Welcome Justise Winslow

[KL2]

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[Kobewade11]

Heat fan checking in..if you guys can get him back into this form he could be a valuable role player. Your assistant HC Dan Craig was on our staff at the time, so there's some familiarity.

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[Bobbymcgee]

My guess is he gets a lot of playing time next season due to Leonard most likely being out for the season and then he will be a decent back-up to Leonard the following season.

[TheNewEra]

Good low risk signing that can have some big games if he can get healthy. Not quite sure where he fits in the rotation and if he’s a every game player but the vets will get banged up and that will be his time to shine.

Beverly/Rondo/Preston
Jackson/Kennard/Johnson/Scrubb
George/Mann/Coffey/Leonard
Morris/Batum/Winslow/Boston Jr
Ibaka/Zubac/Oturu

Not even sure if that’s the rotation because they may try to conserve Rondo until something possibly happens with Beverly

[TheNewEra]

My guess is he gets a lot of playing time next season due to Leonard most likely being out for the season and then he will be a decent back-up to Leonard the following season.

I’m guessing Paul George will slide to SF this season but you don’t see Mann getting the bulk of those backup minutes?

[donemilio21]

Great signing. I was hoping we could pick him up. Low Risk / High Reward signing for us.

[TheNewEra]

Heat fan checking in..if you guys can get him back into this form he could be a valuable role player. Your assistant HC Dan Craig was on our staff at the time, so there's some familiarity.

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Dan Craig should be useful getting him back into form

[esqtvd]

some upside I guess but his numbers last year made Austin Rivers look like Dame Lillard

negative win share, eFG 38%, 18.5% from 3

[KL2]

I’m guessing Paul George will slide to SF this season but you don’t see Mann getting the bulk of those backup minutes?

I’m thinking Bev will go to the bench again.

Zu/Morris/Mann/George/Jackson
Ibaka/Nico/Winslow/Kennard/Bev

When Leonard returns, this year or next, Mann will take either Winslow’s or Kennard’s spot in the rotation.

[TheNewEra]

I’m guessing Paul George will slide to SF this season but you don’t see Mann getting the bulk of those backup minutes?

I’m thinking Bev will go to the bench again.

Zu/Morris/Mann/George/Jackson
Ibaka/Nico/Winslow/Kennard/Bev

When Leonard returns, this year or next, Mann will take either Winslow’s or Kennard’s spot in the rotation.

Rondo is motivational speaker?

Also hope we do find a way to get Keon Johnson some kind of consistent role. Makes sense for the other two rooks to fall back but he was a lottery projected talent.

[KL2]

Rondo is motivational speaker?

Also hope we do find a way to get Keon Johnson some kind of consistent role. Makes sense for the other two rooks to fall back but he was a lottery projected talent.

Shhhh. I’m trying to pretend Rondo isn’t on the team. If he’s playing we’re in trouble. I see them keeping him around to be a coach to the young guys though.

If we’re staying pat, and it appears that’s the case, I too hope they let the young guys play through the ups and downs. If there was a year for it it’s this one.

[TheNewEra]

Rondo is motivational speaker?

Also hope we do find a way to get Keon Johnson some kind of consistent role. Makes sense for the other two rooks to fall back but he was a lottery projected talent.

Shhhh. I’m trying to pretend Rondo isn’t on the team. If he’s playing we’re in trouble. I see them keeping him around to be a coach to the young guys though.

If we’re staying pat, and it appears that’s the case, I too hope they let the young guys play through the ups and downs. If there was a year for it it’s this one.

Well we all know at some point unfortunately Beverly will miss a chunk of games so that should open up things

[og15]

He has a lot of skills (master of none), but a lot of injuries and has been an inefficient player through his career.

Despite that, he's a good low cost pickup to try and find a role that fits and gets more out of him. Health of course will be his biggest battle.

[TrueLAfan]

It’s a brilliant signing, IMO. I’ve been pushing it, so of course I’d say that.

The reason we were able to get Winslow is because he’s coming of injuries; he’s an often injured player. The question is whether the injuries are/were chronic. He had a torn labrum in 2017; that’s repairable. And he came back with a good season in 2018 and a great one in 2019. A true 3 and D guy that can guard multiple positions—and run an offense in a pinch to boot? Sign me up. He was 22 in 2019 and averaged about 13-5-4.

The question, like I said, is, how much he’ll come back form the back and injury and hip replacement surgery. Hip replacement surgery is a true year of rehab; Winslow was out for 13 months. He’d missed almost all of the season before that, so the rust was considerable.

some upside I guess but his numbers last year made Austin Rivers look like Dame Lillard

negative win share, eFG 38%, 18.5% from 3

Like I said, considerable. But you have to look a little deeper. He strained his quadriceps and went out again after playing 14 games. He looked like crap in the first games, and in the games before and after the quads strain. But he had flashes that reminded you in there too. I was in Denver in March and watched the Memphis/Denver game. His three point form was bad; his mechanics are simple off now. He’ll have to relearn that—no joke. But his motor was great, and he played a Justise Winslow type game; 6 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, solid D. Here are the game highlights—check out his ballhandling and the look off assist about 15 seconds into the highlights.

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You can’t coach that. That’s some innate skill. He showed that in other games last season. And that ballhandling and size; Winslow is 6’6” and thick at 225, with a 6’10.5” wingspan. He boxes out well, plays off screens well … look, there’s a reason why he was a #10 pick. And at the time, the NBA wasn’t as vested in player like him—multi=positional role players. Winslow was more of a Unicorn back then. He’s still got a rare combination of skills. He’ll figure out a way to help you.

If he had not been injured, if he continued to develop normally—he’d be a $20 million player. He was practically there two years ago. Injuries robbed him of that. But he’s still only 25 and he works his ass off. He’s the character guy we talk about. Do I want to bet on him regaining his 2019 form? N-n- … maybe not. But maybe so. He had no history of back trouble, and hasn’t had a flare since he recovered. The hip injury was described as a “freak” accident—not a long term, chronic issue. You look at what Justise Winslow could bring—not if he improves by leaps and bound, not if he takes a few steps forward—just by playing as he had been and staying healthy. This is the kind of risk you take because the payout is considerable. He plays all out, all the time.

[esqtvd]

It’s a brilliant signing, IMO. I’ve been pushing it, so of course I’d say that.

The reason we were able to get Winslow is because he’s coming of injuries; he’s often injured player. The question is whether the injuries are/were chronic. He had a torn labrum in 2017; that’s repairable. And he came back with a good season in 2018 and a great one in 2019. A true 3 and D guy that can guard multiple positions—and run an offense in a pinch to boot? Sign me up. He was 22 in 2019 and averaged about 13-5-4.

The question, like I said, is, how much he’ll come back form the back and injury and hip replacement surgery. Hip replacement surgery is a true year of rehab; Winslow was out for 13 months. He’d missed almost all of the season before that, so the rust was considerable.

some upside I guess but his numbers last year made Austin Rivers look like Dame Lillard

negative win share, eFG 38%, 18.5% from 3

Like I said, considerable. But you have to look a little deeper. He strained his quadriceps and went out again after playing 14 games. He looked like crap in the first games, and in the games before and after the quads strain. But he had flashes that reminded you in there too. I was in Denver in March and watched the Memphis/Denver game. His three point form was bad; his mechanics are simple off now. He’ll have to relearn that—no joke. But his motor was great, and he played a Justise Winslow type game; 6 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, solid D. Here are the game highlights—check out his ballhandling and the look off assist about 15 seconds into the highlights.

Watch on YouTube

You can’t coach that. That’s some innate skill. He sowed that in other games last season. And that ballhandling and size; Winslow is 6’6” and thick at 225, with a 6’10.5” wingspan. He boxes out well, plays off screens well … look, there’s a reason why he was a #10 pick. And at the time, the NBA wasn’t as vested in player like him—multi=positional role players. Winslow was more of a Unicorn back then. He’s still got a rare combination of skills. He’ll figure out a way to help you.

If he had not been injured, if he continued to develop normally—he’d be a $20 million player. He was practically there two years ago. Injuries robbed him of that. But he’s still only 25 and he works his ass off. He’s the character guy we talk about. Do I want to bet on him regaining his 2019 form? N-n- … maybe not. But maybe so. He had no history of back trouble, and hasn’t had a flare since he recovered. The hip injury was described as a “freak” accident—not a long term, chronic issue. You look at what Justise Winslow could bring—not if he improves by leaps and bound, not if he takes a few steps forward—just by playing as he had been and staying healthy. This is the kind of risk you take because the payout is considerable. He plays all out, all the time.

His BEST year was 13/5/4 in 29 mpg. Marcus Morris numbers. I don't hate it but not wowed.

[MartinToVaught]

This is a worthwhile signing on paper, but when he's already super injury-prone, I don't have much faith in our medical staff to alleviate that.

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[TrueLAfan]

His BEST year was 13/5/4 in 29 mpg. Marcus Morris numbers. I don't hate it but not wowed.

Well, kinda. Except Mook was a SF/PF that has become a PF/C—and Winslow is a SG/SF who can play at PF—and is still a better rebounder even though he plays at smaller positions. Winslow is also a much better passer. Despite the reduced minutes in injury comebacks, he’s a legit 4+ a game assist man when he gets minutes. Mook has never been over 2.5. And while 12.5-5.5-4.5 in 30 mpg isn’t star level, it’s very good when you get it with 38 percent three point shooting and excellent D at multiple positions. Winslow came into the NBA at 19 and had a shoulder injury and wasn’t ready. Then Spoelstra figured it out—use him like a Swiss Army Knife. He can guard most PFs with his bulk and wingspan. He can run the second unit offense if he has to. He can outmuscle most SFs because, well, he’s a strong guy. He’s an all floorburn guy with terrific basketball instincts, Players like that find ways to contribute to success

And here’s the kicker that’s getting missed. He’s still young. Justise Winslow is 25. He was still developing at 22 when he knocked off 12.5-5.5-4.5. At 22, Mook was helpless. It’s easy to say “Well, yeah, but Winslow has missed most of the last two seasons.” And that’s true—and it’s how he’s available now. Hell, like I said in the other thread, if he hadn’t been injured and played 60-65 games a year and only improved incrementally in the last two years, he’d be a $15-20 million player. It’s Moneyball. He’s available because of injuries. His numbers dropped because of injuries. The question is—is the drop, and are the injuries, permanent? The likelihood of that, IMO, is no. So how far back will he come?

Well, he’s a gym rat and a hard worker. His rehab was affected by Covid. His injuries were non-repetitive stress and aren’t likely to be repeated. And his game is multi-faceted enough so that if some part of his play is slower to come back, the other parts will keep him useful. Woj thinks it's a great move and reports that Winslow is healthy and ready to play; Azarly wrote this in Clipper Nation

https://clutchpoints.com/4-things-justice-winslow-immediately-brings-to-kawhi-less-clippers/

I'm thinking 1200-1500 minutes of increasingly better play during the season.

[nickhx2]

glad someone here's kept up with him, because i know i certainly haven't

i remember watching clips of him in his rookie season showing some incredible defensive flash. and going "man, if only we could have HIM on the team."

some years later i'd wondered what became of a guy that i thought would be a DPOY type guy. and i came to learn he was learning how to play some point guard (which i found pretty odd). but still i felt like yeah, we could use a guy like that still.

fast forward to now and honestly, for all the MLE type guys out there, he was still the one that i thought would help us the most. just a guy who can do some of everything, and at worst he'll be a strong, versatile defender who will help facilitate the ball. who better to have him learn behind than batum? really pleased with this pickup.

[TheNewEra]

Should be a lot of fun smack talking in camp.