Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[dhackett1565]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

This is very doable, except that Chicago might want more compensation for allowing us to get Markkanen.

I'm not sure he fits what the Raptors are looking for, as well.

[biblast]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

This is very doable, except that Chicago might want more compensation for allowing us to get Markkanen.

I'm not sure he fits what the Raptors are looking for, as well.

I'd miss Slim Dick but I'd be happy to have Markkannen, he looks like a promising young C.
BUT asking for a trade publicly this early in his career reflects bad on him! So I don't know how it will affect his stock going forward

[Courtside]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

This is very doable, except that Chicago might want more compensation for allowing us to get Markkanen.

I'm not sure he fits what the Raptors are looking for, as well.

Markkanen is NOT worth $25 mil a year. He's probably not worth more than a 3/$50 type deal.

I really don't think the Raptors want a poor rebounding, poor defense C getting any time in the middle. Sure he can score, but the last few years have seen the team really focus in on 2-way players who are not liabilities on D. Sure, some miscast bench players may have fit that bill, but they're gone now. Lauri shies away from any kind of contact and gets bullied by smaller players - that kind of thing doesn't fly here, and I doubt they want to commit long term money for him (since a S&T has to be 3+ years).

[Dalek]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

This is very doable, except that Chicago might want more compensation for allowing us to get Markkanen.

I'm not sure he fits what the Raptors are looking for, as well.

Markannen is not our typical player, but he could work if we surround him with good defenders. I think Toronto needs a floor spreader to help Siakam operate and Markannen would work.

I think Boucher would be a good fit for the Bulls, but I would move Precious and/or the Miami 2nd rounder on to compensate them for Markannen.

[CANsportsguru]

They wont go after markenen hes soft and cant defend

The 5 position is is set with Birch and Achiuwa splitting minutes. Gilliespie will be the 3rd stringer but likely will play majority of games in g league.

He's softer than Charmin. Definitely don't want Markenen on the team.

[Dalek]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

This is very doable, except that Chicago might want more compensation for allowing us to get Markkanen.

I'm not sure he fits what the Raptors are looking for, as well.

Markkanen is NOT worth $25 mil a year. He's probably not worth more than a 3/$50 type deal.

I really don't think the Raptors want a poor rebounding, poor defense C getting any time in the middle. Sure he can score, but the last few years have seen the team really focus in on 2-way players who are not liabilities on D. Sure, some miscast bench players may have fit that bill, but they're gone now. Lauri shies away from any kind of contact and gets bullied by smaller players - that kind of thing doesn't fly here, and I doubt they want to commit long term money for him (since a S&T has to be 3+ years).

I think you are probably right, but I think he probably values himself in that $20-$25m range. John Collins kind of set a high bar for strength bigs after signing his $125m deal.

Hollinger rated Markannen as a mid-level guy and did have this to say:

Markkanen is a minus defender and doesn’t rebound nearly enough for a player of his height, but despite those deficiencies, there’s a lot to like. He’s a potent inside-outside threat who hit 40.2 percent of his 3s last season and nailed 58.2 percent of his shots inside the arc, pouring in 25.6 points per 100 possessions overall.

https://theathletic.com/2719341/2021/08/02/john-hollingers-2021-nba-free-agency-power-forward-rankings-by-bord-whats-left-after-john-collins/

So he doesn't block shots like Boucher, but he is a dynamic scorer. I like him because if we decide to move on from Siakam we have a decent back-up plan going forward.

[Asif16]

Markonnen doesn't seem like a Raptors player at all.

If there's an RFA out there that fits the Raptors...it's probably Josh Hart

[Courtside]

Markonnen doesn't seem like a Raptors player at all.

If there's an RFA out there that fits the Raptors...it's probably Josh Hart

I looked into Hart a bit... surprised he averaged 8 rebs a game last year. That's really the only thing he is elite at, though... everything else is pretty meh for a SG. Probably worth a 3 yr MLE type contract, which we could do if it's Dragic going out, but Goran is likely worth more to us as a backup combo guard who a few teams can use, or if he stays is going to expire. We'd want a pick added but the Pels would would be absorbing decent salary and say no to that.

I was thinking maybe Dragic and Boucher for Jonas and Hart (structured as two separate deals), but they really need JV to man the middle for them.

[Dalek]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

Markkanen is BYC so he is only worth 1/2 of his salary when matching a trade. Which makes this illegal

I guess my personal pipe dream is dead.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

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[dhackett1565]

BYC compensation can be overcome by adding more pieces and with so many SnT deals going on for Chicago there's probably a way to make it work.

The bigger hurdle is the Raps likely having zero interest.

[LoveMyRaps]

It's official: Lowry for Dragic + Achiuwa

[SurgeIblocka]

It's official: Lowry for Dragic + Achiuwa

So not even a second rounder, thats pretty trash

[canada_dry]

Nope. Absolutely nothing. 0 extra assets. Days of negotiations for what? Lol

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[Appostis]

Nope. Absolutely nothing. 0 extra assets. Days of negotiations for what? Lol

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Days?

They couldn't announce anything until today. Deal could of been done day 1 and we still wouldn't have details until today. Signings could not be official until today.

[Federalies]

I don't know if there's any truth to that. It's a possible explanation why details haven't leaked on the trade - that is, the details weren't finalized so there was nothing to leak. However, it is also possible that the teams are just good at not leaking when they don't want to.

Should we assume you’re prepping an updated “Salary Breakdown” for the team once all the pieces are clarified?

LOL I just wrote it this morning, now just need to see the deal so I can plug in actual facts instead of assumptions.

We’ll, there’s a man of his word! Great job as always!


https://www.raptorshq.com/2021/8/7/22612915/nba-free-agency-2021-toronto-raptors-post-lowry-trade-salary-cap-update