[Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted

[mtcan]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

[Courtside]

Have we gotten any indications Dragic even wants to play in Toronto? Last I heard he hadn't even been contacted by the Raptors.

It's clear he wants to play in a specific situation so I don't imagine he would be thrilled sticking around for a few months when both sides don't really want each other.

Does that matter?

No.

If he doesn't want to play in Toronto it means he pulls what Iguodala did in Memphis or he gets bought out so it does matter.

Not wanting to be here as his first choice is not the same as pulling an Igoudala. You know that the Grizz never expected Iggy to show up and the deal was done that way on purpose, but you just have to find a way to paint this out to the worst possible case in order to push your anti-Masai agenda.

[Appostis]

2yr deals are the new expiring because as soon as the season is up, there will be a market for an expiring contract.

But I get the hold up for not wanting to take the Powell contract

18-20 million expiring this year vs 11 million on the books next year.

Team already has a expiring to use as a trade chip in Dragic.

[DangerZone13]

I'd bet they've already agreed on a deal, but Masai is going to hold on to Dragic for 60 days to get extra compensation from Miami (which they're desperately trying to avoid, hence the wait) and then will flip him to Dallas once Dragic and Brown become tradeable. They just have to leak this so Miami is still obligated. Expect a trade on Sept. 5th or so. Still gives the acquisitions time to acclimate before the season starts.

[Rapsfan07]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

As far as I know, there are no teams in the league with a TPE or capspace big enough to absorb Dragic outright. This means that we'd be taking back salary in any Dragic trade and Masai is going to demand compensation for doing so, which is absolutely correct.

Dragic still has game and is expiring. That could be very valuable to a team at the deadline. Plus, we're actually a little thin at the guard spot. Could be mutually beneficial to have him actually play for us. He gets to showcase his talent for his last deal and we get a little more value at the deadline.

Masai is playing this right. No need to rush into a bad trade right now. Whether teams want him for the salary relief, his skills or both, they're going to need to pay.

[Appostis]

Have we gotten any indications Dragic even wants to play in Toronto? Last I heard he hadn't even been contacted by the Raptors.

It's clear he wants to play in a specific situation so I don't imagine he would be thrilled sticking around for a few months when both sides don't really want each other.

Does that matter?

No.

If he doesn't want to play in Toronto it means he pulls what Iguodala did in Memphis or he gets bought out so it does matter.

So he sits at home as a mid season trade asset instead of adding some back court depth. He'll still have value as a expiring contract even if he sits out all season long.

Powell comes with another year of 10 million salary being tied up. Look at the deals being signed for 10 or less million. (Birch for example)

It doesn't matter what he wants. He's a asset.

[dagger]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

As far as I know, there are no teams in the league with a TPE or capspace big enough to absorb Dragic outright. This means that we'd be taking back salary in any Dragic trade and Masai is going to demand compensation for doing so, which is absolutely correct.

I don't think it matters. Knocking all of Dragic's salary won't do anything for us except maybe let us use the biennial exception. The issue has to be what contracts we take back, are the players worth taking back (i.e. fair value for Dragic) and are their contracts reasonable? The Powell second year might be an issue.

[WuTang_CMB]

Stop derailing thread making sht up saying Dragic doesnt want to come to Toronto. 100% he's reporting and playing if we keep him. Wtf is this.

Fried.

[Apz]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

But they didnt. Imagine what raptors would have had to pay if mavs wojld have had to give up thj just to be able to eat dragics contract. The tears on these boards for the lost 1sts would drown a small country

[mtcan]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

But they didnt. Imagine what raptors would have had to pay if mavs wojld have had to give up thj just to be able to eat dragics contract. The tears on these boards for the lost 1sts would drown a small country

Mavs have THJ's bird rights and so could resign regardless of the cap. It's the other signings. Meh...it is what it is. It doesn't matter.

[douggood]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

But they didnt. Imagine what raptors would have had to pay if mavs wojld have had to give up thj just to be able to eat dragics contract. The tears on these boards for the lost 1sts would drown a small country

Mavs have THJ's bird rights and so could resign regardless of the cap. It's the other signings. Meh...it is what it is. It doesn't matter.

they could not have gotten dragic into cap space AND also signed THJ

it does matter, because THJ isnt official yet(in terms of processing with HQ), non the less its not possible

[Federalies]

I found this conversation quite interesting from the “Locked on Mavs Channel “ with our own Raps Locked on guy!

In short, the Mavs dude sees this trade almost as a must for Dallas and that “in the end” he wouldn’t be surprised if they accept a deal with both Green and Terry coming back with Powell as salary ballast!

Watch on YouTube

[Rapsalot]

No way I let him stay home or buyout. He is a valuable PG to Combo definitely very good backup and can start in pinch see last to playoff runs for Miami.

Burke, Brown and Kilber + trade exception from Josh R = Dragic where they work out 2 year extension for less money in year 2-3 so they get more value and we get value of him.
We get longer C and maybe he can start after he learns system. Kilber OK as bench big from 3 and Burke decent 3rd PG that maybe we can trade later for bigger PG to be more supportive of FVV and MF but D Johnson may fit that with time although I think he could be good handling and passing backup SG too.

[WuTang_CMB]

+4 wingspan on josh green

Strengths: 6’6 scoring guard … Great length with a 6’10.25 wingspan and 8’7.5 standing reach … High-level athlete … Gets up and makes plays above the rim, especially strong going off one foot. Good body control … Can hit difficult layups in traffic … Quick in the open floor. Good in transition as a passer and finisher … Shoots well from outside with good arc and mechanics. Very good corner three-point shooter off the catch … Employs an effective floater … Good slashing ability … Finished fifth in scoring over the Under Armour Association with 20.3 points per game while shooting a third best 57.3% FG% in 2018 … Smooth. Light on his feet and good quickness … Defends well on and off the ball, giving consistent effort. Finished in the top five in steals over the Under Armour Association with 2.1 per game in 2018 … Solid ballhandler and has improved throughout high school. Projects to serve a secondary ballhandler at next levels … Changes direction well in the open floor … Solid feel. Alert and makes passes on the move… Drives and kicks to the open man … Spaces the floor. Can play on or off the ball … Good rebounder for position … Strong build … Unselfish, scores well but doesn’t force his impact and plays within himself …

Weaknesses: Favors driving to his right, and should look to become stronger using his left … Relies on his first step to beat the defense, doesn’t have a lot of creativity or elusiveness with his dribbling in the half-court … Good floater but can improve his midrange game … Generally, demonstrates his athleticism in the open floor but doesn’t implement it as much in the half-court where he tends to be more of a catch and shooter … Tends to look for threes or getting all the way to the rim and his midrange game still needs to be expanded … Pull up shooting needs work. Most of his threes come off the catch, must improve upon his shooting off the dribble … Averaged just 2.5 assists to 2.9 turnovers per game over the Under Armour Association in 2018, illustrating his need to improve upon his ball protection. Leaves his feet to make passes … Poor free throw shooter. Only shot 59.1% FT% over the Under Armour Association in 2018 … Good all-around but doesn’t have a specific area where he provides top shelf ability or separates himself …

[Apz]

Too bad the Mavs went out on a shopping spree and couldn't wait on us to absorb Dragic into their cap. Now they have no space and no means of making a trade with us that would otherwise compromise our own cap situation.

Any other teams that have space that could otherwise be talked into playing along to redirect salary to?

But they didnt. Imagine what raptors would have had to pay if mavs wojld have had to give up thj just to be able to eat dragics contract. The tears on these boards for the lost 1sts would drown a small country

Mavs have THJ's bird rights and so could resign regardless of the cap. It's the other signings. Meh...it is what it is. It doesn't matter.

So many that doesnt know how things work. THJs caphold were 28m, so mavs had no money until they signed him

[Apz]

No way I let him stay home or buyout. He is a valuable PG to Combo definitely very good backup and can start in pinch see last to playoff runs for Miami.

Burke, Brown and Kilber + trade exception from Josh R = Dragic where they work out 2 year extension for less money in year 2-3 so they get more value and we get value of him.
We get longer C and maybe he can start after he learns system. Kilber OK as bench big from 3 and Burke decent 3rd PG that maybe we can trade later for bigger PG to be more supportive of FVV and MF but D Johnson may fit that with time although I think he could be good handling and passing backup SG too.

And another one. U cant combine the tpe with players to take in a bigger salary. It must always fit in the toe. And ofc, mavs would never trade kleber for dragic

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Bruin]

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[Courtside]

There isn't a single player on the Mavs roster that the Raptors genuinely want.

Powell runs an extra year, which they don't want, but could possibly agree to with the right grease/sweetener. But between Burke, WCS, DFS, Green, or Terry, not a single one (or even pair) of them makes much sense and wouldn't be enticement enough for the extra year of Powell.

Toronto probably wants either a pick, or for Dallas to make some other trade to find a player we'd be willing to take. Some beat guy or national reporter should probably ask around if Dallas has beating the bushes for a smaller trade or not, as that would be a strong clue as to what is happening (or not).