double the MLE. It aint that weird.. or you just hurt at GTJ's bag vs. yours?

Do you want to do a sig bet that Gary Trent Jr will start more games than Dragic this season?

[VanWest82]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Dragic is an old 35 and was a bench player the last two years. I just can't see him starting and staying healthy in an 82 game season. Maybe if we make the playoffs.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I really hope they can find a trade partner for Dragic otherwise this has to be one of the worst offseasons I can ever remember.

Three years ago the plan was for max space for the 2021 offseason to target guys like Giannis or Kawhi and based on Toronto's inability to trade Lowry at the deadline they basically just gave up their capspace to help Kyle and get one fringey prospect back and a second round pick back.

They could have at least made moves before free agency if they dealt Pascal and maybe ended up with Moody and Kuminga as well, but now we are stuck in the dreaded middle. We might be a 8th or 9th place team. Yikes.

What about the one where we lost Kawhi and Danny Green and replaced them with Stanley Johnson and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

Then last year losing Ibaka, Marc Gasol and RHJ, replacing them with Aron Baynes, Deandre Bembry and Alex Len.

You'd think by now that fans would realize that this FO does very little in the FA market, and when they did (the Carroll/CoJo year), it was a mistake.

They usually retain their guys, people freak out about the overpay and leverage. It doesn't end up mattering at all. And then they'll find some low end rotation players.

[redeye514]

Ah yes, Gary Trent Jr, the 54M dollar, 22 year old bench player.

There are many examples of a teams 6th man earning approx double the MLE. It aint that weird.. or you just hurt at GTJ's bag vs. yours?

Do you want to do a sig bet that Gary Trent Jr will start more games than Dragic this season?

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

[redeye514]

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[MavCarter]

Moratorium lifts at 6

[douggood]

There are many examples of a teams 6th man earning approx double the MLE. It aint that weird.. or you just hurt at GTJ's bag vs. yours?

Do you want to do a sig bet that Gary Trent Jr will start more games than Dragic this season?

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

before betting go check stats; dragic hasnt been a full time starter for 3 years now.

[c3luong]

There are many examples of a teams 6th man earning approx double the MLE. It aint that weird.. or you just hurt at GTJ's bag vs. yours?

Do you want to do a sig bet that Gary Trent Jr will start more games than Dragic this season?

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

I'm just implying that it's absurd that you would pay a 23 year old 54 million dollars and then play him behind a 34 year old mediocre player on a fringe playoff team.

[c3luong]

For the record, I don't hate keeping Dragic but if that is the case there is no way we play him more than our young guys.

[redeye514]

Do you want to do a sig bet that Gary Trent Jr will start more games than Dragic this season?

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

before betting go check stats; dragic hasnt been a full time starter for 3 years now.

Its ok, I've bet on worse. It's all fun. My sig needs to be updated anyways, crazy Marbury has run its course.

[WuTang_CMB]

Moratorium lifts at 6

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[douggood]

Moratorium lifts at 6

12

looks like 6

Read on Twitter

but some teams have started making moves official

https://www.nba.com/suns/suns-acquire-landry-shamet-brooklyn

[dkb9696]

Moratorium lifts at 6

Does that mean the details of the trade will not come out until this evening then?

[c3luong]

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

before betting go check stats; dragic hasnt been a full time starter for 3 years now.

Its ok, I've bet on worse. It's all fun. My sig needs to be updated anyways, crazy Marbury has run its course.

I don't actually think Dragic is coming back and going to play for us so too lazy to actually track the bet on the off chance he does. But if you can remember to hit me up if he actually lands here we can do it.